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What? When have I ever used stat sheets to judge defensive linemen, especially at tackle?
Your Mongo point is laughable. Hamp was the best player on that D line by a country mile.
What? When have I ever used stat sheets to judge defensive linemen, especially at tackle?
Your Mongo point is laughable. Hamp was the best player on that D line by a country mile.
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I would pencil in Brandon Marshall at wr1 of course, then at wr2 I would put Marty Booker. I like watching Booker play, he made some unbelievable catches. He was really good.
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Sure is 'Mick..Unless it's a NT, I'm not hearin' the stats don't matter bullshit..Mongo was just as disruptive on the interior. Since when was a part time DT that spent most of his time at LDE when Perry was drafted the motor in any system? Dent was the best DE on that line far & away & considered by many to be one of the best DE's ever. Most athletic/most productive, get over you sentimental love for your "great white hype" LDE.
It's amazing how Sacks, TFL's & Solo Tackles are suddenly useless in a system all about getting to the QB. Not to mention Dent had more forced fumbles & INTs. Not that they matter at all. Holy shit.
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You can Add Long to Every position Offense and Defense.
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Imagine Hampton and a healthy Tommie Harris together on passing downs... Probably wouldn't even need DEs, lol.
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Not bad, not bad at all. For as much shit as you stir up on these boards, that's actually a pretty damn good list.
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Would it really have mattered?, they never won anything with Sayers...nice highlight films but no ring.
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I stand by my tom waddle and brad muster posts from earlier aint saying they deserve to be on the list but they should be mentioned in the making of it at least both were great bears. don't care if mean ole sparty don't agree
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Great list, though I would move some of those old players around who played on both sides of the ball. I would have Stan Jones at DT because he was such a huge part of that '63 championship team, George Connor at LB, Bulldog Turner at C. I would also add a K George Blanda, P Billy Joe Green, and KR/PR Gale Sayers.
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This conversation seems to have gone from "best Bears team of all time" to "Let me show off my old school knowledge by naming as many obscure players from the black and white days as I can".
Admittedly I'm not old enough to have watched the Bears prior to the 80s team, but I refuse to believe that ALL of these old linemen were better than Covert, Bortz, Hilgenberg, Thayer and Van Horne.
In truth, backups in today's NFL would beat the snot out of any all star NFL team from the 40s/50s/60s in their prime, but even with sticking to the logic of comparing players based on their own eras, there's no way that the all time team is THAT dominated by old players.
Obviously though, I have no way of proving that Gary Fencick and Mike Brown were better than Rosey Taylor, but I highly suspect it's the case, and I highly suspect that at least half a dozen of these old obscure names should be removed from any such list.
Modern football players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old bad players.
And let's be honest, compared to today's NFL, that's what these players are/were - old and bad.
Admittedly I'm not old enough to have watched the Bears prior to the 80s team, but I refuse to believe that ALL of these old linemen were better than Covert, Bortz, Hilgenberg, Thayer and Van Horne.
In truth, backups in today's NFL would beat the snot out of any all star NFL team from the 40s/50s/60s in their prime, but even with sticking to the logic of comparing players based on their own eras, there's no way that the all time team is THAT dominated by old players.
Obviously though, I have no way of proving that Gary Fencick and Mike Brown were better than Rosey Taylor, but I highly suspect it's the case, and I highly suspect that at least half a dozen of these old obscure names should be removed from any such list.
Modern football players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old bad players.
And let's be honest, compared to today's NFL, that's what these players are/were - old and bad.
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I don't know, I was mainly trolling. I wasn't born when most of these players played so I honestly couldn't say. I do think a lot of people have a habit of assuming that things from the old days were always better, though. Nostalgia, like patriotism, is a symptom of human weakness.
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It's the same argument young guys have when comparing Lebron to MJ. They keep saying that the NBA today is more athletic than the NBA of Jordan's era. While this may be true, it doesn't necessarily mean that Lebron is better than MJ.
The point of this thread is to bring up obscure names from Bears' history who may not get the name recognition of a Payton or a Butkus. I believe the goal was achieved with contributions from Rory and a couple of other guys. I myself only started following the Bears seriously for the last 10 years. I didn't get the privilege of watching the older guys play.
With that said, I hope we can keep this thread alive as somewhat of a shrine to those who have come before. Articles and videos of past greats would be enlightening.
The point of this thread is to bring up obscure names from Bears' history who may not get the name recognition of a Payton or a Butkus. I believe the goal was achieved with contributions from Rory and a couple of other guys. I myself only started following the Bears seriously for the last 10 years. I didn't get the privilege of watching the older guys play.
With that said, I hope we can keep this thread alive as somewhat of a shrine to those who have come before. Articles and videos of past greats would be enlightening.
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I don't care much about the old timers either. In my eyes, they were more pioneers than anything. There was also so few teams and the competition was weak cause you'd have 3 or 4 teams that were way better than all the rest.
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