So you're telling me...for a sure fact..if Melo were traded here, he would average exactly the same ppg that he did in Denver. You're absolutely positively sure he can do that? You're absolutely sure he'll mesh with our style of play, our coach, our franchise, JR? The local media? You know that for a fact?
That is pretty stupid logic. There is absolutely no reason to believe that his abilities and overall contributions will change by any significant amount (positive or negative)
and that said change will be expressly
because of some factor he faces with the Bulls that he didn't in Denver.
This is akin to saying "well, you don't know for a fact that he
won't get hit by a bus after arriving in Chicago, so you don't know for a fact that he will put up those numbers." It's completely and utterly stupid to say that.
Absolutely NOTHING is a given in this league. Facts dont occur until after they actually occur. Melo has not played one second with the Bulls, so there are no facts he would do this or that, its merely an opinion based on some facts you're using with what he did in Denver.
Oh please, this is the same kind of bullshit logic that I just debunked above. There is no reason to believe there would be any significant change, as Melo has demonstrated his PPG per 36 minutes to be repeatable:
Melo's PPG per 36 in seasons beginning in even-numbered years: 24.17
Melo's PPG per 36 in seasons beginning in odd-numbered years: 24.7
To shun what he
has done simply because he hasn't done the same in a different setting or in the next season (even though he has shown his abilities to be repeatable and not just the result of a run of luck), is just homeristic, simplistic bullshit.
I remember everyone saying all these great things Ben Wallace would do when he came in here. How did that turn out?
Sample size = 1.
Oh yeah, then there's that.
but you cant tell me, the majority of Bulls fans were all saying he would lead us to the promise land and he would be the defensive player of the year, and shit like that, because you know, he was with Detroit.
What the rest of stupid Bulls fans were saying has nothing at all to do with me and what I'm saying. Nothing.
Ben Wallace did none of those things here and was out in a year and a half.
Actually, in that first year with the Bulls, Wallace did pretty much what he had been doing for the last couple of seasons. He put similar rebound and points numbers, and finished second in the NBA in Defensive Rating, and second in Defensive Win Shares. After that, he was 33 and in his 12th season in the league as a hard-nosed defensive center....what do you want from the guy? He in no way compares to an elite-scoring forward who is 26 years old.
Now Carmelo is light years ahead of Ben Wallace,
Yes, he is, so stop comparing the two situations! They are
completely different.
so player-wise thats not a comparison, but the situation as to what fans are getting all excited about are the same.
Please, this is a Special person way to compare two situations. Fans get excited about anything. As a group, they are as stupid and Kool-Aid drinky as Rami, here.
And where are we going to fill the hole in the middle? Dont tell me Erick Dampier please...God please dont tell me that.
Are all of you morons completely incapable of gauging how the NBA economy gauges and thus values abilities and contributors? Defense and Rebounding grow on
trees in the NBA. Big tall dopes that can grab at
least 6-7 boards per game are everywhere. Hell, you Kool-Aid drinkers routinely say that one is already on the roster in Omer Asik!
Either way, who
cares? Scoring is more important than rebounding and defense in today's NBA, and the Bulls will have an elite scorer to play alongside a budding superstar and very very good 4/5. That's a helluva lot better than the budding superstar and the 4/5 with an oft-injured, overpaid 3 and a 5 that can rebound but not score and has bad feet. Come on.
Unless Michael Jordan from 1991-1998 walks through that door....we're not winning a championship with a "good" center. Definitions of good probably differ between everyone here. Simply put, history shows teams that win Titles have shown you need a guy in the middle.
Right, because I didn't just show that offensive ability correlates the best out of other facets of the game with winning in the post-season or anything. Yeah, I
totally didn't just do that.
We know what Melo can do with the Denver Nuggets. We do not have any fact as to what so ever what Melo can do with the Chicago Bulls. We have an idea of what he can do, but there is no fact to back it up, because it simply HAS NOT HAPPENED.
Again with the stupid, bullshit logic. Ok then, let's take this to it's logical conclusion: why are star free agents being offered big contracts by other teams? Hell, why are teams offering their
own players big money to stay for a longer period of time? Those seasons haven't happened yet, and in the case of UFA's, they almost certainly haven't played for that team before, so why risk it?
Because the big skills that we think about (mainly scoring and rebounding), are
repeatable skills. It doesn't matter that the next season "hasn't happened yet", because the
best thing we have to go off of is what the player
has done (a de facto.....you guessed it....
fact). To think or say otherwise as wholeheartedly as you do really just reveals your true colors: an unwavering homer that will suck down as much of the Kool-Aid as he can find.
