Bill Walton: Don't Trade Noah For Anthony

[Diddy1122]

While I don't always agree with Walton, he makes a very good point about Noah being a winner. The kid has won at every level & he's the type of player who will give you 110% every single play, every single night regardless of his numbers. Not to mention he's the best offensive rebounder in the league. The biggest weakness of the Bulls for years was interior D. Once Noah came into his own & Taj was drafted that was no longer a problem. I'm looking at the bigger picture here, as is Walton. Noah for Melo is a sexy trade and improves the team in 1 area (scoring) while seriously setting us back in two key areas (rebounding & interior D). It's a tough choice to make & I've gone back & forth alot on this trade, but at this moment, call me crazy or whatever names you want to, I would not do that trade.

And I think it's about time for all the Noah haters to recognize how gifted a player he is & how important he is to this team.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

There were better examples to use, and I will grant you all that. I was just trying to give an example of an idiotic trade for a team giving up 2 "lesser" players for a great one. That goes against everybody's logic who are saying

'oh, Noah<<Melo so let's ship him out'

 

[houheffna]

While I don't always agree with Walton, he makes a very good point about Noah being a winner. The kid has won at every level & he's the type of player who will give you 110% every single play, every single night regardless of his numbers. Not to mention he's the best offensive rebounder in the league. The biggest weakness of the Bulls for years was interior D. Once Noah came into his own & Taj was drafted that was no longer a problem. I'm looking at the bigger picture here, as is Walton. Noah for Melo is a sexy trade and improves the team in 1 area (scoring) while seriously setting us back in two key areas (rebounding & interior D). It's a tough choice to make & I've gone back & forth alot on this trade, but at this moment, call me crazy or whatever names you want to, I would not do that trade.

And I think it's about time for all the Noah haters to recognize how gifted a player he is & how important he is to this team.

Why does a person have to be a Noah hater because they prefer Carmelo? That makes no sense...

that said, which player is the hardest to get? Which is the most rare? How many 30ppg guys are there in the league right now. That is what you, and Bill Walton has to think about...

By the way...Carmelo played one year of college ball and practically won the title by himself...he's not a winner???

 

[Lefty]

While I don't always agree with Walton, he makes a very good point about Noah being a winner. The kid has won at every level

That means absolutely nothing about his abilities as a basketball player.

& he's the type of player who will give you 110% every single play, every single night

That says even less.

regardless of his numbers.

I'd rather have the guy that gives me the numbers rather than the one that tries really hard when he doesn't. But hey, that's just me.

Not to mention he's the best offensive rebounder in the league.

Please tell me you're not raining accolades down on Noah after one fucking game this season. Please. You Kool-Aid drinkers are getting fucking ridiculous.

And if you meant last season, then fine, but while he was good last year, he was hardly the "best offensive rebounder in the league", finishing 4th in ORB% and 8th on ORBPG. Get a fucking clue and stop talking out of your ass.

I'm looking at the bigger picture here, as is Walton.

I can guarantee you that you are unable to do that, or at the very least to do that correctly.

Noah for Melo is a sexy trade and improves the team in 1 area (scoring) while seriously setting us back in two key areas (rebounding & interior D).

Wrong. Noah for Melo makes the team markedly better in the most important phase of basketball (scoring). What's more, the difference in interior D before and after the trade for Melo--Melo is a comparable defender to Deng (who is still overrated), not perfect, but comparable, and finding other sources of D in the NBA isn't that hard, at least with respect to scoring--wouldn't be nearly as large as you want to believe, or at least not large enough to preclude the Bulls being markedly fucking better in the most important phase of the motherfucking game from overcoming it. That's big picture thinking, what you're doing is just talking out of your fucking ass, there's a pretty big difference.

It's a tough choice to make & I've gone back & forth alot on this trade,

That's because you can't comprehend it all, and should thus not run your mouth like you know a goddamned thing about anything of consequence, much like Rami.

but at this moment, call me crazy or whatever names you want to, I would not do that trade.

See? That's just fucking stupid. Go away and huff Kool-Aid fumes with Rami in the corner and leave the understanding and discussing of basketball to the intelligent folks.

And I think it's about time for all the Noah haters to recognize how gifted a player he is & how important he is to this team.

From what, one fucking game? Please. Jesus fucking Christ am I sick of all you meatball Kool-Aiders on this board. I think it's approaching the hour when all you meatball moron motherfuckers need to admit that you are wholly undervaluing Carmelo motherfucking Anthony just because you don't want to see a loud, obnoxious, try-hardy guy that the team drafted dealt to get him.

 

[NealKleren]

I would trade Noah for Melo.....but to be honest right now I think Noah being traded for Melo now is somewhat dead. More dead than what it was in the summer.Like I said you try and look for ways around this to not get rid of him and also get Melo.But imo I dont think this is going to happen. Noah is here to stay and I am fine with that.

 

[PrideisBears]

Look The Bulls need another scorer and Melo would be perfect. I'm sick of Rose being the only one attacking the basket while the rest of the team sits around. Trade Noah and Deng's ass and get Melo

 

[Shakes]

I want to know what universe people are living in when they talk about Melo being the number one guy on a championship team. What the Nuggets have put around him hasn't exactly been chopped liver, and he's gotten out of the first round once.

Melo is a good player but the available evidence suggests bringing him to Chicago is unlikely to get us any closer to a championship unless we can steal him for nothing.

 

[pinkizdead]

you know he can't keep it up forever, however, 18/19 and 17/15 aren't bad stat lines. noah is playing like the second best player on this team.

 

[DewsSox79]

I want to know what universe people are living in when they talk about Melo being the number one guy on a championship team. What the Nuggets have put around him hasn't exactly been chopped liver, and he's gotten out of the first round once.

Melo is a good player but the available evidence suggests bringing him to Chicago is unlikely to get us any closer to a championship unless we can steal him for nothing.

really? i mean really?

we are talking about inserting a player with lets see, one of the best young players in d rose alongside carlos boozer, but go on with wanting to keep noah.

ask yourself this, just ask yourself once, and if you have to ask twice its ok...ARE the bulls closer to a championship with mello? or are they closer to a championship with noah? I think i am going to go with mello on this....call it a hunch.

 

[pinkizdead]

you plan on winning a championship with the second best trio out there? possibly third best if you count bryant, gasol, bynum. I'm not saying that i wouldn't do the trade, but i definitely would have to think about it.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

really? i mean really?

we are talking about inserting a player with lets see, one of the best young players in d rose alongside carlos boozer, but go on with wanting to keep noah.

ask yourself this, just ask yourself once, and if you have to ask twice its ok...ARE the bulls closer to a championship with mello? or are they closer to a championship with noah? I think i am going to go with mello on this....call it a hunch.

Honestly, that is a tough question. It can go either way.

 

[Lefty]

Honestly, that is a tough question. It can go either way.

No, it can't. You get closer to a championship with Melo, end of story. The numbers show as much.

 

[Lefty]

I want to know what universe people are living in when they talk about Melo being the number one guy on a championship team. What the Nuggets have put around him hasn't exactly been chopped liver, and he's gotten out of the first round once.

Melo is a good player but the available evidence suggests bringing him to Chicago is unlikely to get us any closer to a championship unless we can steal him for nothing.

Is there really that much Kool-Aid to go around?

1) Melo isn't just "a good player", he's as "top-10 in the league player", how about you tone down how much you let your obvious affection for Joakim Noah influence your posts, huh?

2) In Melo's 8 seasons in the NBA, only 3 times has he had another starter that averaged at least 20 PP36 (6 of the last 8 NBA Champions have had at least two), and the drop-off in scoring per 36 from Melo everyone else was rather large. But yeah, keep thinking that the likes of Earl Boykins, Andre Miller and 30+ Marcus Camby gave Melo all he should need.

 

[Crystallas]

I love this Kool-aid.

It's like admitting you are in the vast minority, by insulting someone else. But if people came to a conclusion on their own, and parts of/entire view is shared with the majority, they also drink kool-aid. How did this happen?

Kool-aid this, kool-aid that. Forget being rational, then you're drinking kool-aid, and none of us wants any part of that. But wait, if none of us wanted part of that, we would be drinking kool-aid. DOOMED!

 

[Lefty]

I love this Kool-aid.

It's like admitting you are in the vast minority, by insulting someone else. But if people came to a conclusion on their own, and parts of/entire view is shared with the majority, they also drink kool-aid. How did this happen?

Kool-aid this, kool-aid that. Forget being rational, then you're drinking kool-aid, and none of us wants any part of that. But wait, if none of us wanted part of that, we would be drinking kool-aid. DOOMED!

It's not circular logic, as much as you want it to be. The moron Bulls fans (as well as some national pundits) have fallen in love with yet another player, who while still pretty damn good, isn't near the level of the game's greats (Melo is one of them), all because he's very loud (bordering on obnoxious) in being pretty damn good. This is the same thing that happened in this town with the likes of Luol Deng, Ben Gorden, and to an extent, Tyrus Thomas in basketball, and countless other overrated players on Chicago's other sports franchises.

Derrick Rose dropping 39 points isn't going to happen every night, and without some "where did that come from" performances from players on this team that don't appear to have the ability to do so, this team needs to add scoring. Carmelo Anthony is a prolific scorer in the NBA, and it just so happens that he provides more than ample amounts of a commodity that is the most important factor in the NBA (both in the regular season and, as I'm finding out, the post-season as well), and can be (or could have been, I don't know how they would work around the Poison Pill) had for the low, low price of a pretty good center with questionable feet that will never, ever, come close to even sniffing the scoring abilities of Carmelo Anthony. That's a trade you make without batting an eye, it's that simple.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Lefty, I was NEVER in love with Tyrus Thomas... I hated him.

I always wanted Ben Gordon gone. Kirk, I liked, but Noah is WAY better than Kirk ever was. Luol Deng was probably the best player of all three. And Noah>>>>>>Deng.

 

[Crystallas]

I just don't see any difference in arguing about this all-season long, just because the possibility exists.

And in the end, regardless of how Noah performs, he becomes a bit of the victim, because fans will take it out on him. Rationally, this shouldn't happen, it's just what some fans do. Heck, more than some, a lot.

Before the Melo rumors and demands, Bulls fans were hopeful about Noah. Now if Noah make a bad play, so many fans are ready to grab their torch and pitchfork!

Realistically, if 100% of Bulls fans wanted the Melo for Noah trade, and we all rallied in the streets at the BC and UC every single day... stomping our feet, pounding the logic into Forman's head, calling people names and kicking ass along the way...
Do we still get what we want in the end?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I don't take anybody seriously in a conversation about basketball who once said passing and rebounding are overrated aspects of the game.

Also, going out on a limb and saying offense is more important than defense was a preeettttttty bold statement. And small-minded one.

No stats prove a damn thing. They don't prove that Pierce>Drexler, and they don't prove a Noah-Anthony trade will ultimately help the Bulls.

The funny thing about stats, and basketball, is that stats don't measure every aspect of every minute played by all ten players, and mental fortitude, and coaching strategy.

Your search for a magic formula is in vane.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

By the way, that 39 points was a QUIET 39 points... the rest of the league should be terrified of Derrick Rose. This is, by far, the best player... on, by far, the best team the Bulls have had since 1997-98.

 

[Crystallas]

Okay, okay, NVM. I should have recognized this sooner. Some people just want to debate, for the sake of debating, and I shouldn't get involved, even though it's a forum LOL But I can respect that.

Person one can make 100 points, and miss 1, then the next person locks onto that 1 point, then does the same thing. It's just being a guy, I guess LOL!