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By the way, I dare anyone here to find me a better Bulls' player (since 1998-99) that the Bulls have had, not named Derrick Rose or Joakim Noah.
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I'm not going to get into discussions of exactly where a player ranks, because it always ends up in a meaningless shit fight over who gets put above who. Lets just simplify it to there being two groups of players, those who can be the best player on a championship team, and those who can't. Barring a once in a generation fluke like the Pistons, I think Carmelo clearly belongs to the later group.
2) In Melo's 8 seasons in the NBA, only 3 times has he had another starter that averaged at least 20 PP36 (6 of the last 8 NBA Champions have had at least two), and the drop-off in scoring per 36 from Melo everyone else was rather large. But yeah, keep thinking that the likes of Earl Boykins, Andre Miller and 30+ Marcus Camby gave Melo all he should need.
I didn't say he had a supporting cast good enough to win the championship, I said he had a supporting cast good enough for more than a string of one and dones.
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one word, pargo.
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Lefty, you are too biased to see truth even when it smacks you right in the face...
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What truth has been made apparent other than the fact that scoring is more important than anything else in basketball? Because remember, that assertion has real, tangible backing to it, not "well Noah plays defense and rebounds, so trading him away for Melo doesn't get you closer to winning a championship", a supposition that is just arbitrary and meaningless, with no concrete backing to it whatsoever. Day after day you continually display for all to see just how much of a joke you are.
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This is the one thing I agree with Walton on. How many titles has melo brought to Denver? None, because isn't a championship level pro player. He isn't.
To win you need a good center and Noah is just that. He's leading the league in rebounds again and is beasting on the court. Melo is just scoring and nothing else.
To win you need a good center and Noah is just that. He's leading the league in rebounds again and is beasting on the court. Melo is just scoring and nothing else.
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:smh: at you believing lightly-backed-up limited statistical analysis = proving the so-called "fact" that "scoring>all."
The importance of different aspects in basketball is all relative to what your team already has, and doesn't have. That's the most important thing I could ever tell you.
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Elton Brand and Ben Gordon.
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Elton Brand was still a raw talent when he was with the Bulls. I'll take Noah, now, over Brand then. But I will grant you that he is the only one who even comes close.
And I strongly, strongly, strongly disagree with the idea of Ben Gordon being >Joakim Noah.
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This is absurdly stupid logic. If that is actually the case, then why are players other than those members of the most recent NCAA Championship team taken in the draft? Why is there even a draft at all? They have decidedly never brought a championship to any team in the NBA, so why bother picking them up, right? And what defines "championship level pro player"? Does inclusion in this group require an NBA Championship? If so there are a lot of really good players in the NBA that you have just shunned in favor of some really not-so-good ones. Try again.
Show your work on that one. And I don't want to hear about how X number of the last Y Championship teams have had a "good" center, that proves nothing. Show me that recent Championship teams have won because of the production of their center, and would have lost if that production had come from elsewhere on the court. Then you might have a pot to piss in, but for now people that say this are just talking out of their ass and making assertions that have absolutely no reliable backing.
Ok, yeah, he's good. I'll even give you "very good". But he still doesn't score enough, and obviously does not match-up (from the standpoint of point production, the most important aspect of basketball in the NBA) with a top-10 player in the league.
We're two fucking games into the season. How does praising a player based on two games worth of data not raise a giant red flag in your head? Jesus Christ, you people are getting ridiculous.
TOTALLY objective.
And, you know, 6 boards per 36 minutes, 3 assists and 1 steal, along with playing acceptable defense, but yeah, totally one-dimensional.
Did I mention that what he's best at is the most important facet of basketball as it pertains to winning?
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I do not think it is clear cut either way. Ben Gordon was an awful defender and very streaky but in his prime when he was hot he was near impossible to stop. I hated Ben Gordon but you're not giving him enough credit. I would side with Noah but it is not as much a one sided argument and you're making it to be.
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It's not "lightly backed up" you fucking dope. How many times does it need to be explained to you exactly what the "coefficient of determination" is? You are, without a doubt, the stupidest motherfucking meatball I have ever come across. And that's saying a lot, considering I used to post at White Sox Interactive.
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I'm not saying he wasn't a great scorer, but I just believe Noah is undeniably a better asset for any team.
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lol at the idea "coefficient of determination" is a time machine and can determine whether a trade will be worth doing or not.
I'm the "stupid motherfucking meatball" yet you are the one arguing with the person with the half-way moderate stance.... yeeeaaaaah.
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Wait now, you're bringing up the coefficient of determination here, when the Bulls and Nuggets agreeing to any deal with Melo's blessing is a long shot.
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Right, because that's exactly how I was using it. Just go away, and take the rest of the Moron Brigade with you.
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What the **** are you talking about? Go with Rami, and be well. Or not, I don't give a shit, just go somewhere where I won't feel infected by your complete lack of intelligence every time you hit "post reply".
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People look I love Noah(I have the guy's autograph) but I'm really sick of having Rose have to break his neck out there to score for this team. Rose needs another scorer and I don't see the problem with having a top 10 scorer in the NBA by his side. You can find another Noah but finding another top 10 player in the league isn't easy and usually includes losing a lot in order to get a high draft pick not getting lucky in the lotto again
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I have never heard a person cry so much just because someone disagrees with them. Get over it, seriously.
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I have never heard a person cry so much just because someone disagrees with them. Get over it, seriously.
Great, another bumbling idiot to deal with, I can't wait.