Blackhawks sign John Scott

[stormbolter73]

You better pray to whatever God you believe in (or don't) that John Scott doesn't dress against Vancouver. That team is to loaded with talent from top to bottom to waste a roster spot on a guy that doesn't do anything but fight. If he is on the blue line he is going to be expolited by any line he is matched against vs. Vancouver.

WHile I do not believe that the role of enforcer has died completely, it has changed greatly and John Scott is among the last of a dying breed. The days of the enforcer that does nothing else and can't play his position are quickly fading away. There are still guys that do it Boogaard and Jody Shelly being the first to jump to mind. Even guys like Raitais Ivanans and George Parros can play there positions to an adequate degree. Team toughness is becoming the order of the day. Having guys that are willing to answer the bell and maybe a guy or 2 like a Jarred Boll that can play to a greater degree than a traditional enforcer.

 

[southern_cross_116]

.. All this speaks to is why you stick a guy like this on a 4th (forward of course) line and work out 3 good effective forward lines, with one guy usually taking a double shift when the purpose guys need to be on the ice.

You keep going with Keith at the ice time he logs something is going to go wrong; at the moment the Hawks have played 1 goal games in each of their 4 -and there have been some significant depth issues with Campbell being out -so it may not be that bad (in terms of the team situation) -and then you get to the lineup juggling due to the cap considerations.

A guy like Scott is not there for a regular shift- and it is far easy to get away with this with a winger than any other position. Even against Vancouver if it matters.

 

[southern_cross_116]

... or, dress 7 defensemen like they are doing tonight (vs Columbus). Which in effect is going with 3 forward lines, 2 spare forwards and a spare Defenseman -and as of about 29:46 through the game ... Johnny S has all of a minute 32 in ice time.

This is how you use a "purpose player". You damned well don't want them playing hockey. . . because they did not make to the NHL based upon any sort of actual hockey skill. Now if they can only stick to that sort of role -it might be more effective for the team as a whole.

 

[Captain Iago]

I disagree....one of the weaknesses last year for the hawks (one of few) was that we didnt have a true enforcer....nobody was there to knock people around and drop the gloves (and dont say eager because all he did was talk)

If enforcer isnt important, then why did Boogard get 3 mil/year this summer?

While the boogieman did get an exorbitant contract, it wasn't 3/year. He got 1.6/year.

 

[Captain Iago]

You better pray to whatever God you believe in (or don't) that John Scott doesn't dress against Vancouver. That team is to loaded with talent from top to bottom to waste a roster spot on a guy that doesn't do anything but fight. If he is on the blue line he is going to be expolited by any line he is matched against vs. Vancouver.

WHile I do not believe that the role of enforcer has died completely, it has changed greatly and John Scott is among the last of a dying breed. The days of the enforcer that does nothing else and can't play his position are quickly fading away. There are still guys that do it Boogaard and Jody Shelly being the first to jump to mind. Even guys like Raitais Ivanans and George Parros can play there positions to an adequate degree. Team toughness is becoming the order of the day. Having guys that are willing to answer the bell and maybe a guy or 2 like a Jarred Boll that can play to a greater degree than a traditional enforcer.

While true, the role of a pure enforcer is going by the wayside because of how teams are working at putting together a team with cap responsibility (unless you're the Rags haha).

... or, dress 7 defensemen like they are doing tonight (vs Columbus). Which in effect is going with 3 forward lines, 2 spare forwards and a spare Defenseman -and as of about 29:46 through the game ... Johnny S has all of a minute 32 in ice time.

This is how you use a "purpose player". You damned well don't want them playing hockey. . . because they did not make to the NHL based upon any sort of actual hockey skill. Now if they can only stick to that sort of role -it might be more effective for the team as a whole.

Exactly. ^ This is how it's done.

 

[hsvj60]

sorry fellas I'm o'l skool and I believe in ass kickers I just wish we would of signed another one so he can have a good sidekick...Georges Laraque anyone? HELL YEA!!!

 

[Derkach77]

Didn't play much tonight...I'd like to see him a little more.

 

[tbo41fan]

While the boogieman did get an exorbitant contract, it wasn't 3/year. He got 1.6/year.

Yes, you are correct...I think it was 3 years...right?

 

[Captain Iago]

Yes, you are correct...I think it was 3 years...right?

4 :bizarro:

 

[stormbolter73]

That my friend is the definition of "bad paper!"

 

[tbo41fan]

4 :bizarro:

jesus...where the hell have i been?

 

[Capt. Serious]

Looks like he'll play vs the Canucks.

Ugh...

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

I'm really amazed this guy is in the NHL.

 

[DewsSox79]

you can have a guy that can enforce and protect players and still have some skill, like what was mentioned with parros,laraque...and my thoughts on avery.

john scott just blows ass. i was excited at first because of his height

 

[Matthew]

When Jassen Cullimore looks good in comparison to you then you know you're an awful player. John Scott is nothing more than a traffic cone that cross checks people after the whistle.

 

[southern_cross_116]

you can have a guy that can enforce and protect players and still have some skill, like what was mentioned with parros,laraque...and my thoughts on avery.

Not with the budget that the Hawks had... now considering that this guy has all of 2 minors, either he is really doing his job well without actually having to do it ... or, well .. yeah I guess time will tell on that one.

It is actually possible to run 3 forward lines consistently in the NHL, though... which you know, I wish some guys would figure out that nearly no one has 4 effective forward lines any more and that with the salary cap and the expansion of the 90's -that both were designed to create jobs for guys that wouldn't have been in the NHL before.

--- in short, with Scott -less ice time for this guy when he is dressed, means that is not bad for the team -hell, the team *has* the depth to afford a guy like this... the question is ... is this guy a guy like this? No idea by looking at the boxscores...

You know you also get a guy like this so asses like Ovechkin think twice about running your skill players ... as cement heads don't usually care if they can return the favor --- hell, where else can you think of where guys like this can earn that type of money? ? ? Well they might not be guys that win on Jeopardy, but I can bet you they know why they are there. It isn't to do spin-o-ramas.

Scott is supposed to = insurance for the skill players... who do you think you get for a minimum contract? Marty McSorley from 1990? :smh:

 

[DewsSox79]

Not with the budget that the Hawks had... now considering that this guy has all of 2 minors, either he is really doing his job well without actually having to do it ... or, well .. yeah I guess time will tell on that one.

It is actually possible to run 3 forward lines consistently in the NHL, though... which you know, I wish some guys would figure out that nearly no one has 4 effective forward lines any more and that with the salary cap and the expansion of the 90's -that both were designed to create jobs for guys that wouldn't have been in the NHL before.

--- in short, with Scott -less ice time for this guy when he is dressed, means that is not bad for the team -hell, the team *has* the depth to afford a guy like this... the question is ... is this guy a guy like this? No idea by looking at the boxscores...

You know you also get a guy like this so asses like Ovechkin think twice about running your skill players ... as cement heads don't usually care if they can return the favor --- hell, where else can you think of where guys like this can earn that type of money? ? ? Well they might not be guys that win on Jeopardy, but I can bet you they know why they are there. It isn't to do spin-o-ramas.

Scott is supposed to = insurance for the skill players... who do you think you get for a minimum contract? Marty McSorley from 1990? :smh:

first off i know my hockey just a little bit (sarcasm)

I never said anything about affording those players, I was giving examples of players who can be used as enforcers and still have some skill to the game which john scott does not. the straight up enforcer to the game is going away. rosters are being filled with talent, not goons.

you dont get points in the standings by winning the fights, you win by scoring goals. period.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Not with the budget that the Hawks had... now considering that this guy has all of 2 minors, either he is really doing his job well without actually having to do it ... or, well .. yeah I guess time will tell on that one.

It is actually possible to run 3 forward lines consistently in the NHL, though... which you know, I wish some guys would figure out that nearly no one has 4 effective forward lines any more and that with the salary cap and the expansion of the 90's -that both were designed to create jobs for guys that wouldn't have been in the NHL before.

--- in short, with Scott -less ice time for this guy when he is dressed, means that is not bad for the team -hell, the team *has* the depth to afford a guy like this... the question is ... is this guy a guy like this? No idea by looking at the boxscores...

You know you also get a guy like this so asses like Ovechkin think twice about running your skill players ... as cement heads don't usually care if they can return the favor --- hell, where else can you think of where guys like this can earn that type of money? ? ? Well they might not be guys that win on Jeopardy, but I can bet you they know why they are there. It isn't to do spin-o-ramas.

Scott is supposed to = insurance for the skill players... who do you think you get for a minimum contract? Marty McSorley from 1990? :smh:

I wish Scott was as acceptable as you're painting him to be.

I forget who did it, but in last night's Buffalo game, Toews took a really hard hit from one of the Sabres along the boards. It wasn't dirty and Toews wasn't killed (just a little slow to get up) but it was obvious that someone was taking a run at the captain. It was the definition of a "take a number" situation for the Hawks.

Nobody did anything. That's where a guy like Scott needs to say "I'm a big worthless stack of shit, but our captain got run and I'm going to do something about it". Scott can't even hit. He looks like an awkward teenager that's not yet comfortable with his own size out there. Slow and gross.

For ****'s sake, David Koci at least had a legitimate comedic value whenever he was on the ice. I remember attending one game where I saw him get off the bench and make a straight line for the opposing goalie. Once he got to him, Koci stuck out his foot and tripped up the goalie with his skate. It was total Hanson brother's shit. Scott isn't even worth that.

 

[icehogfan08]

There are skille dfighters out there who can make an impact by doing other things than fight. Guys like Ivanans, Reclichz & Steve MacIntyre come to mind as non drafted NHL guys who worked the way up from the old UHL to the NHL. Steve Downie is a smaller guy but will take on anyone and plays on the 1st line with Stamkos. The only time i see Scott dropping the gloves is when we play the Ducks, Calgary, Edmonton, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Rangers, and the Flyers. Those are the teams who carry tough guys who will fight night after night. As i stated in another thread, the toughness is out East mainly in the North Eastern Division.

 

[BzartlerEYF]

Thats cool and all but who has the cup? The West. And the team who did win it the year before out of the East was more skill then goon. The Penguins are another team that relies on team toughness.

We all got to remember that when these Hawk players do decide to drop the gloves they still have to answer to the big man which is coach Q. If he decides that you fought for a stupid reason (I'm looking at you Eager) then he benches you for fighting. All players do not want to lose ice time because they dropped the gloves and pissed off the head coach.

Q wants the wins instead of the statement fights which is cool because I would rather have 2 points then win a couple of fights. Right? Anyone agree with that?