Brandon Webb # 1 Target For Cubs

[DewsSox79]

If you don't watch the games, but just look shit up, then you don't have the full story. If you never watch games, then you are just like any other idiot fan, and are going to be consistently wrong.

You think you know about the Cubs because you look up sabre? If you don't watch baseball, you don't understand normal stats, much less sabre.

Just watch a game or stop bringing up stupidity.

again, it is for attention. he thinks he is clever with his sarcasm.

 

[Jntg4]

I just can't argue with some kid that doesn't watch baseball about the Cubs.

 

[DewsSox79]

Oh god...

So when you watch the games you have the full story? Not at all. What does watching the games have to do with being right or wrong? Whether I watch the games or not, the same thing is going to happen, thus the same stats. How does this argument change at all if I watch the games? It doesn't. Again, what does watching baseball... with the eye have to do with understanding normal stats... with the brain. Saber is not stupidity. I understand that you don't understand it, but you're just talking out of your ass.

1) stop trying to sound like lefty.

2) you yourself have no idea how to comprehend sabre, let alone evaluate talent.

 

[DewsSox79]

and once again, it is the CO show.....coming to a theatre near you, where he destroys all threads.

 

[Captain Obvious]

BOLD- wtf are you talking about?

:rofl:

dealing with a child here. awesome.

That. Is. What. We. Were. Talking. About.

Would you like a cookie? You can not tell me that the human eye catches everything. It's impossible. Technology > Human Eye. In this case technology = statistics.

not even worth arguing with someone who contradicts themselves constantly. funny stuff.

 

[Jntg4]

That. Is. What. We. Were. Talking. About.

Just a homer/meatball "fan".

Now I understand why you think such dumb things sometimes.

 

[DewsSox79]

That. Is. What. We. Were. Talking. About.

I wasnt even refering to your cookie post. jesus.

 

[Captain Obvious]

again, it is for attention. he thinks he is clever with his sarcasm.

Right. Stop bitching and talk sports. Not that hard.

I just can't argue with some kid that doesn't watch baseball about the Cubs.

What does the number of games I watched last year have to do with any of it? Nothing, that's what. Tell me, please, what the number of games I watched last year has to do with it.

1) stop trying to sound like lefty.

2) you yourself have no idea how to comprehend sabre, let alone evaluate talent.

1) I wasn't.

2) I'm sorry that I don't use the old eye test. I like to use something that is more than 50% reliable.

and once again, it is the CO show.....coming to a theatre near you, where he destroys all threads.

It's a sports forum. Stop. Grow up.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I wasnt even refering to your cookie post. jesus.

Then why would you quote it?

 

[DewsSox79]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious
How many seasons has Z had an ERA above 4? 0.He's always been right around that 7.5 K/9 mark. He's always walked about 4/9. he's never given up 1 HR/9, in fact his HR/9 has been down the last couple years, which is good to see. His FIP was right in the same area it's always been. His LD% was pretty high for him last year and he still put up those numbers. Interesting... as he gets older he gives up more hits but fewer HRs.

So what was so different about last year? Hell, Z put up some of the best numbers of his career with the highest BABIP he's ever had.



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Originally Posted by Captain Obvious
And ERA is not another stat you should use. Nor is WHIP. WHIP isn't indicative of player skill. Sure, pitchers who don't walk people or give up many hits are good, but we don't need WHIP to tell us that. It's merely a byproduct of many other stats.

Defense is not the only problem with ERA, but also the judgement of the scorekeeper. All these other stats are fine to use, just not to evaluate a player.

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That is what im talking about when it comes to contradiction, you are the king of it.

 

[DewsSox79]

Right. Stop bitching and talk sports. Not that hard.



What does the number of games I watched last year have to do with any of it? Nothing, that's what. Tell me, please, what the number of games I watched last year has to do with it.


1) I wasn't.

2) I'm sorry that I don't use the old eye test. I like to use something that is more than 50% reliable.



It's a sports forum. Stop. Grow up.

do you realize a small fact about sabre...........there are eyes making those statistics. "un bias handful of experts watch every single play to judge a players UZR" that is FACT

 

[Jntg4]

What does the number of games I watched last year have to do with any of it? Nothing, that's what. Tell me, please, what the number of games I watched last year has to do with it.

Right, some random kid who doesn't watch sports is an expert on the Cubs and baseball in general.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious
How many seasons has Z had an ERA above 4? 0.He's always been right around that 7.5 K/9 mark. He's always walked about 4/9. he's never given up 1 HR/9, in fact his HR/9 has been down the last couple years, which is good to see. His FIP was right in the same area it's always been. His LD% was pretty high for him last year and he still put up those numbers. Interesting... as he gets older he gives up more hits but fewer HRs.

So what was so different about last year? Hell, Z put up some of the best numbers of his career with the highest BABIP he's ever had.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Obvious
And ERA is not another stat you should use. Nor is WHIP. WHIP isn't indicative of player skill. Sure, pitchers who don't walk people or give up many hits are good, but we don't need WHIP to tell us that. It's merely a byproduct of many other stats.

Defense is not the only problem with ERA, but also the judgement of the scorekeeper. All these other stats are fine to use, just not to evaluate a player.

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That is what im talking about when it comes to contradiction, you are the king of it.

Cool, you read one thing where I contradict myself. I am referring to the differential in his FIP and ERA. How many times do I have to say that before you get it? I'm really trying to be the nice guy here, but you make it so hard. It's the FIP/ERA differential. Okay, yeah, I am too hard on ERA and it is acceptable to use in certain circumstances. But dude, stop being stuck on one thing from like 2 pages ago.

 

[Jntg4]

Cool, you read one thing where I contradict myself. I am referring to the differential in his FIP and ERA. How many times do I have to say that before you get it? I'm really trying to be the nice guy here, but you make it so hard. It's the FIP/ERA differential. Okay, yeah, I am too hard on ERA and it is acceptable to use in certain circumstances. But dude, stop being stuck on one thing from like 2 pages ago.

 

[Captain Obvious]

do you realize a small fact about sabre...........there are eyes making those statistics. "un bias handful of experts watch every single play to judge a players UZR" that is FACT

That's great. Too bad we are talking about pitchers here. I've never said UZR is perfect, but it's the best that we have. Back to the subject of pitchers, how do you need eyes to calculate FIP, ERA, tEra, et. cetera? That's right, you don't.

Right, some random kid who doesn't watch sports is an expert on the Cubs and baseball in general.

Never claimed to be an expert. You are simply putting wayyyyyyyy too much stock into watching the games. Plus, you act like I watched 0 games last year.

 

[DewsSox79]

]Cool, you read one thing where I contradict myself. I am referring to the differential in his FIP and ERA. How many times do I have to say that before you get it? I'm really trying to be the nice guy here, but you make it so hard[/B]. It's the FIP/ERA differential. Okay, yeah, I am too hard on ERA and it is acceptable to use in certain circumstances. But dude, stop being stuck on one thing from like 2 pages ago.

actually I have alot more if you want them posted.

Please dont scare me with "im trying to be nice" stop yourself.

 

[DewsSox79]

That's great. Too bad we are talking about pitchers here. I've never said UZR is perfect, but it's the best that we have. Back to the subject of pitchers, how do you need eyes to calculate FIP, ERA, tEra, et. cetera? That's right, you don't.



Never claimed to be an expert. You are simply putting wayyyyyyyy too much stock into watching the games. Plus, you act like I watched 0 games last year.

FIP generally has 7-13 members watching the pitchers as well. thank you.

 

[DewsSox79]

another thread destroyed by CO.

 

[Rush]

Just throwing my 2 cents in on the issue....we're all posting in the Cubs forum. Instead of trying to argue your own beliefs to death...agree to disagree. We all want the Cubs to win...pointing out a forum-enemy who is a fan of the same team as you is silly.

We're all rooting for the same team lol. Just remember that when arguing about your posts. This thread could have been salvaged but arguing about how you argue and the variables you take into consideration while arguing, isn't really relevant of Brandon Webb or how the Cubs organization is targeting him. No ill will.