Brian Windhorst: "Breakup between Derrick Rose and Bulls has begun"

[clonetrooper264]

This is why I was saying the criticism of Rose's play this season is not warranted.

KC is supporting what you and RamTheBullsFan discussed on this site last week in regards to the true severity of Rose's injury.

He gets criticized if he sits out until healthy and gets criticized when he comes back to the court before he's healed. It's a shame that some of our hardcore fans are such idiots.

Haters gonna hate. It's easy to find reasons to complain about Rose.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Dunleavy

Brooks

Moore

McDermott

Hinrich

Snell

All "skill" players. All below NBA average playing ability. That is half of the Bulls team.

Hinrich is the only one on that list of players who absolutely sucks now, and he's barely playing at all.

McDermott is shooting well over 50% from three-point range and right around 50% from two-point range.

Dunleavy is semi-solid of an overall player and is a great shooter. And he has been hurt anyway so he's not even eating minutes.

Snell is a solid defensive player and a solid spot-up three-point shooter.

Moore is the best defensive player of all the point guards we have including Rose right now. And he can play both guard positions and create his own shot.

I think you're hating right now.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Hinrich is the only one on that list of players who absolutely sucks now, and he's barely playing at all.

McDermott is shooting well over 50% from three-point range and right around 50% from two-point range.

Dunleavy is semi-solid of an overall player and is a great shooter. And he has been hurt anyway so he's not even eating minutes.

Snell is a solid defensive player and a solid spot-up three-point shooter.

Moore is the best defensive player of all the point guards we have including Rose right now. And he can play both guard positions and create his own shot.

I think you're hating right now.

Let's also ignore that many other teams have "below average" players on their teams too. Surely the Bulls are the only one!

 

[Axl Rose]

our guard/wing depth does suck no need to argue that

Snell is trash, Doug is shooting well but defense needs work and Dun is a question mark

i'll say im not optimistic about a 35 year old needing back surgery

Rose/Hinrich/Brooks may be the worst PG situation in the league at this point. alteast for any hopeful contenders

 

[clonetrooper264]

our guard/wing depth does suck no need to argue that

Snell is trash, Doug is shooting well but and Dun is a question mark. i'll say im not optimistic about a 35 year old needing back surgery

Rose/Hinrich/Brooks may be the worst PG situation in the league at this point. alteast from any hopeful contenders.

Why compare a non-contender to contenders?

 

[Axl Rose]

Why compare a non-contender to contenders?

i'd say we're hopeful contenders

but yeah we aren't legit ones

 

[GalePayton]

i'd say we're hopeful contenders

but yeah we aren't legit ones

I believe we're contenders.

Once we get accustomed to this new system and we become healthy, I see no reason why we won't have a chance to reach the ECFs.

 

[The Hawk]

Hinrich is the only one on that list of players who absolutely sucks now, and he's barely playing at all.

McDermott is shooting well over 50% from three-point range and right around 50% from two-point range.

Dunleavy is semi-solid of an overall player and is a great shooter. And he has been hurt anyway so he's not even eating minutes.

Snell is a solid defensive player and a solid spot-up three-point shooter.

Moore is the best defensive player of all the point guards we have including Rose right now. And he can play both guard positions and create his own shot.

I think you're hating right now.

I am hating our roster because we have only two skill players on it who are better than average.....Rose and Butler. NONE of the players that I listed are even average and none are worth of starting on even an average team. Paxson and Gar complement this team very well because they are also two very below average executives in the which says a lot to why very food free agents want to come to Chicago. They suck. As for MOORE????? You have to be kidding me. He's a scrub.

 

[The Hawk]

our guard/wing depth does suck no need to argue that

Snell is trash, Doug is shooting well but defense needs work and Dun is a question mark

i'll say im not optimistic about a 35 year old needing back surgery

Rose/Hinrich/Brooks may be the worst PG situation in the league at this point. alteast for any hopeful contenders

Thank you. And the real shame of where they are as a team is the fact that this team has been sorely lacking at the skill positions for a long time. Gar/Pax has failed in putting a roster together for years. But then they were sure to blame the Bulls not winning a championship on the only one in management who knew what they needed and who to draft and who to sign as free agents.......That person was Thibs. And lastly, that shitty letter Reinsdorf put out when it happened was truly a classless piece of shit.

 

[Enasic]

I am hating our roster because we have only two skill players on it who are better than average.....Rose and Butler. NONE of the players that I listed are even average and none are worth of starting on even an average team. Paxson and Gar complement this team very well because they are also two very below average executives in the which says a lot to why very food free agents want to come to Chicago. They suck. As for MOORE????? You have to be kidding me. He's a scrub.

Rose is pretty damned average...even going back to last year.

You definitely are letting your hatred of garpax inhibit some bias. How many teams are dealing with their former franchise player making 20 mil a year being a shell of their former self due to injuries? Let's not pretend like that doesn't effect roster moves. We're not flexibile right now...and if Rose was playing the way he was pre-injury, we're the number 1 seed in the east and a legit championship team. We absolutely do need help on the wing, I'll give you that, but believe it or not, we're not the only team with holes. And considering our depth up front, we could potentially add a "quality" wing to go with Butler. TBH, Butler, Doug, Snell, and MDJ isn't bad. Is it elite in the league? No...but you're acting like we have scrub players everywhere. It's amazing we're not below .500 with the way you're making it sound.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I am hating our roster because we have only two skill players on it who are better than average.....Rose and Butler. NONE of the players that I listed are even average and none are worth of starting on even an average team. Paxson and Gar complement this team very well because they are also two very below average executives in the which says a lot to why very food free agents want to come to Chicago. They suck. As for MOORE????? You have to be kidding me. He's a scrub.

And how many of those guys are starting? One guy (McDermott) who is shooting the lights out despite his other flaws.

The rest of those guys are on the bench anyway. And their bench is actually really good. Snell is shooting 44% (2pt) and 36% (3pt) which are both sufficient to go along with above average defense. He's not great but he's not garbage either.

Moore is shooting 54% (2pt) and 45% (3pt) and is their best defensive point guard. And he's trash?

Anyone who would call an NBA player trash is a hater. Especially when nobody pays to watch your ass hoop.

Oh yeah and Taj and Noah are also on the Bulls' bench. Yep. It's terrible.

 

[Enasic]

And how many of those guys are starting? One guy (McDermott) who is shooting the lights out despite his other flaws.

The rest of those guys are on the bench anyway. And their bench is actually really good. Snell is shooting 44% (2pt) and 36% (3pt) which are both sufficient to go along with above average defense. He's not great but he's not garbage either.

Moore is shooting 54% (2pt) and 45% (3pt) and is their best defensive point guard. And he's trash?

Anyone who would call an NBA player trash is a hater. Especially when nobody pays to watch your ass hoop.

Oh yeah and Taj and Noah are also on the Bulls' bench. Yep. It's terrible.

Agree with everything but the bolded. There's trash players, man...for NBA standards at least. If there's stars, then there's surely the opposite of stars. Trash, really bad, not good, 12th men, whatever you want to call them. But the Bulls don't really have any of those types...that are in the rotation anyways.

 

[GalePayton]

Rose is pretty damned average...even going back to last year.

Rose was one of the only Bulls players that showed up in the playoffs. What are you talking about?

 

[Enasic]

Rose was one of the only Bulls players that showed up in the playoffs. What are you talking about?

Derrick Rose last season:

18 PPG
5 APG
28% 3P
.363 eFG%
.493 TS%
16 PER
30 MPG

That's average at best for a starting PG. He was terribly inefficient over the course of the 51 games he played in the regular season.

Derrick Rose in the playoffs last year

20 PPG
6.5 APG
34% 3P
.445 eFG%
.484 TS%
16.8 PER
38 MPG

He was pretty much the same inefficient player he was during the regular season. He just played more minutes. He did shoot better from 3 which helped his eFG% but even still, it was still poor. He played ever so marginally better during the playoffs. Still, average to slightly above average at best.

 

[clonetrooper264]

You know, no one complained about Allen Iverson's 48% TS% when they went to the Finals :shrug:

 

[Axl Rose]

Iverson was also averaging 33 points and had 22.5 PER though

so he was quite better than Derrick

 

[clonetrooper264]

Iverson was also averaging 33 points and had 22.5 PER though

so he was quite better than Derrick

:dontsay:

I'm just saying in regards to efficiency, Iverson is one of the most inefficient players to lead a team, but no one calls him "average" because of that. Probably because he was scoring 30+ points per game with 8 assists and 2+ steals. Now Rose obviously did not come close to those numbers except assists, but just because a player is inefficient doesn't mean they're just average.

 

[The Hawk]

Hinrich is the only one on that list of players who absolutely sucks now, and he's barely playing at all.

McDermott is shooting well over 50% from three-point range and right around 50% from two-point range.

Dunleavy is semi-solid of an overall player and is a great shooter. And he has been hurt anyway so he's not even eating minutes.

Snell is a solid defensive player and a solid spot-up three-point shooter.

Moore is the best defensive player of all the point guards we have including Rose right now. And he can play both guard positions and create his own shot.

I think you're hating right now.

I didn't say that all of those guys "suck". I said that they all were below average. McDermott can shoot but he cannot defend. Snell can defend but he is not a good shot. Hinrich is old and bad. Dunleavy is a one trick pony and a below average all-around player. Brooks is terrible on defense and isn't a point guard which they need desperately. And Moore? He is okay for a bench guy because he has size and can also defend.

Look. Lets face it. The Bulls have a good top six guys in Rose, Butler, Mirotic, Gasol, Noah, and Gibson and a promising rookie But their strength is in the bigs not anything else. This is my problem with Garfield and friend. They stood pat in the off season and did not even try to balance this team out via a trade or in the draft. The arrogance of Paxson is just amazing as in Thibs was their problem. While not an all world coach he certainly is a good coach who got the most out of his players. I haven't seen enough of Hoiberg to comment on him other than to say that they did not even try to get him the kind of players to run his offense.

The wins that the Bulls have had thus far are wins caused by their defense which is a carry-over from Thibs and his guys. Now Rose is hurt again which further depletes an already weak skill players group. This team will not go anywhere this season and it should be laid out in front of all that Paxson needs to be fired.

 

[Axl Rose]

i wouldn't even say Rose is average....as of now i'd say he just sucks and thats me being truthfully honest and not because im mad at something he said in the media or that he didn't come back for the playoffs after being cleared

last year he took 16 shots for 17 points and in the playoffs he took 19 shots for 20 points and really wasn't doing much on defense...plus you gotta take in the fact Rose was highly inconsistent so you never knew what Rose you were gonna get that night.....this year so far has been more of the same but worse

 

[Alpha Male]

i wouldn't even say Rose is average....as of now i'd say he just sucks and thats me being truthfully honest and not because im mad at something he said in the media or that he didn't come back for the playoffs after being cleared

last year he took 16 shots for 17 points and in the playoffs he took 19 shots for 20 points and really wasn't making up doing much on defense...plus you gotta take in the fact Rose was highly inconsistent so you never knew what Rose you were gonna get that night.....this year so far has been more of the same but worse

LOL. He is the rex grossman/ jay cutler of point guards.