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Looks like he’ll fit right in!!
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Wow he needs something fixed.
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Watching low lights is like watching highlights. It's only a glimpse into what you can expect.
Last year very bad. I'm not sugar coating it at all and I've given a list of logical reasons why I think he regressed so bad.
To be clear, what you saw is the 'risk' side of the trade. If he was a sure thing then his price is probably way higher than what's being discussed.
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I agree - and no one knows for sure and can say for sure. I have seen QB play decline but not for someone that should be entering their peak years. If Wentz returns to form, he can be a QB that will lead your team to the playoffs. If he plays like last season, he will lead you to hate your life and curse Nagy and Pace. I would say about 75% of the Eagles fan base truly believes his decline in play is a direct result of our willingness to sacrifice whatever it took to win a Super Bowl to the football gods. If this is just the football gods way of exacting their revenge on Eagles fans, then you have nothing to worry about.
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This brings up an interesting scenario.
He's the perfect boom/bust option. If he booms then you get a franchise QB. If he busts you get a new GM & head coach.
For the skeptical Bears fan could this be the win - win, which actually also feels like a lose - lose?
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Honestly I'd give the first and foles and Miller for him. We can still get a starting RT rd 2 and probably a decent receiver rd 3 or trading back into rd 2 with the depth this year. If Wentz turns it around great. If not we have a new regime next year with 1 more year to fix him and build the roster before deciding to move on
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He also has way less experience and was playing very well in an offensive system that was crumbling. That says something.
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We haven't seen enough but from what we've seen (training camp/AZ game) I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a super star honestly.
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Very well is a stretch. His passing numbers were mediocre at best
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I hope so. At this point he's literally the Eagles only shot at having a decent QB.
I'm rooting for it, but also realize there's a chance he looks bad, the team is also bad and next year we are drafting in the top 10 knowing we need a QB.
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Nagy and Pace only have next season probably to make the team into a real contender. A rookie QB probably isn't going to buy them another year even if he shows promise at pick 20. The concern I would have, if I were a Bears fan, is that Nagy and Pace have more incentive to mortgage the future than any picks this season. Mortgaging the future for Wentz probably doesn't make the team a SB contender. Trading a future 1st round pick and other picks, if Wentz works out probably saves their jobs over the next 2 seasons. Trading a future 1st round pick isn't their problem if he fails. It leaves the Bears with the same problem of no QB and less resources to get a QB. So getting busting will still feel bad and maybe worse depending on what future assets they give up in the trade.
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There were flashes but I just didn't come away wowed with him. I think the team needs to give him a year to see but I think the odds are against him being a top 15 starting QB.
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yeah i saw some highlights that were flat out amazing...i've been racking my brain trying to recall a precedent, when has a QB played at a very high level, had one atrocious year, and then taken back off to a high level again.
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I've been thinking it's just like Carr. I'm unsure if that's David Carr who never recovered after the Texans broke him or like Derek Carr, who after breaking his leg took 2 seasons to get his head right.
It might hold because when you look at Wentz games from 2016 to 2019 then compare it to 2020 those are completely different QBs. It must of been a combination of things going bad for him to regress like that.
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The flip side is the OL was so broken that there's no way to property evaluate Hurts. Maybe flashes were the absolute best he could have done?
when I watched him there were moments that reminded me of a rookie Russell Wilson. To be clear, this wasn't the guy we all see now that averages over 250 passing yards a game and 30+ TDs a season. His first 3 seasons he was around 200 yards passing per game (195, 209 then 217). He was always calm and efficient. I see similar calmness, but no where near as efficient. I'm left wondering is that a product of how bad the OL/team was or is he just not going to pan out?
It seems like he'll get the 2021 season to determine what he'll be, unless Wentz is still around.... Man, this is just getting weirder and weirder.
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I think the Bears offered Roquan and a first and he is testing if he can make it juicier. I would think Roquan/2022-1st/Foles would be a pretty good formula to grease this thing.
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I think that would get the deal done.
One item - In my opinion Foles would be considered a 'negative asset' in that kind of trade. No where near as negative as Goff or Osweiler, but still, not an asset. The Bears essentially can't have him on the roster and sure Eagles fans will like having him back, but he's just a backup QB who's contract is $4M in 2021 and $8M in 2022. For a cap strapped team that's a lot for someone you know isn't your starter.
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I disagree. If Jalen Hurts is your starter you are happy to have Foles in at those numbers and he would still be there if those numbers were possible when he left.
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That's a fair point, but with the Eagles cap situation paying the backup QB isn't a priority. I look at someone like Andy Dalton signing for $3M and think there are cheaper options. There will be someone like Cam Newton, Colt McCoy, Geno Smith, etc... that if they go in their job is to give a spark, but ultimately get a decent draft pick. Hell, mind as well go full Glennon. For his $1M contract he single handedly locked up the #1 overall pick!!!
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I'm gonna stick with 5.5 avg over 2 years not being "expensive" for a back-up to a running back QB...not a running QB mind you...a running back QB...that trucks people, I would think that Foles gives both fans and coaches alike more comfort, knowing he can be average at worst and good enough to win with support.
Guys like Foles and Fitzpatrick stay in the league because they know what they are doing. Or Chase Daniel for that matter, is there because he can read the defense and run the play.
If it was any other team but Philly I would consider Glennon or Fitzpatrick or Newton.
I'm surprised the Patriots don't want to try and run wildcat with Newton again. Honestly it was about week 10 and they were unstoppable. Then the big running back the bears should have drafted went down, a tackle and maybe more went down, and they couldn't quite convert...but for a minute they were running an Army style offense on 4 downs any distance, and just pounding 3 yards and a cloud of dust every play. It was brutal but effective and had they had their normal Patriots defense they would have stomped on people.