Bryan LaHair to be called up

[dabynsky]

Are you the next GM then? God forbid if they give the kid the at bats' to find out and not have to sign someone like Fileder and save tons of money!

But that is the point. Even if the Cubs played him everyday for the rest of the season that wouldn't tell us if he can actually handle big league pitching on an everyday basis, and we have to pass on a guy that has put up great numbers against actual major league pitching. That and you do know that LaHair is a year and half older than Fielder, right?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Either go with Fielder or LaHair. I dont want another year of paying 1B 7 mil + to watch him hit .220 150K, .175 RISP....LaHair could do that and make NOTHING

except pena is already a proven power hitter,commands walks(yes yes i know the production and importance of walks is dependent a bit on other's risps..but the cubs are near the bottom of the nl in walks)...while lahair is not too young so he doesnt have a terribly high ceiling, nor is he really proven

that said, i think he deserves to be called up and hope he gets a few starts this season and more going forward

 

[2SeamHeat]

But that is the point. Even if the Cubs played him everyday for the rest of the season that wouldn't tell us if he can actually handle big league pitching on an everyday basis, and we have to pass on a guy that has put up great numbers against actual major league pitching. That and you do know that LaHair is a year and half older than Fielder, right?

Not at all, unless he comes up and sucks ass. If he gets 10-15 starts and barely tows a .200 BA... then even I'll say he needs to go back to Iowa or take his chances at becoming a NPL HoFer. If he does alright... then he'll earn himself a chance to prove something in ST. If nothing else, he might prove to be a useful bat off the bench.... if he can handle the corner OF spots worth a damn.

I don't hold out hope that he'll become an overnight sensation and All Star like some have after debuting at his age. However, I do think he's earned the chance to prove whether or not he can play at this level.

Quite frankly, it won't hurt anything... even if he ends up playing all next year at 1B. Why? Cuz this team is most likely going to suck next year too. Even with signing Fielder and Wilson, you will still have holes in the OF being filled by rookies or near rookies... and a huge hole at 3B... as well as issues in the pen. You're looking at no less than 2 years before this team gets back on track... and longer if no big signings take place this winter.

 

[nwfisch]

Not at all, unless he comes up and sucks ass. If he gets 10-15 starts and barely tows a .200 BA... then even I'll say he needs to go back to Iowa or take his chances at becoming a NPL HoFer. If he does alright... then he'll earn himself a chance to prove something in ST. If nothing else, he might prove to be a useful bat off the bench.... if he can handle the corner OF spots worth a damn.

I don't hold out hope that he'll become an overnight sensation and All Star like some have after debuting at his age. However, I do think he's earned the chance to prove whether or not he can play at this level.

Quite frankly, it won't hurt anything... even if he ends up playing all next year at 1B. Why? Cuz this team is most likely going to suck next year too. Even with signing Fielder and Wilson, you will still have holes in the OF being filled by rookies or near rookies... and a huge hole at 3B... as well as issues in the pen. You're looking at no less than 2 years before this team gets back on track... and longer if no big signings take place this winter.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap::clap::clap:

 

[Captain Obvious]

Are you the next GM then? God forbid if they give the kid the at bats' to find out and not have to sign someone like Fileder and save tons of money!

The kid. LOL.

Not at all, unless he comes up and sucks ass. If he gets 10-15 starts and barely tows a .200 BA... then even I'll say he needs to go back to Iowa or take his chances at becoming a NPL HoFer. If he does alright... then he'll earn himself a chance to prove something in ST. If nothing else, he might prove to be a useful bat off the bench.... if he can handle the corner OF spots worth a damn.

I don't hold out hope that he'll become an overnight sensation and All Star like some have after debuting at his age. However, I do think he's earned the chance to prove whether or not he can play at this level.

Quite frankly, it won't hurt anything... even if he ends up playing all next year at 1B. Why? Cuz this team is most likely going to suck next year too. Even with signing Fielder and Wilson, you will still have holes in the OF being filled by rookies or near rookies... and a huge hole at 3B... as well as issues in the pen. You're looking at no less than 2 years before this team gets back on track... and longer if no big signings take place this winter.

You don't know what random fluctuation means, do you? Why are you going to base LaHair's future off of 10-15 starts, or under 100 PAs? At 100 PAs, which he won't reach, he still has a random variation of about .5 in his OBP and wOBA. Judging him that prematurely is just stupid. And if he HITS(not gets on base or has an wOBA of...) below 200 you aren't going to give him a ST invite? But let me guess, Colvin gets one, doesn't he?

 

[waldo7239117]

28 is the new 15, don't you know?!

 

[nwfisch]

The kid. LOL.



You don't know what random fluctuation means, do you? Why are you going to base LaHair's future off of 10-15 starts, or under 100 PAs? At 100 PAs, which he won't reach, he still has a random variation of about .5 in his OBP and wOBA. Judging him that prematurely is just stupid. And if he HITS(not gets on base or has an wOBA of...) below 200 you aren't going to give him a ST invite? But let me guess, Colvin gets one, doesn't he?

And you say I have a reading comprehension problem.:smoke:

Many MLB players were listed here who developed at an older age into solid MLB players.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I don't hold out hope that he'll become an overnight sensation and All Star like some have after debuting at his age. However, I do think he's earned the chance to prove whether or not he can play at this level.

Quite frankly, it won't hurt anything... even if he ends up playing all next year at 1B. Why? Cuz this team is most likely going to suck next year too. Even with signing Fielder and Wilson, you will still have holes in the OF being filled by rookies or near rookies... and a huge hole at 3B... as well as issues in the pen. You're looking at no less than 2 years before this team gets back on track... and longer if no big signings take place this winter.

i wouldnt be too definitive here..alot of it depends on if we get fielder and wilson or another FA

if we plays our cards right, we can do pretty well next year(biggest thoughts are the futures of pena and ramirez)

still alot of variables to play out

im not a huge fan of lafair and i think we dont need to start him too quickly or anything...its not like he is young and has a lot of potential..he's in his late 20s and will be a role player at best...that's pretty much his ceiling

i dont know a ton about lahair specifically...how is he with drawing walks..i think its important that if we get rid of pena we get a guy or develop guys that can get on base easier..whether or not we produce is a whole different story when you get into risp...but i'd like to hear some opinions
atleast he is better than AAA but still

 

[Capt. Serious]

CO:

He'll be a 10 time All Star

 

[Captain Obvious]

And you say I have a reading comprehension problem.:smoke:

Many MLB players were listed here who developed at an older age into solid MLB players.

Okay, so those ~5% of players are what we should expect out of him? No. That's Special person. He has 150 previous ML PAs, the random variations for wOBA for 100 and 200 PAs are .5 and .36, respectively. So the random variation for 150, would be about .42. He has a wOBA of .292. If he is in the common 63% of players, which I think he is, his "true" wOBA is in the range of .250 and .334. That whole range sucks. Sure, he could wow me, but I really don't think that is gonna happen.

CO:

He'll be a 10 time All Star

Ummm... what? When have I ever said anything like that? I have never even said he will start. You're a fucking moron.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Ummm... what? When have I ever said anything like that? I have never even said he will start. You're a fucking moron.

to be fair joe..you're not helping here:tiptoe:

 

[Capt. Serious]

to be fair joe..you're not helping here:tiptoe:

Got under the little clown's skin. Good.

Dude's a loser.

 

[nwfisch]

Okay, so those ~5% of players are what we should expect out of him? No. That's Special person. He has 150 previous ML PAs, the random variations for wOBA for 100 and 200 PAs are .5 and .36, respectively. So the random variation for 150, would be about .42. He has a wOBA of .292. If he is in the common 63% of players, which I think he is, his "true" wOBA is in the range of .250 and .334. That whole range sucks. Sure, he could wow me, but I really don't think that is gonna happen.

I can expect that out of him, but that doesn't mean he'll rake MLB pitching, nor do I necessarily think he will.
Forgive me for trying to be optimistic about a prospect. Not everyone can beast like Soto.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Got under the little clown's skin. Good.

Dude's a loser.

you mean like dero did to you for like a year

except he did it on off topic threads instead of derailing threads of topic

look, i dont care if you post jokes and shit..but atleast if you're going to do it...make some thoughtful posts about the subject as well

im just sayin

 

[Captain Obvious]

I can expect that out of him, but that doesn't mean he'll rake MLB pitching, nor do I necessarily think he will.
Forgive me for trying to be optimistic about a prospect. Not everyone can beast like Soto.

If you don't think he will be good, then why expect it?

You're right, not everyone can be the best hitting catcher in baseball in 2010. Especially LaHair, since he can't catch.

 

[nwfisch]

If you don't think he will be good, then why expect it?

You're right, not everyone can be the best hitting catcher in baseball in 2010. Especially LaHair, since he can't catch.

Because I expect the best from everyone, doesn't mean the best will happen from them.

LaHair can't catch :thinking:

He caught the ball at 1st base today.

 

[2SeamHeat]

You don't know what random fluctuation means, do you? Why are you going to base LaHair's future off of 10-15 starts, or under 100 PAs? At 100 PAs, which he won't reach, he still has a random variation of about .5 in his OBP and wOBA. Judging him that prematurely is just stupid. And if he HITS(not gets on base or has an wOBA of...) below 200 you aren't going to give him a ST invite? But let me guess, Colvin gets one, doesn't he?

First off, there's more to getting a look at him during those starts than just the stats. I know, you statheads don't comprehend such. However, you can see the guy's approach at the plate, the mechanics of his swing, how he's making contact, whether or not his swing needs a ton of work... etc. These things, you can't find in any stat... period, but are relied upon by scouts, GMs, coaches, managers, etc as much (and in most cases moreso) as any stat you can dish up or create.

If a guy is hitting .200 and is nailing line drives right at guys... this is different than a guy hitting .150 and is lucky to make contact in more than 70% of his AB. If LaHair is failing to put up numbers, but looking good at the plate... then extend his shot into ST. If he's putting up those numbers in the same situation... I think you begin to rethink the approach on how to rebuild this team over the winter. If he is showing signs of a bad swing, mechanics, or approach... then he goes back to Iowa. He's too old to recreate a swing, or to change his approach without having any substantial experience at this level.

And before you go onto your next ignorant tirade about assuming I don't know what I'm talking about (I actually played and coached this game for many years at levels beyond little league/sandlots with), I'm not saying that stats don't matter. I'm saying that they're not the only things that do matter.

Secondly, I'm not sure Colvin deserves to go to ST with a shot at making the team either. At this point, I'm more inclined to say he's not, but he'll be there nonetheless. I haven't really looked up his stats since coming back up, but he has looked better at the plate than he did before his demotion... but no where near where he was last year.

 

[2SeamHeat]

Ummm... what? When have I ever said anything like that? I have never even said he will start. You're a fucking moron.

It's been said that the one who first begins yelling or calling the other vulgar names... is the one that has lost the debate.

 

[nwfisch]

2SeamHeat deserves an August award :clap:

 

[Captain Obvious]

It's been said that the one who first begins yelling or calling the other vulgar names... is the one that has lost the debate.

The debate of me being Jim Hendry? Yes, I guess I lose that debate. It's true, I am Jim Hendry.

EDIT: Or did you mean the debate of LaHair being a 10-time all-star? I guess I lose that one too. Damn you, common sense!