Bryan LaHair to be called up

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I rest my case. These 3 sentences clearly sum up how clueless you are. There's no help for you.

Playing the game and experiencing it firsthand doesn't make you more intelligent.

Reading books and a silly website make you an expert on baseball.

Some managers in the major leagues know nothing about baseball.

There you have it, guys. CCS' own prodigal son. The baseball genius is right here.

Well then... how does knowing how to hit a fastball make you smarter about baseball? How does that skill make you more intelligent about the game? Does that skill tell you who is better: David Wright or Jose Reyes? No. Then how does it make you more intelligent? Oh wait, you admit it doesn't. So then how am I clueless??

Oh, I'm sorry, Dusty Baker is a great manager. Yes, "clogging the bases" is the right way to win. By not wanting to "clog the bases," he is showing he is very smart and that he indeed knows shit. Of course. Did I say he doesn't know anything? No, I said he doesn't know shit. It's a figure of speech.

Reading books and a "silly" website are going to git me more smartz than playing baseball will. Not that I don't like to play it, but playing it and knowing it are two different things.

I double dog dare you to bring some evidence to the debate and actually prove that I am wrong instead of just stating stupid shit that has nothing to back it up. But I guess that's me being a homer and making pipe dreams, huh?
 

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Well then... how does knowing how to hit a fastball make you smarter about baseball? How does that skill make you more intelligent about the game? Does that skill tell you who is better: David Wright or Jose Reyes? No. Then how does it make you more intelligent? Oh wait, you admit it doesn't. So then how am I clueless??

Oh, I'm sorry, Dusty Baker is a great manager. Yes, "clogging the bases" is the right way to win. By not wanting to "clog the bases," he is showing he is very smart and that he indeed knows shit. Of course. Did I say he doesn't know anything? No, I said he doesn't know shit. It's a figure of speech.

Reading books and a "silly" website are going to git me more smartz than playing baseball will. Not that I don't like to play it, but playing it and knowing it are two different things.

I double dog dare you to bring some evidence to the debate and actually prove that I am wrong instead of just stating stupid shit that has nothing to back it up. But I guess that's me being a homer and making pipe dreams, huh?

The fact that you took that literally is beyond sad. No amount of facepalms could do this response justice.

I can't handle anymore of this stupidity. It's no longer humorous. It's just pathetic. May God have mercy on your clueless soul.
 

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The fact that you took that literally is beyond sad. No amount of facepalms could do this response justice.

I can't handle anymore of this stupidity. It's no longer humorous. It's just pathetic. May God have mercy on your clueless soul.

Use this one next time.

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We'll make this simple, stathead.

Show me where LaHair has sucked STATWISE the past 3 years.

If you do, then he needs to go... period. If he doesn't... it's time for you to STFU... for you'll prove your irrelevance. You attack him like mad, yet nothing from his stats the past 3 years says he shouldn't be given a real shot. Stats mean everything... or are the "big picture" right?

BTW, do your homework. Ruth was a pitcher when he first came up with Boston. He was a good pitcher, but he showed signs of arm issues due to his weight. He also showed this massive potential with a bat... despite putting up less than spectacular numbers through his first three seasons. Wonder why they made him an OF if he couldn't hit. The stats show he wasn't that good. Hmmmmm.....

Excellent ultimatum. Typical poster on here. It's either he is great or he sucks. I'm not saying he is great, nor am I saying he is the worst playing ever, however, I do think that he is going to be a sub-par big leaguer, based off of his previous time at the big league level. I am actually perfectly fine with giving him a shot to be a back up 1B, but let's stop acting like he is going to be good. He put up very good numbers at AAA the last 3 years... as a 26, 27, and 28 y/o. It's just not impressive at all and it doesn't warrant a shot at the big league level when you are that old. I suppose he might have gotten a shot, had we not had Hoffpauir, but that's not the way things worked out.

Yeah, wOBA's of .400, .365, and .414 in his first three seasons aren't spectacular at all. Those numbers suck. Can't imagine why they made him an OFer with numbers like those.... wowzers. Those stats sure do show he wasn't that good. You're so right.
 

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The fact that you took that literally is beyond sad. No amount of facepalms could do this response justice.

I can't handle anymore of this stupidity. It's no longer humorous. It's just pathetic. May God have mercy on your clueless soul.

You're pretty new to this fad called sarcasm, aren't you?
 

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You're pretty new to this fad called sarcasm, aren't you?
:smoke:

You really spent all that time typing a sarcastic response?

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Typical poster on here. It's either he is great or he sucks. I'm not saying he is great, nor am I saying he is the worst playing ever, however, I do think that he is going to be a sub-par big leaguer, based off of his previous time at the big league level. I am actually perfectly fine with giving him a shot to be a back up 1B, but let's stop acting like he is going to be good. He put up very good numbers at AAA the last 3 years... as a 26, 27, and 28 y/o. It's just not impressive at all and it doesn't warrant a shot at the big league level when you are that old. I suppose he might have gotten a shot, had we not had Hoffpauir, but that's not the way things worked out.

Yeah, wOBA's of .400, .365, and .414 in his first three seasons aren't spectacular at all. Those numbers suck. Can't imagine why they made him an OFer with numbers like those.... wowzers. Those stats sure do show he wasn't that good. You're so right.

So he proved you wrong then too :eek:hmy:
 

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Either CO is a really good :troll: or else he's really dense.

It's a combo of both. While I will disagree with the notion that stats are everything... or mostly everything, he does base his ideas on some sense of logic. I've seen much, much worse... from guys who have no clue at all.

And, he does at least put up a fight for what he thinks. I can respect that, whether or not we disagree. I do think he sees things a bit blindly, and that's fine too. As long as you admit that you were wrong when you are proven you are wrong.... and I don't really mind rubbing it in someone's face when you're right, as long as it doesn't go way overboard.
 

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It's a combo of both. While I will disagree with the notion that stats are everything... or mostly everything, he does base his ideas on some sense of logic. I've seen much, much worse... from guys who have no clue at all.

And, he does at least put up a fight for what he thinks. I can respect that, whether or not we disagree. I do think he sees things a bit blindly, and that's fine too. As long as you admit that you were wrong when you are proven you are wrong.... and I don't really mind rubbing it in someone's face when you're right, as long as it doesn't go way overboard.
Well you'll be waiting a long time for that. I haven't seen it in 9 months here.

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Excellent ultimatum. Typical poster on here. It's either he is great or he sucks. I'm not saying he is great, nor am I saying he is the worst playing ever, however, I do think that he is going to be a sub-par big leaguer, based off of his previous time at the big league level. I am actually perfectly fine with giving him a shot to be a back up 1B, but let's stop acting like he is going to be good. He put up very good numbers at AAA the last 3 years... as a 26, 27, and 28 y/o. It's just not impressive at all and it doesn't warrant a shot at the big league level when you are that old. I suppose he might have gotten a shot, had we not had Hoffpauir, but that's not the way things worked out.

Yeah, wOBA's of .400, .365, and .414 in his first three seasons aren't spectacular at all. Those numbers suck. Can't imagine why they made him an OFer with numbers like those.... wowzers. Those stats sure do show he wasn't that good. You're so right.


No... again... reading comprehension. How can I take your "knowledge from books and articles" seriously if you show you can't comprehend what you are reading?

I began all of this by saying that he could suck... he could be good... or he could be just a regular guy coming off the bench. You're the one that brought up the idea that my point was foolish because of a short amount of time. I gave you the reasons why this isn't the case... and you went on to stress stats, stats, stats, stats.... all the while, you begin attacking LaHair.

So, I try to end the argument in an easy manner. I challenge you to show me where LaHair's stat s over the past 3 years show he absolutely sucks. Either you can back up your assessment with stats... or you can't. That's the point.

You balked, and came up with this response.

BTW wOBA is another stat that is highly criticized. You must work for fangraphs or something. The problem with wOBA is the the so-called, and mostly undefined linear weights... which also seem to fluctuate in importance from year to year... as fangraphs has become known for making "off season adjustments".

But hey, keep bringing up modern metrics that weren't even remotely thought possible when Ruth played. Yes, point to stats that didn't exist as to why he was playing in the OF... rather than the stats that did. Brilliant way to defend how a player was assessed.
 

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How likely is LaHair to being an average major league first baseman?

That is the most important question at this point (perhaps the second most important question is can he play passable corner OF defense because if he could then he could be a useful bench guy). What I've said at this point is pretty clear. The odds of him being able to do that aren't that great, and you have to pass up on getting guys that hit above that rate (in some cases by a substantial margin) to truly find that out. If the answer to the first question is as small of a percentage as I think it is then you shouldn't pass on the opportunity to add a player like Fielder (which as 2seam stated way earlier in this debate would shorten the time this team would suck)? If it is likely that Brian LaHair is the next Michael Morse then you have a reason to ignore a historic opportunity at that position in free agency.

All of this is moot since Quade will continue to play the veterans down the stretch because he is convinced that another strong finish will save his job for another year.
 
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How likely is LaHair to being an average major league first baseman?

That is the most important question at this point (perhaps the second most important question is can he play passable corner OF defense because if he could then he could be a useful bench guy). What I've said at this point is pretty clear? The odds of him being able to do that aren't that great, and you have to pass up on getting guys that hit above that rate (in some cases by a substantial margin) to truly find that out. If the answer to the first question is as small of a percentage as I think it is then you shouldn't pass on the opportunity to add a player like Fielder (which as 2seam stated way earlier in this debate would shorten the time this team would suck)? If it is likely that Brian LaHair is the next Michael Morse then you have a reason to ignore a historic opportunity at that position in free agency.

All of this is moot since Quade will continue to play the veterans down the stretch because he is convinced that another strong finish will save his job for another year.

@ Quade :angryfinger:
 

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How does it make you more intelligent? I don't see what knowing how to hit does to make you smarter.

lol you missed the point..its not just the hitting a player does...its basically just playing the game itself...through playing experience you damn well better believe you gain some baseball knowledge as well as gain a different perspective



Excuse me for developing my knowledge of baseball and applying it. Damn those books and articles!

im not questioning your baseball knowledge...i just disagree with you on some things


I would say that the coaching experience would be different for each individual.

no way:rolleyes:...thats not the point either...regardless of the experience, as a coach, you have a responsibility of managing a team to the best of your abilities, and also the most important thing i think it helps you see the game from the perspective of watching the game rather than using hard data(look the data stuff is great and alot of times it tells alot...but i'm telling u again there are certain things it does not cover....like if a goes 0-5 but they know their position on D...they play the count right and they make contact..then i wouldnt say thats as bad as the stats make it seem)

Let's hypothetically say that these managers and coaches don't have a good understanding of the game, they aren't paid, they can keep coming back as long as they want(you get the idea).

if this is a hypothetical regarding a professional baseball team..then this almost would never happen..but even in a lower level...do you really think you manage a team(or,in a sense, teach players) if you have little knowledge of the game?

Dusty Baker is knowledgeable? I would certainly disagree with that statement, as he doesn't like to clog the bases. And that's exactly my point, even MLB managers don't know shit.

A.You're using one outlier example

B.How do you know that Dusty Baker is not knowledgable? Just because he makes a dumb move or two?

C. I hate how people get so condescending that they think they are smarter than MLB managers...those guys are professional coaches for a reason...they manage the best...and maybe some have more knowledge than other...but basically the manager job is somewhat of a teaching job...and in any teaching job..you have to know alot more than just what you are teaching

Soriano looks like shit in the field, agreed? But he is still average. Darwin Barney hustles a lot. But he still sucks. Your eyes are going to fool you.

you're missing the point,again

im not saying that how their defense looks is the most important(you neglect to say how soriano and barney look at the plate or in other situations)..nor did i say how they look on the fields trumps everything...more or less i said i think its something that should be incorporated in judging a player...because again stats can not describe every aspect of a player...thats why in some way every stat is flawed

im saying that there is a reason they have scouts that actually LOOK at players....if we could just look at stats and determine the players from there, then what's the point of going out to scout players?
 

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It's a combo of both. While I will disagree with the notion that stats are everything... or mostly everything, he does base his ideas on some sense of logic. I've seen much, much worse... from guys who have no clue at all.

And, he does at least put up a fight for what he thinks. I can respect that, whether or not we disagree. I do think he sees things a bit blindly, and that's fine too. As long as you admit that you were wrong when you are proven you are wrong.... and I don't really mind rubbing it in someone's face when you're right, as long as it doesn't go way overboard.

+1...CO really isnt that dumb lol just because he seems to disagree with alot of people on here

and honestly some of the people that call CO dumb havent made a thoughtful post in the cubs forum in a while
 

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I can throw numbers and say they are the end all stat, but they're not. Just because CO can't watch the games on TV doesn't mean that numbers are the only way to go.
 

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I feel like this thread just set baseball back 20 years.
 

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