Bulls 2022 Offseason Discussion Thread (FREE AGENCY)

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Yeah for sure. When the Bulls drafted him they knew he was a very raw prospect that was going to take time but they believed he had the highest superstar potential. Going into year 3, he needs to be more consistent and play at a level closer to an all star as opposed to just a guy….
Yeah this is a key offseason for him to take a leap. It really sucks that he lost most of last year, but he still managed to show some flashes so hopefully he can get a full season in next year and show out. It may not necessarily show in the numbers as he's probably still at best the 3rd or 4th option, but it'll show in his aggression.
 

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Yeah this is a key offseason for him to take a leap. It really sucks that he lost most of last year, but he still managed to show some flashes so hopefully he can get a full season in next year and show out. It may not necessarily show in the numbers as he's probably still at best the 3rd or 4th option, but it'll show in his aggression.
Yep. He can’t be timid and needs to be comfortable being aggressive playing with Demar, Vuc, and presumably Zach. His raw numbers don’t need to be crazy, but needs to be aggressive and efficient. I’d like to see his rebounding numbers go up too. Bulls struggled on the boards and if he’s going to be a 4th option, he needs to clean the glass and tighten up his D
 

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I'd be interested in Robinson depending on price (although he is injury prone which is the last thing we need). We have talked about it before but i'm a hell no on Gobert due to that contract. I don't want to be paying him 46 million in 2026.
 

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I'd be interested in Robinson depending on price (although he is injury prone which is the last thing we need). We have talked about it before but i'm a hell no on Gobert due to that contract. I don't want to be paying him 46 million in 2026.
Agreed. Especially with zero offensive game
 

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Agreed. Especially with zero offensive game
And yet, the guy managed to score 15.6PPG on a league best FG% and TS%, aside from being the best big man defender in the game

Yeah, who on earth would want that?! ?
 

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And yet, the guy managed to score 15.6PPG on a league best FG% and TS%, aside from being the best big man defender in the game

Yeah, who on earth would want that?! ?
It will be interesting seeing him play with someone else. Im a prop bettor so I watched him a good bit. Mitchell would literally not pass him the ball wide open. He is kind of soft around the rim. He can get bullied and his hands arent the best. They dont seem to be very strong. He can also get taken advantage by smaller lineups.

But, its weird in today NBA. Centers are pretty soft around the rim. There is no reason Gobert, Ayton, Bam shouldnt be able to bully their way to the basket but they rarely do.

Maybe playing with a willing passer that likes him will help his O. Defensive end he is as good as it gets as a C in todays league.
 

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It will be interesting seeing him play with someone else. Im a prop bettor so I watched him a good bit. Mitchell would literally not pass him the ball wide open. He is kind of soft around the rim. He can get bullied and his hands arent the best. They dont seem to be very strong. He can also get taken advantage by smaller lineups.

But, its weird in today NBA. Centers are pretty soft around the rim. There is no reason Gobert, Ayton, Bam shouldnt be able to bully their way to the basket but they rarely do.

Maybe playing with a willing passer that likes him will help his O. Defensive end he is as good as it gets as a C in todays league.
The smaller lineups are a real issue, agreed

Soft? I dunno, like you said, they are basically all soft in today’s NBA lol
 

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And yet, the guy managed to score 15.6PPG on a league best FG% and TS%, aside from being the best big man defender in the game

Yeah, who on earth would want that?! ?
On that contract? Not too many people other than yourself lol…not sure why you’re bringing up his FG% and TS% since his offense consists of lobs and put backs, they should be high. He has no offensive game beyond that. For a team with shooting issues, it would certainly be interesting to watch BD try to create spacing.

That said, I do like Gobert but that contract is ugly. I’ve said it before, but paying two max contracts to Gobert and LaVine to guys who aren’t the best player on a championship team is bad business. I’d rather the Bulls sign Mitchell Robinson, Montrezl Harrell, or Andre Drummond. They all have similar skill sets (not as good as Gobert) but would be infinitely more fiscally responsible.
 

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On that contract? Not too many people other than yourself lol…not sure why you’re bringing up his FG% and TS% since his offense consists of lobs and put backs, they should be high. He has no offensive game beyond that. For a team with shooting issues, it would certainly be interesting to watch BD try to create spacing.

That said, I do like Gobert but that contract is ugly. I’ve said it before, but paying two max contracts to Gobert and LaVine to guys who aren’t the best player on a championship team is bad business. I’d rather the Bulls sign Mitchell Robinson, Montrezl Harrell, or Andre Drummond. They all have similar skill sets (not as good as Gobert) but would be infinitely more fiscally responsible.
Yes, he shoots around the basket(lobs and dunks mostly). Is that a bad thing that he plays within his abilities and leads the league in FG% and TS%? It’s not like he’s the only big in the league that only shoots around the rim. Fact is he’s the best in the league at what he does

Bulls would be replacing Vuc(a guy that was shooting us out of games most the year) with Gobert(a guy that makes the shots he takes).

The bulls FG% would go up, so not sure how it hurts the bulls shooting. Not to mention the multitude of other ways Gobert can open up the bulls offense. Gobert obviously wasn’t hurting Utah’s offense.

If the contract is the reason you don’t want him, fine. But no need to try and make up other things to fit that narrative
 

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Yes, he shoots around the basket(lobs and dunks mostly). Is that a bad thing that he plays within his abilities and leads the league in FG% and TS%? It’s not like he’s the only big in the league that only shoots around the rim. Fact is he’s the best in the league at what he does

Bulls would be replacing Vuc(a guy that was shooting us out of games most the year) with Gobert(a guy that makes the shots he takes).

The bulls FG% would go up, so not sure how it hurts the bulls shooting. Not to mention the multitude of other ways Gobert can open up the bulls offense. Gobert obviously wasn’t hurting Utah’s offense.

If the contract is the reason you don’t want him, fine. But no need to try and make up other things to fit that narrative
Correct. Say the contract all you want, but any other argument is nonsense. Gobert is exactly what the bulls need at center and would instantly make the team significantly better.
 

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Not sure what narrative you’re referring to. He has no offensive game outside of lobs/put backs and the Bulls spacing would certainly get worse than it is now. As much as Vuc struggled from outside this year, there’s no debate that he’s the better shooter and provides more spacing

All that said, the contract (and trade capital) is the main factor I don’t want Gobert. Again, two max contracts for guys who aren’t the best (or even second best) on a championship team is bad business.
 

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If only we could get Gobert, but only have to pay Vucevic's contract lol
 

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Correct. Say the contract all you want, but any other argument is nonsense. Gobert is exactly what the bulls need at center and would instantly make the team significantly better.
Keep them making the playoffs better? Or competing with Miami Boston Philly better?(second part obviously makes them both). I’m just not interested in a team that just is good enough to make the playoffs. That’s good for Jerry not for fans. If the moves don’t keep them up with the best they are just to help the bottom line no interest in that
 

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I'd take Gobert. Personally, I'm tired of watching camp out at the 3 point line and clank 3 after 3. At least Gobert knows his role and executes it. I'm fine without the inconsistent play of Vuc. Too often we need him to step up and he doesn't. At least you can rely on Gobert to do what's expected of him.

We need more scoring though for sure. Not sure where that's gonna come from. I'm not sold on Williams taking that leap we need him to. He's too passive for my liking.
 

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Bulls supposedly interested in PJ Tucker

this is probably a much more likely scenario than Gobert, grant, etc
 

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this is probably a much more likely scenario than Gobert, grant, etc
I like this move if true. Tucker is super old now, but brings all those intangibles that this team needs from a vet and can still be a rotation player/starter even despite his age.
 

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Might even be able to scrape a vet min for him since he's so old...but even if not still a very productive player for his age
PJ opted out of his final year with Miami, set to make $7.4 mil. So, I imagine he opted out thinking he can get a 2 or 3 year deal worth around that annually. Otherwise, why opt out to just take a vets min?
 

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