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Must be different than in the other sports then. In the other mainstream sports the owner does basically nothing.
Must be different than in the other sports then. In the other mainstream sports the owner does basically nothing.
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How did that work out for you? I stayed with my Bulls. I didn't jump ship to the Lakers like a lot of people did. I meant what team. Didn't have to get all pissy.
Well, you missed some good times, because even though some of those teams were God awful, they were still fun to watch at times. And it was fun watching to them slowly build back up to being good. I'm sorry, i don't just abandon my team when they are not doing so well.
Well they won the game and I watched it and I was happy. So you're basically saying that you're only a fan when they win and disown them if they suck. Did I misinterpret that?
Did I upset you in some way that I'm not aware of? I've watched every draft since 83 so I've been here just as long. Plus as I've stated numerous times, that I worked for the Bulls & Sox and been to every home game from 93-96.
I've always stated that I'm a Bulls fan first and foremost, more than the league or any player. I love the NBA also. I feel and you can feel free to disagree because I know you will, that you tend to prop up other players from other teams and downplay players on the Bulls. I know I'm not the only one that feels that way. I could be wrong, but I think you do that.
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I liked Rusty Larue!!! he sucked, but I liked the guy. Jerome Williams was fun to watch also.
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The whole fanbase has got to be growing. I'm sure there are plenty of people who stopped watching after Jordan left in '99 also. Good points by all of you.
It's sad but I have a similar situation in my area w/ now former Bulls shit talkers wanting to bandwagon. I just completely ignore them. Not worth the time. The bandwagon Heat fans are the worst though.
It's sad but I have a similar situation in my area w/ now former Bulls shit talkers wanting to bandwagon. I just completely ignore them. Not worth the time. The bandwagon Heat fans are the worst though.
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where are you from?
Im just wondering... I see your sig, and you're a fan of the niners, tar heels, bulls, mariners and penguins..
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I live about an hour southwest of Pittsburgh in the northern panhandle of WV
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The Bulls have had a huge fan base since the 90's. I've noticed more bandwagon fans than usual joining the Bulls cause over the last year or so.
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Yup, whole life. As far as why for each of the pro teams..it was all about the 90's. Growing up during the Jordan era for the Bulls, Griffey for the M's, Rice & Young for the Niners & Pens are the local.
All those were hot in the 90's & I grew up in a house where we didn't all follow the Steelers or Pirates. Can't stand Steeler fans...an obnoxious & ignorant fanbase. They alwayed talked shit on anything that isn't Pittsburgh. Well, my Niners whooped their ass so its all quiet now. Haha
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You think I prop up players on other teams based on......me not hating Lebron? Not thinking Rondo is a bad player? Not hating anybody that doesn't wear the Bulls jersey? I guess I see myself as objective and a realist. I think you and I buy into different modes of thinking when it comes to fandom. Many fans believe there is a distinct difference between fans and fanatics, others think they are one and the same. I believe some go to far...I happen to not be a fanatic.
I love the Bulls and root for their success, but I am not going to take time out of a day to watch 82 games of suckage bit by bit. I have other things I would rather do. Once I know a team sucks, I stop watching...I saw a great deal of Jordan, Frank Thomas, Sammy Sosa, Brian Urlacher...if their teams sucked, they were not as interesting to watch to me.
I don't tolerate bad sports too much, its not fun to watch to me. Just the way it is.
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Here's the thing though, it's really hard to call someone a "bandwagon" fan. Many of you guys may have been Bulls fans from birth through living in Chicago or through your family, but my family has no interest in sports and even though I was born in Chicago, I moved when I was really young. I'm only 17 years old, so what got me back into Chicago Bulls basketball was Ben Wallace signing in Chicago in 2006. I casually observed in 2006, really jumped on the bandwagon in 2007, and became an absolute die-hard in 2008. So I really did jump on a bandwagon didn't I? I mean it was one of the shittiest bandwagons I've seen, led by Kirk Hinrich and Luol Deng, but I mean no one becomes a fan of a team that sucks right? Even many of you guys, who I don't doubt are die-hard fans, became fans during the Jordan era. I mean you had to decide to be a fan sometime right? Couldn't people have said you jumped on the Michael Jordan bandwagon?
That's why to me, I really don't care what level of fan you are. If the Bulls win and you've been around through the thick and thin, it will mean more to you whether others know it or not. It really doesn't matter outside of that. And when you think about it, there are people who watch plenty of games who propose stupid ideas and people who watch barely any who say smart things. Judge people based on that content.
Other than that, I really don't care what level fan you are. If you're giving my team money to be successful, more power to ya.
That's why to me, I really don't care what level of fan you are. If the Bulls win and you've been around through the thick and thin, it will mean more to you whether others know it or not. It really doesn't matter outside of that. And when you think about it, there are people who watch plenty of games who propose stupid ideas and people who watch barely any who say smart things. Judge people based on that content.
Other than that, I really don't care what level fan you are. If you're giving my team money to be successful, more power to ya.
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It's not about you hating other players. I hate lebron, but I respect his game (limited as it is.) I don't respect Rondo though.
Yes we do differ. Differ in the fact that you don't support the team when times get tough. You bail on them like everyone else does. I have a friend that acts like a die hard fan now, but 6 years ago when I would talk Bulls to him, he wasn't trying to hear it. Saying things like he hopes they always suck because of the Dynasty fiasco. I appreciate these good days because I was there during the bad. I was also there during the best days. The first game I ever went to was Game 5 of the 1993 NBA Finals.
My White Sox sucked after the strike, but where was I? Still their rooting them on. I was pissed about the Albert Belle signing, the White Flag trade, the "these kids can play" campaign, the rebirth in 2000, Frank getting hosed on the MVP losing to a steroid user. I went through the heartbreak of 2003 when they lost out on missing the playoffs by laying eggs to Minny in the last week of the season. That's why 2005 was so sweet because I went through the tough times with my team and stuck by them when it got tough.
Hell, in 1998 when they were 81-81, I was working in a Cubs haven and still wore my Sox stuff proudly.
I don't know, maybe it works for you to bail when things get tough, saves you the heartache. I just don't respect people that quit on things when it's not looking favorable.
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I watched the Bulls in the 1980's...when Jordan was hurt...I wasn't interested. You can accuse me of being fair weather...I was 10!!!
With all due respect...it ain't a got damn marriage, its a sports team. You call it bailing out, I call it finding other things to do. Everything you say you saw...I saw. I never stopped being a Bulls fan, I never stopped being a Sox fan...I just don't want to watch bad basketball/baseball/football no matter who the team is.
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Couldn't agree with you more. Sports are not your friends or family, your career, or your religion. They are entertainment for our enjoyment. Too many people have too much of their personal identity wrapped up in professional sports teams.
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Great thread and some excellent points have been made.
I've been a Bulls fan since the early 70s and I remember watching Boerwinkle, Bob Love, Van Lier, and Sloan play, But to be honest, at the time I was only a fan because The Bulls were the local team. I wasn't really interested in basketball because I didn't understand the game because I didn't watch the games because I wasn't really interested in basketball. To me it was just a bunch of really tall guys running around and bouncing a ball trying to find one guy who was open so he could throw it through a hoop.
All of that changed during the Jordan era, though. He made me get interested in basketball. I started watching and I learned that there were actual set plays. I learned about the triangle offense, screens, posts and the different roles that different positions play in the game. As I learned more about the game it became much more interesting to watch and of course having a great team to watch didn't hurt either. But it was more than that. I actually cared about the players, even the bench/role players. I liked them and had a personal interest in wanting them to succeed.
I did quit watching the Bulls after they won their 6th championship, but not for the same reasons a lot of people did. That was the year I moved to Topeka and it was much harder to follow the team down here than it was in the Chicago suburbs. KC has no basketball team so their sports coverage is pretty much college ball, golf and NASCAR. I didn't have a computer at the time and the Bulls weren't on National TV nearly as much as they were during their two championship runs. I still read the box scores and rooted for them on occasion when I caught a game on WGN America. But there were so many changes post-Jordan that they just didn't feel like my Bulls. I didn't know who the players were, didn't get to watch much and they weren't very good, so I kind of lost interest.
I became a K-State and KU fan because it's everywhere here. When Jayhawk Alum Kirk Heinrich became a bull, I started paying attention again because I was a fan of him. With a fast computer and a broadband internet connection along with streaming radio, high quality streaming live video of most games I gradually started following the Bulls again more closely. After adding Noah and Rose, the Bulls became exciting again and now I am as passionate about the team as I ever was.
Does that make me a "fair weather" fan or make me not as good of a person as a "die-hard" fan because I wasn't following the Bulls closely after Jordan retired? I don't think so. I had a new romance, was assimilating to a new much different town and getting a new business off the ground. Basketball just wasn't that important to me.
I love your passion for the bulls and admire your dedication to sticking with the team through thick and thin, but when you say you don't "respect" someone because he is not as big a fan as you are, I have an issue with that. You act like the casual fan has an obligation to support the team no matter what and there is something morally wrong with them if they don't. It's just basketball - entertainment. Supporting the local team is not the same thing as supporting your country or even your home town. If someone doesn't want to watch a lousy product, he shouldn't have to.
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It sounds like Glide might be one of those people. Have a little perspective!
I've been a Bulls fan since the early 70s and I remember watching Boerwinkle, Bob Love, Van Lier, and Sloan play, But to be honest, at the time I was only a fan because The Bulls were the local team. I wasn't really interested in basketball because I didn't understand the game because I didn't watch the games because I wasn't really interested in basketball. To me it was just a bunch of really tall guys running around and bouncing a ball trying to find one guy who was open so he could throw it through a hoop.
All of that changed during the Jordan era, though. He made me get interested in basketball. I started watching and I learned that there were actual set plays. I learned about the triangle offense, screens, posts and the different roles that different positions play in the game. As I learned more about the game it became much more interesting to watch and of course having a great team to watch didn't hurt either. But it was more than that. I actually cared about the players, even the bench/role players. I liked them and had a personal interest in wanting them to succeed.
I did quit watching the Bulls after they won their 6th championship, but not for the same reasons a lot of people did. That was the year I moved to Topeka and it was much harder to follow the team down here than it was in the Chicago suburbs. KC has no basketball team so their sports coverage is pretty much college ball, golf and NASCAR. I didn't have a computer at the time and the Bulls weren't on National TV nearly as much as they were during their two championship runs. I still read the box scores and rooted for them on occasion when I caught a game on WGN America. But there were so many changes post-Jordan that they just didn't feel like my Bulls. I didn't know who the players were, didn't get to watch much and they weren't very good, so I kind of lost interest.
I became a K-State and KU fan because it's everywhere here. When Jayhawk Alum Kirk Heinrich became a bull, I started paying attention again because I was a fan of him. With a fast computer and a broadband internet connection along with streaming radio, high quality streaming live video of most games I gradually started following the Bulls again more closely. After adding Noah and Rose, the Bulls became exciting again and now I am as passionate about the team as I ever was.
Does that make me a "fair weather" fan or make me not as good of a person as a "die-hard" fan because I wasn't following the Bulls closely after Jordan retired? I don't think so. I had a new romance, was assimilating to a new much different town and getting a new business off the ground. Basketball just wasn't that important to me.
I love your passion for the bulls and admire your dedication to sticking with the team through thick and thin, but when you say you don't "respect" someone because he is not as big a fan as you are, I have an issue with that. You act like the casual fan has an obligation to support the team no matter what and there is something morally wrong with them if they don't. It's just basketball - entertainment. Supporting the local team is not the same thing as supporting your country or even your home town. If someone doesn't want to watch a lousy product, he shouldn't have to.
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It sounds like Glide might be one of those people. Have a little perspective!
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if you pay attention less when your team sucks,you're still a fan are you not?
the only people i dont like are serious bandwagoners...moreso guys who jump from team to team it seems every year...basically if you have a team stick with it...but that doesnt mean when the team sucks you still have to be completely dedicated...i think that hurts the fan experience....
the only people i dont like are serious bandwagoners...moreso guys who jump from team to team it seems every year...basically if you have a team stick with it...but that doesnt mean when the team sucks you still have to be completely dedicated...i think that hurts the fan experience....
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I understand what you're saying man. I guess I'm just willing to go through the down times more-so than others.
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I never said they had to. I'm just saying, I never left. What I don't respect is a person who is all on the team's nuts while they are winning, but then acts like he never was a fan when they aren't.
I've had people tell me they were more Jordan fans than Bulls fans. And these were people from Chicago. Conversations end for me right there. I identify with the Bulls because they work hard and rep my City. People that completely bail on the team and only come back when it looks like might win it all again just piss me off. Of course they don't have to watch all 82 games every season, but to say that they only watch when they are winning just doesn't sit well with me.
To me, you gotta go through the bad in order to really appreciate the good and be able to reflect on the dark times. But I guess I'm the only one that feels that way. Sox, Bulls, Bears are who I root for passionately. I have players in each sport that I follow closely, but I'm not a fan of their team at all.
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The Bulls situation is a little unique because of what happened with Krause and Phil. It's one thing if the golden era ends on its own. We all knew it had to end some time. But it's quite another thing to force the fans to choose between Phil and Krause. When I say choose between Phil and Krause, I'm not talking about becoming Lakers fans. I'm actually referring to Bulls fans not accepting Krause out of resentment. To a lot of people, Jordan, Pippen, and Phil were the Bulls far more than Krause. I think a lot of people took a hiatus (but they didnt follow other teams)during this time for various reasons and many of those reasons go back to Krause and it's not even so much that the team became really bad after being so great for so long.
I think to a lot of people, when you say that you were offering stalwart support through those years, you're also saying that you were blindly supporting Quisling Krause. I think a lot of people would see that there are times when the greater good is for fans not support the mgt because of loyalty to the people like Jordan, Pippen, and Phil (who they more strongly see as real Bulls).
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