Bulls meet with UNC's Barnes

[CODE_BLUE56]

Barnes is good but he's basically a more athletic Deng at the SG spot. Doesn't have much handle, isn't a tremendous shooter(yet). Dude's good but not really a stud or a difference maker. I'd rather have Lamb than Barnes..and rather have Beal than both

pretty much..except deng is light years ahead of barnes defensively and a better rebounder

Barnes can play,really, either SF or SG because of his height...which position he plays would probably deal with convenience

and i agree on the rest of it

 

[Diddy1122]

Wouldn't you rather go Beal than Barnes?

Of course, but in my fantasy deal there would be no need to draft Beal if Evans is coming to us in a trade. If that deal happened, there's a strong possibility MKG would be gone before the 5th pick. Next best SF prospect is Barnes, so that's who the logical choice would be.

All hypotheticals, but yes I would rather have Beal over Barnes, or MKG over Barnes, or Robinson over Barnes, hell possibly even Lamb.

 

[Axl Rose]

i dont want tyreke

dude sucks

 

[Diddy1122]

i dont want tyreke

dude sucks

Yea 18-5-5 are atrocious career numbers. Why would we want that at our 2-guard spot when we can trade Boozer for the savior BG7?

 

[Chi-Town Brahma]

Being a UNC fan living in NC, I've watched him closely the last few years. If he falls as far as the Bulls pick, it wouldn't be a bad pick. Like someone pointed out he may have an upside, I haven't seen it, but it may be there.

I was disappointed he came out early he needs more time at the college level to fix his game. The NBA will expose problems, not fix them, his mediocre jump shot being the biggest glaring error, well that and no post game, not particularly a good passer. As of right now, he would be a bench player in the NBA.

I wish him the best...

Yeah, I was disappointed a little bit too that he didn't stay to his junior year. Cause he needed one more year. I'm not sure how well he'll do initially in the league. We'll see.

 

[zack54attack]

I was disappointed at times with Barnes at UNC. At times he just flat out looked horrible, but there were also times he took over games.

He won some games for them single handedly during his two seasons. Even against Kentucky in the NCAA tournament 2 years ago, he brought them back within 2 points.

The problem for him was when Marshall got hurt. He couldn't create anything.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Yea 18-5-5 are atrocious career numbers. Why would we want that at our 2-guard spot when we can trade Boozer for the savior BG7?

his PPG has gotten worse every year, and he plays on a pretty terrible team

he's a bit volume, doesn't really have an outside shot, and he's a bit undersized

trade boozer for him?

maybe..if you can get it to work

 

[clonetrooper264]

his PPG has gotten worse every year, and he plays on a pretty terrible team

he's a bit volume, doesn't really have an outside shot, and he's a bit undersized

trade boozer for him?

maybe..if you can get it to work

All the same, the talent is there. I think he works better playing PG seeing as that's what he played his rookie season and then got moved to SG after. I'd trade Boozer for him no question. He's a playmaker and that's sorely needed on this team. Plus if he really does do better at PG, he'd be able to fill that role for at least half the season while Rose is out. The lack of an outside shot might hurt him a bit, but he can hit it occasionally. He's got a decent midrange game I believe.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

All the same, the talent is there. I think he works better playing PG seeing as that's what he played his rookie season and then got moved to SG after. I'd trade Boozer for him no question. He's a playmaker and that's sorely needed on this team. Plus if he really does do better at PG, he'd be able to fill that role for at least half the season while Rose is out. The lack of an outside shot might hurt him a bit, but he can hit it occasionally. He's got a decent midrange game I believe.

that's the thing..if you can trade boozer for him.. no question you do it

good points....i just think reke is fit more as a PG than a SG, and that works for a while but then he gets moved to off guard when rose comes back and he is undersized there and i don't think that is what he is most comfortable

i think the playmaking/creating his own shot would be very important

i pointed out a couple things because it seemed like he was getting overrated a bit

 

[Chi-Town Brahma]

I was disappointed at times with Barnes at UNC. At times he just flat out looked horrible, but there were also times he took over games.

He won some games for them single handedly during his two seasons. Even against Kentucky in the NCAA tournament 2 years ago, he brought them back within 2 points.

The problem for him was when Marshall got hurt. He couldn't create anything.

:yep: Agree with you & Code on not being able to create much.

I enjoyed having him in Carolina Blue.....but there were plenty of times where he just got lost within the offense and that forced guards like Bullock, Hairston & Strickland (when healthy) to try and do too much.

Oh well, I wish him the best as a pro. We'll see what happens.

 

[clonetrooper264]

that's the thing..if you can trade boozer for him.. no question you do it

good points....i just think reke is fit more as a PG than a SG, and that works for a while but then he gets moved to off guard when rose comes back and he is undersized there and i don't think that is what he is most comfortable

i think the playmaking/creating his own shot would be very important

i pointed out a couple things because it seemed like he was getting overrated a bit

He's listed at 6'6" and 220 IIRC, so you might be overplaying the undersized bit. By those measurements, he's about average. But yeah he is more comfortable as a PG rather than a SG. Still...two playmakers on the floor at the same time is valuable. Honestly, I think that the fit isn't that great other than the fact that we have 2 playmakers. I suppose it could work in a way, but they might be more effective giving each other a break (that is, not playing at the same time). Then again, I suppose they could be like Lebron and Wade in the sense that they're two ball dominant guys sorta just taking turns.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

He's listed at 6'6" and 220 IIRC, so you might be overplaying the undersized bit. By those measurements, he's about average. But yeah he is more comfortable as a PG rather than a SG. Still...two playmakers on the floor at the same time is valuable. Honestly, I think that the fit isn't that great other than the fact that we have 2 playmakers. I suppose it could work in a way, but they might be more effective giving each other a break (that is, not playing at the same time). Then again, I suppose they could be like Lebron and Wade in the sense that they're two ball dominant guys sorta just taking turns.

yea i dont think 'reke works very well with another ball dominant guard..that's the real issue you can get with two playmakers: you have to find them a way to co-exist

crap, i though 'reke was like 6'4 or 6'5..forgot how tall he was

 

[clonetrooper264]

yea i dont think 'reke works very well with another ball dominant guard..that's the real issue you can get with two playmakers: you have to find them a way to co-exist

crap, i though 'reke was like 6'4 or 6'5..forgot how tall he was

Well it's all a matter of attitude. It works with Wade and Lebron and it works with Durant and Westbrook to name a couple examples. So theoretically, it can work for Rose and Evans...if they're both cool with it. Though considering that makeup of the team, there's plenty of shots for both of them.

 

[Diddy1122]

that's the thing..if you can trade boozer for him.. no question you do it

good points....i just think reke is fit more as a PG than a SG, and that works for a while but then he gets moved to off guard when rose comes back and he is undersized there and i don't think that is what he is most comfortable

i think the playmaking/creating his own shot would be very important

i pointed out a couple things because it seemed like he was getting overrated a bit

First off, explain to me how 6-6 is undersized for a 2 guard? It's the ideal size! Even if he's really 6-5, that's not undersized either. If 6-6 is undersized, then the majority of the league is undersized at the 2 guard position.

And who is overrating Evans? No one. I simply stated his career numbers, which are damn good for a starting 2 so far in his career.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Well it's all a matter of attitude. It works with Wade and Lebron and it works with Durant and Westbrook to name a couple examples. So theoretically, it can work for Rose and Evans...if they're both cool with it. Though considering that makeup of the team, there's plenty of shots for both of them.

meh idk if it's right to compare wade and lebron,durant and westbrook

to rose and evans

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

First off, explain to me how 6-6 is undersized for a 2 guard? It's the ideal size! Even if he's really 6-5, that's not undersized either. If 6-6 is undersized, then the majority of the league is undersized at the 2 guard position.

And who is overrating Evans? No one. I simply stated his career numbers, which are damn good for a starting 2 so far in his career.

if you look at Evan's career numbers..that's overrating him because it's not looking at context

anywho, don't freak out about the undersized part i already owned up to that mistake

 

[Diddy1122]

if you look at Evan's career numbers..that's overrating him because it's not looking at context

anywho, don't freak out about the undersized part i already owned up to that mistake

I saw that after I posted & believe me I'm not freaking out about anything.

Yea career numbers don't tell the whole story but it's not really overrating him either. Those are his numbers. I was just stating a fact in respone to someone who said "he sux" which is hardly the case.

 

[clonetrooper264]

meh idk if it's right to compare wade and lebron,durant and westbrook

to rose and evans

Perhaps not...but those were the only examples I could think of. Obviously both those tandems are on another level than what Rose and Evans would be. Still...I think that they could potentially be a notch under them.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I saw that after I posted & believe me I'm not freaking out about anything.

seemed like you were making a big deal about it..whatever not really important anyway

Yea career numbers don't tell the whole story but it's not really overrating him either. Those are his numbers. I was just stating a fact in respone to someone who said "he sux" which is hardly the case.

well the idea is that his career number misrepresent a little the player he is currently..as i pointed out,specifically, his PPG has decreased every year..and his rpg and apg decreased as well...so

numbers may be accurate, but that doesn't mean,depending on how you use them(like the scope of the stats), they can make a player look better than they actually are

no, tyreke definitely doesn't suck, but i think there are some things about him that the bulls should be cautious about

if somehow you can trade boozer for him(without giving up anything extra that would border unreasonable)...i would think that you should do it though...i mean, he is only 22

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Perhaps not...but those were the only examples I could think of. Obviously both those tandems are on another level than what Rose and Evans would be. Still...I think that they could potentially be a notch under them.

ellis and jennings is another one

i see what you were getting..my only thing is that, as you said in this post, rose and evans would be a notch below those guys as a duo imo.

I'm not sure how comfortable evans is sharing the ball and playing a bit of off guard

but then again..we really have no idea how rose and evans would mesh...sooo....:shrug: