C.R.E.A.M. -- Texas Edition

[MassHavoc]

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Well, if this civil case hits and they win? And seeing that one of the victims has a medical bill so far in the 7 figures that ANY jury is going to give anyway...</p>


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If 20 mill get award, you have done something to a rich person far worse than prison. You will make them poor. </p>


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I mean, I dont KNOW for sure as I think I read this family's income was like 6 mill a year, but 20 mill in straight hard assets is a HUGE hit.  </p>
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who's learning consequences now... haha. I say give it to them. Why not. If they are going to set horrible precedence with affluenza might as well set more with this.</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

Hey, i am actually ok with that... No, no son you dont go to jail. Your family is now broke.</p>


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THAT is American Justice. </p>


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SING IT BILL!!</p>


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luyPjSaBg4E</p>


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[winos5]

I'm sure families of other victims will sue as well, and rightly so.</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

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I'm sure families of other victims will sue as well, and rightly so.</p>
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I *believe* that is what the 20mill is, a combination of all the families, but dont hold me to that...</p>


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If not? You are damn right that they should all sue. Turn this family poor. </p>

 

[roshinaya]

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My client was raised in poverty, from a broken home, never knew his father and his often absent mother never taught him the difference between right and wrong.   JAIL!!!!</p>
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Sounds like a case of 'negrobetes'</p>

 

[IceHogsFan]

Saw a great discussion of this on CNN this morning. The whole affluenza or whatever they are calling it is was not the defenses presentation but the opinion of a psychologist that was giving an opinion on the stand. Also the severity of the ruling is much worse then many realize. They also discussed what my point of view was early on. You are talking about a juvenile here, not an adult. They also stated that is was highly unlikely that this affluenza opinion was taken into consideration when making their ruling.</p>


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I wish I could find a replay of the discussion.</p>


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Sadly, it makes for big headlines though............</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/18/da-wants-new-charges-against-affluenza-teen-ethan-couch/4108667/</p>


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DA wants new charges against 'affluenza' teen


TARRANT COUNTY, Texas - There is a new effort to put a teenage drunk driver behind bars.</p>


Ethan Couch was the 16-year-old driver in a crash that killed four people this past summer: Brian Jennings, Hollie and Shelby Boyles, and Breanna Mitchell. Police said Couch's blood alcohol level was three times the legal limit. Couch was sentenced to 10 years probation, with no road for appeal, and must attend a private counseling center, to be paid for by his father.</p>


The district attorney is now turning his attention to two teens that were severely injured in the crash.</p>


Sergio Molina and Solimon Mohmand were riding in the back of Ethan Couch's truck the night he admits he drove drunk and caused the accident. Mohmand's body lies broken, with internal injuries. Molina now paralyzed; blinking is his only way to communicate.</p>


Six months later, a juvenile district judge's sentence for Couch drew outrage across the nation.</p>


Tarrant County prosecutors told CBS 11 in Fort Worth, Texas they could not find a legal reason to appeal the judge's decision. But now District Attorney Joe Shannon wants new trials for injuries Couch's passengers suffered.</p>


"During his recent trial, the 16-year-old admitted his guilt in four cases of intoxication manslaughter and two cases of intoxication assault. There has been no verdict formally entered in the two intoxication assault cases. Every case deserves a verdict," Shannon said. "The District Attorney's Office is asking the court to incarcerate the teen on the two intoxication assault cases."</p>


The maximum sentence Couch faces on those charges is three years behind bars.</p>


We're also learning more about Couch's parents, both of whom have</p>


long criminal records</p>


. According to the Johnson County Sheriff's Office, Fred Couch was arrested for DWI in 1992, criminal mischief in 1994, and allegedly assaulting his wife in 1996. All told, Fred Couch has 22 separate incidents on his record.</p>


Ethan Couch's mother, Tonya, was charged with reckless driving in 2003.</p>


During the trial, Ethan Couch's attorneys argued the teen was not responsible for his actions because his parents were not involved and gave him everything he wanted. One defense psychologist called it "affluenza."</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

Even MORE better-est! Put him in jail AND sue the family! Even if the punk is only in jail for a month, it is better than nothing. Get his name in the system.</p>


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(I also should mention that DUI stuff hold a... hot button/soft spot for me, so i may be showing some less than rational comments.)</p>

 

[supraman]

I dont give a **** if he is a juvie or not. I wasnt old enough to drive and I knew drinking and driving was a no-no. So I dont give a flying **** that he is a teenager.</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

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I dont give a **** if he is a juvie or not. I wasnt old enough to drive and I knew drinking and driving was a no-no. So I dont give a flying **** that he is a teenager.</p>
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Not with 4 deaths and prior documented incidents with say very young drunk female students in the car and what-not. </p>


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If it was me, I would be able to smell his ging hair burning all the way from Texas. </p>

 

[MassHavoc]

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Not with 4 deaths and prior documented incidents with say very young drunk female students in the car and what-not. </p>


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If it was me, I would be able to smell his ging hair burning all the way from Texas. </p>
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I would also find out where the alcohol was coming from and I would bet if the parents couldn't really tell him no, then this is probably where it's coming from and you could make a case against them for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Especially given their past discrepancies.</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

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I would also find out where the alcohol was coming from and I would bet if the parents couldn't really tell him no, then this is probably where it's coming from and you could make a case against them for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Especially given their past discrepancies.</p>
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i am totally hip with that too. ANYTHING that can be done to make this kid and his family even so much as just inconvenienced is huge plus. </p>

 

[MassHavoc]

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i am totally hip with that too. ANYTHING that can be done to make this kid and his family even so much as just inconvenienced is huge plus. </p>
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I know we are all in outrage and everything as we should be.... but honestly I can say if it was my kid, I'd be doing and saying everything I could to keep them out of jail too.</p>

 

[supraman]

That's all fine and good but the judge/jury shouldnt be buying the bullshit they are selling</p>

 

[IceHogsFan]

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That's all fine and good but the judge/jury shouldnt be buying the bullshit they are selling</p>
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Did I miss something? Did the judge come out after his ruling and state that his decision was made on the affluenza opinion of the doctor on the stand?</p>


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ALINA MACHADO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Behavior has real consequences. The 16-year-old admitted to drinking alcohol the night he caused the chain reaction crash that killed four people and severely hurt two others in Tarrant County, Texas. His sentence, 10 years of probation, not the 20 years of prison prosecutors asked for. The teen's defense and the judge's lenient sentence have sparked outrage. His victim's loved ones are stunned. 

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MACHADO: Three hours after the crash, Couch's blood alcohol level was .24, three times the legal limit in Texas. The term "affluenza" came from a psychologist put on the stand by the defense who reportedly said Couch was brought up to spend money instead of saying sorry if he hurt someone and that he never learned that sometimes you don't get your way. The judge opted for probation and therapy over prison time. SCOTT BROWN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Taking him away from his family and teaching him to be a reasonable citizen, that's a consequence. 

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KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Have you heard of this defense before? HOSTIN: I've never heard of it before. And, in fact, <u>this psychologist says he's been using it for about 30 years</u>, but this is something I've never heard of. In fact, again, this sort of flies in the face of what we do hear of every single day in our justice system, which is, there are consequences to actions and for poor kids and rich kids, those consequences should be the same. 

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[The Count Dante]

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Did I miss something? Did the judge come out after his ruling and state that his decision was made on the affluenza opinion of the doctor on the stand?</p>


 </p>


ALINA MACHADO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Behavior has real consequences. The 16-year-old admitted to drinking alcohol the night he caused the chain reaction crash that killed four people and severely hurt two others in Tarrant County, Texas. His sentence, 10 years of probation, not the 20 years of prison prosecutors asked for. The teen's defense and the judge's lenient sentence have sparked outrage. His victim's loved ones are stunned. 

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MACHADO: Three hours after the crash, Couch's blood alcohol level was .24, three times the legal limit in Texas. The term "affluenza" came from a psychologist put on the stand by the defense who reportedly said Couch was brought up to spend money instead of saying sorry if he hurt someone and that he never learned that sometimes you don't get your way. The judge opted for probation and therapy over prison time. SCOTT BROWN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Taking him away from his family and teaching him to be a reasonable citizen, that's a consequence. 

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KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Have you heard of this defense before? HOSTIN: I've never heard of it before. And, in fact, <u>this psychologist says he's been using it for about 30 years</u>, but this is something I've never heard of. In fact, again, this sort of flies in the face of what we do hear of every single day in our justice system, which is, there are consequences to actions and for poor kids and rich kids, those consequences should be the same. 

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Does it matter how he came about the decision? </p>

 

[JOVE23]

pillory them all</p>


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followed by public execution</p>

 

[jakobeast]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="The Deadliest Man Alive" data-cid="217253" data-time="1387320371">
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Hey, i am actually ok with that... No, no son you dont go to jail. Your family is now broke.</p>


 </p>


THAT is American Justice. </p>


 </p>


SING IT BILL!!</p>


 </p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luyPjSaBg4E</p>


 </p>


<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxnov-reg', arial, sans-serif;font-size:medium;">Sing along with the common people</span>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxnov-reg', arial, sans-serif;font-size:medium;">Sing along and it might just get you through</span>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxnov-reg', arial, sans-serif;font-size:medium;">Laugh along with the common people</span>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxnov-reg', arial, sans-serif;font-size:medium;">Laugh along, even though they're laughing at you</span>


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I really like that version. The original sucks so much ass comparatively.</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

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I really like that version. The original sucks so much ass comparatively.</p>
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Oh NO question. Ben Folds (who I dont really like but respect) and Joe Jackson make that song.</p>


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And i will just say it, sure, a part of me will die along with Bill Shatner, but "Has Been" is quality. </p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

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Sounds like a case of 'negrobetes'</p>
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I just knew there was a name for it.</p>