Campoli files for arbitration

[the canadian dream]

I do. It usually costs an extra 20 bucks, so I only do that on special occasions.

You know if you hang out in the alley beside the night clubs you can usually get a hit for free.









......so I have heard.

 

[Ton]

As Kerfluffle was saying prior to the fireworks, I cannot blame Campoli for seeking arbitration. It is not like he was here very long to develope some great sense of loyalty to the team, and the team was only somewhat above average while he was here. His contract allows him to try to better his pay and he should do it, especially in the light of the ridiculous contracts being handed out right now. The supply of free agents is low and the demand is high. He is the only inventory he has, he would be a fool not to try to sell it for the best price he can. How many kicks might he get in his career to 'cash in'? Who knows.



I wish it where not this way and I understand that players do give hometown discounts, but when many of your peers are doubling their salaries, you would be foolish not to try.

I agree for the most part. Also to add to that, I think that people throw around the term "hometown discount" very loosely. Campoli has only played a very small amount of games for this organization and has only been here for a few months. Why is he obligated to take a "hometown discount" in this case? There is no hometown, this is just a pit stop for him at the moment.



Even Seabs, Kane, Toews, Keith... Chicago is not their hometown, at no point are they obligated to take that "hometown discount" when they have only been here a few years. Perhaps they are loyal to the organization and certainly did take a pay cut, but to me, a hometown discount is bigger than that. Nik Lidstrom, now that is a hometown discount for the Wings. Chris Campoli, what would he care if he plays in Chicago or somewhere else as long as he gets his money?



The only time I would expect a discount is A. the player was born there, grew up there, idolized the team growing up, and never wants to leave. Or B. Has played there the majority of their career and wants to end their career there.

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

Jesus how long does it take for this ruling to come out...in all honesty, we need Campoli, this guy came in our system late last year and did his job. Add another year to it and the experience playing with this team might even be better this year. He IMO aside from Andrew, he is a better player/more reliable then the ones we just picked up. I hope this time we work this out. If he is awarded 2.5 max, sign him.

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

I agree for the most part. Also to add to that, I think that people throw around the term "hometown discount" very loosely. Campoli has only played a very small amount of games for this organization and has only been here for a few months. Why is he obligated to take a "hometown discount" in this case? There is no hometown, this is just a pit stop for him at the moment.



Even Seabs, Kane, Toews, Keith... Chicago is not their hometown, at no point are they obligated to take that "hometown discount" when they have only been here a few years. Perhaps they are loyal to the organization and certainly did take a pay cut, but to me, a hometown discount is bigger than that. Nik Lidstrom, now that is a hometown discount for the Wings. Chris Campoli, what would he care if he plays in Chicago or somewhere else as long as he gets his money?



The only time I would expect a discount is A. the player was born there, grew up there, idolized the team growing up, and never wants to leave. Or B. Has played there the majority of their career and wants to end their career there.

funny, I mentioned it that a few posts ago why should you all be mad at the guy, when he has not played here the full season to take a shitty deal to make room for someone else. And I would like anyone in here to say they would not do the same. We are fans they are players.

 

[Variable]

I agree for the most part. Also to add to that, I think that people throw around the term "hometown discount" very loosely. Campoli has only played a very small amount of games for this organization and has only been here for a few months. Why is he obligated to take a "hometown discount" in this case? There is no hometown, this is just a pit stop for him at the moment.



Even Seabs, Kane, Toews, Keith... Chicago is not their hometown, at no point are they obligated to take that "hometown discount" when they have only been here a few years. Perhaps they are loyal to the organization and certainly did take a pay cut, but to me, a hometown discount is bigger than that. Nik Lidstrom, now that is a hometown discount for the Wings. Chris Campoli, what would he care if he plays in Chicago or somewhere else as long as he gets his money?



The only time I would expect a discount is A. the player was born there, grew up there, idolized the team growing up, and never wants to leave. Or B. Has played there the majority of their career and wants to end their career there.

It's constantly said but it seems that it needs repeating: It's a business. Majority of players are out to get what's best for them. Not everything revolves around what's best for Blackhawks or best for whatever team that player happens to be on. There are a few of those guys like that, but they are not everyone. Like when some were getting mad at Bryzgalov for going for a big contract. Hockey is a business.

 

[roshinaya]

Jesus how long does it take for this ruling to come out...in all honesty, we need Campoli, this guy came in our system late last year and did his job. Add another year to it and the experience playing with this team might even be better this year. He IMO aside from Andrew, he is a better player/more reliable then the ones we just picked up. I hope this time we work this out. If he is awarded 2.5 max, sign him.

Arbitration hearings are for Stålberg July 21st and Campoli August 3rd.

 

[howcho]

I agree for the most part. Also to add to that, I think that people throw around the term "hometown discount" very loosely. Campoli has only played a very small amount of games for this organization and has only been here for a few months. Why is he obligated to take a "hometown discount" in this case? There is no hometown, this is just a pit stop for him at the moment.



Even Seabs, Kane, Toews, Keith... Chicago is not their hometown, at no point are they obligated to take that "hometown discount" when they have only been here a few years. Perhaps they are loyal to the organization and certainly did take a pay cut, but to me, a hometown discount is bigger than that. Nik Lidstrom, now that is a hometown discount for the Wings. Chris Campoli, what would he care if he plays in Chicago or somewhere else as long as he gets his money?



The only time I would expect a discount is A. the player was born there, grew up there, idolized the team growing up, and never wants to leave. Or B. Has played there the majority of their career and wants to end their career there.

I eluded to the same fact although it would seem too subtly. I mentioned that in his time here that the Hawks where just slightly above average, it wasn't like the hawks showed him something amazing.



In my mind, "hometown discount" does not need to imply the place you where born, it occurs to me that it is more-so the city you have tenure with.

 

[Rex]

Oddly enough, it sounds like Frolik didn't file for arbitration. Sounds like he wants to stay

 

[roshinaya]

Oddly enough, it sounds like Frolik didn't file for arbitration. Sounds like he wants to stay

He wasn't eligible, that's why.

 

[Ton]

I eluded to the same fact although it would seem too subtly. I mentioned that in his time here that the Hawks where just slightly above average, it wasn't like the hawks showed him something amazing.



In my mind, "hometown discount" does not need to imply the place you where born, it occurs to me that it is more-so the city you have tenure with.

Agreed, however I think both of those are the only two cases that a "hometown discount" may be expected. Otherwise it's every man for themselves. For example, you are born in Calgary, grow up as a Flames fan, play near your hometown on a Junior team, drafted by the Avalanche, but right before you become an RFA, you get traded to the Flames at the deadline -- from that person, I would not expect them to file for arbitration and I might think they would take a little bit less to stay with the organization they grew up idolizing.



Again, I think these are really the only scenarios it would apply. Real hometown heros and long tenured players.... the Campoli's of the world, I would never expect them to commit unless the money was big.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Oddly enough, it sounds like Frolik didn't file for arbitration. Sounds like he wants to stay

They all say that but in the end it always seems to come down to the money. As another poster said, Frolik wasn't eligible, but if he was he probably would have filed as well, especially when you consider all the marginal players getting big contracts this offseason. I remember Campoli being interviewed back in March and he said how much he felt that Chicago was his home and this is where he really really wants to be. And then he goes and files arbitration.

 

[PatrickShart]

Filing could be a formality...meaning, there's a set deadline a player has to do it, regardless of how close they are in negotiations.



Or, it could mean they're way too far apart.



Without knowing the numbers, the discussions they've had...it's all speculation at this time. Lets wait and see what happens between now, and the hearing.

 

[Ton]

Filing could be a formality...meaning, there's a set deadline a player has to do it, regardless of how close they are in negotiations.



Or, it could mean they're way too far apart.



Without knowing the numbers, the discussions they've had...it's all speculation at this time. Lets wait and see what happens between now, and the hearing.

Words of wisdom right here. Anything can happen between now and then.



The Hawks sent out a qualifying offer, which I believe is a 110% raise off their previous salary if they make less than $660K and 105% if they made up to $1M. Since Campoli made over $1M, I believe they must send an offer that is equivalent to 100% of the previous years salary, which is $1.4M. If the Hawks sent something like that, he probably rejected it because, lets be honest, he is worth more than that.



Since he did not accept it, they probably started the negotiation process and decided to file for arbitration just in case. I wouldn't be surprised if he was signed before then, but again this is all speculation.

 

[roshinaya]

Yeah, going to arbitration is them covering their bases. As it sounded with Stålberg they are close to a deal but filed for arbitration since there was a deadline for it just to be sure.

 

[dlrob315]

There hasn't been a player with the Hawks that either threatened or actually went to arbitration that actually stayed with the hawks. It will be interesting to see how it works.



Last three.



Calder was given an award, they promptly traded him to the Flyers.



Wiz just happened to mention it in an interview, they traded him to the Ducks.



Niemi got his they walked away.



Is this situation different? Not sure. We'll see.

If they feel they need Campoli, they will accept the ruling and sign him for the one year contract.



Last year they chose to match the Sharks' offer sheet given to Hammer because they felt they needed him. And, what Hammer did also falls under the so called "unwritten rule!"



So maybe the new school GM's understands it is a business for both sides!



Remember, Stanbow is the one who said it is not up to the players to manage the salary cap, it's management's job to do so!

 

[Tater]

I agree for the most part. Also to add to that, I think that people throw around the term "hometown discount" very loosely. Campoli has only played a very small amount of games for this organization and has only been here for a few months. Why is he obligated to take a "hometown discount" in this case? There is no hometown, this is just a pit stop for him at the moment.



Even Seabs, Kane, Toews, Keith... Chicago is not their hometown, at no point are they obligated to take that "hometown discount" when they have only been here a few years. Perhaps they are loyal to the organization and certainly did take a pay cut, but to me, a hometown discount is bigger than that. Nik Lidstrom, now that is a hometown discount for the Wings. Chris Campoli, what would he care if he plays in Chicago or somewhere else as long as he gets his money?



The only time I would expect a discount is A. the player was born there, grew up there, idolized the team growing up, and never wants to leave. Or B. Has played there the majority of their career and wants to end their career there.

I think some people say "hometown discount" when they are referring to playing somewhere that there is the best chance to win a Cup. Even if they've only played there a short time.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

I think some people say "hometown discount" when they are referring to playing somewhere that there is the best chance to win a Cup. Even if they've only played there a short time.

Or if they really like the city and their teammates, the stadium. As opposed to going to a team that has low attendance and a somewhat boring lifestyle/culture, lack of nitelife..



Sometimes if the money on the table is'nt that different, those things could be a deciding factor

 

[Tater]

Or if they really like the city and their teammates, the stadium. As opposed to going to a team that has low attendance and a somewhat boring lifestyle/culture, lack of nitelife..



Sometimes if the money on the table is'nt that different, those things could be a deciding factor

 

[dlrob315]

If a player were to suffer a career threatening injury in his contract year, do anyone think a team would give a player a courtesy multi-year contract because that player gave them a hometown discount in the prior years?

 

[IceHogsFan]

According to JOVE Campoli will not be resigned.