Catching Hell

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Where's the blame for Prior, Wood, Gonzalez, and Sosa? Just easier for Cub fans to blame "goats and curses"

Buckner is vital to a well rounded documentary

How did Wood pitch in GM 7?

I thought it was just right

Looks like he choked, no?

Yes. True fans don't blame Bartman. Now, quit being a tool, stfu, and tell us how much better the White Sox are than the Cubs even tho they're both sitting at home.




damn.

 

[bleacherbum54]

I cried about 10 times during this shit (first time Ive watched anything related to that game since 03. I am embarrassed to be a Cubs fan the way they treat Bartman it's just stupid the guy did nothing wrong.

The way I think of that game is Gonz really killed us. Plus we kept Prior in way to long but Gonz really has to turn that double play. 03 was the first year I went to wrigley so I will never forget that team proably the best team we have had in my lifetime just sad that it had to turn out that way.

 

[daddies3angels]

I dont blame Bartman. Gonz error is what turned that game and series around.

 

[Uman85]

I was a big diehard of the Cubs at that time and that brought back a lot of good memories of that year as a Cubs fan. Also all the heartbreak from that series. No blame on Bartman at all. Team collapsed. Gonz with the missed DP, Wood giving up 7 runs the next game. Hard to watch and embarrassing display by the Cubs fans there.

 

[Mr. Cub]

I dont blame Bartman. Gonz error is what turned that game and series around.

I believe this too. Although the Bartman/crowd episode kinda messed up the whole atmosphere of the situation.

 

[bleacherbum54]

I dont blame Bartman. Gonz error is what turned that game and series around.

and Gonz was such a good fielder I was shocked he botched it. After that I just remember thinking to my self o shit this isnt gonna end well. I never even though about the Bartman play.

 

[MidwestDichotomy]

I realize all fan bases have their douchebags, but the treatment Bartman got was just over the top.

"I'm gonna kill you and your whole family."

"Put a 12-guage in your mouth and pull the trigger."

Blago of course exposed himself for the tool he is. And I lost any and all respect for Mike Wilbon when he came out as a Bartman blamer. I thought he was supposed to be educated, and a journalist.

I'm a Cardinal fan. I remember the '85 World Series. Many of my brethren blame Doug Denkinger for losing that series. I don't. Denkinger didn't allow those runs to score in the ninth of Game Six, the Cardinals' pitching staff did. Just like Bartman didn't boot the double play ball or give up hit after hit in games 6 and 7 of the NLCS. It's not Bartman's fault. Get over it.

 

[Uman85]

 

[derosabomb]

Buckner is vital to a well rounded documentary

yep this.

 

[brett05]

Now, quit being a tool,

You are odd with this comment.

and tell us how much better the White Sox are than the Cubs even tho they're both sitting at home....

Huh? We're talking about the documentary and the events in them. What do the White Sox have to do with anything on the matter? You feeling ok?

 

[Popinski Soda]

That cannot and will not happen until the Cubs make the world series.

Steve Bartman has done everything right since that day. I just hope for the day that we can one day give him the same opportunity bill buckner was given.

With Santo passed away when we make the world series Bartman should throw out the first pitch.

I'll do you one better, Bartman should be given consideration as the Cubs new GM. He used to manage a Little League team which already puts him on par with the 2011 Cubs, so why not take the next logical step?


J

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

i definitely feel for bartman

in the end, as already been said,

the game and series itself isnt his fault

 

[Shawon0Meter]

I'm surprised so many people disregard the swing of momentum it caused.

Baseball is so streaky. When the Red Sox came down from 0-3 against the Yankees and tied the series up at 3-3, everybody knew there was nothing the Yankees could do stop the momentum swing. Everybody knew the Cubs had no chance in game 7 because of the momentum swing. Good teams lose 5 in a row, bad teams win 5 in a row. Average players have 15 game hit streaks, great players go into slumps. 1 error or 1 walk seem to often spark a long inning. That's baseball.

"Momentum is the next day's starting pitcher" sounds like a great poster to hang on a wall in yoga class, not real life baseball.

As I said before, I do think Bartman played a big role in the turn around of the game and the series BUT I think holding any ill will towards Bartman is ignorant because so many fans in his position tried to do the same thing or would have tried to the same thing. Even in the heat of the moment, so many of those fans took it too far. And any with common sense regret it now.

Not putting any blame on him or the fans in that area in general is also incorrect though imo

 

[dabynsky]

I'm surprised so many people disregard the swing of momentum it caused.

Baseball is so streaky. When the Red Sox came down from 0-3 against the Yankees and tied the series up at 3-3, everybody knew there was nothing the Yankees could do stop the momentum swing. Everybody knew the Cubs had no chance in game 7 because of the momentum swing. Good teams lose 5 in a row, bad teams win 5 in a row. Average players have 15 game hit streaks, great players go into slumps. 1 error or 1 walk seem to often spark a long inning. That's baseball.

"Momentum is the next day's starting pitcher" sounds like a great poster to hang on a wall in yoga class, not real life baseball.

As I said before, I do think Bartman played a big role in the turn around of the game and the series BUT I think holding any ill will towards Bartman is ignorant because so many fans in his position tried to do the same thing or would have tried to the same thing. Even in the heat of the moment, so many of those fans took it too far. And any with common sense regret it now.

Not putting any blame on him or the fans in that area in general is also incorrect though imo

The saying was spoken by a real life baseball manager, who was a pretty good one at that.

 

[bleacherbum54]

The momentum did shift but only because Alou had a heart attack out in LF if he doesn't react i dont think the momentum and the fans react. Alou is really to blame for reacting the way he did.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

The saying was spoken by a real life baseball manager, who was a pretty good one at that.

I know...it's a good mentality for the team on the wrong side of the momentum to have. I guess in my opinion though, momentum in baseball is just unstoppable sometimes. I've seen it too many times to believe otherwise.

The momentum did shift but only because Alou had a heart attack out in LF if he doesn't react i dont think the momentum and the fans react. Alou is really to blame for reacting the way he did.

That might be true. The play itself did cause a momentum shift for sure and I don't know exactly who the blame falls on..probably multiple people. But it did have an affect

 

[AE23]

I'm surprised so many people disregard the swing of momentum it caused.

Baseball is so streaky. When the Red Sox came down from 0-3 against the Yankees and tied the series up at 3-3, everybody knew there was nothing the Yankees could do stop the momentum swing. Everybody knew the Cubs had no chance in game 7 because of the momentum swing. Good teams lose 5 in a row, bad teams win 5 in a row. Average players have 15 game hit streaks, great players go into slumps. 1 error or 1 walk seem to often spark a long inning. That's baseball.

"Momentum is the next day's starting pitcher" sounds like a great poster to hang on a wall in yoga class, not real life baseball.

As I said before, I do think Bartman played a big role in the turn around of the game and the series BUT I think holding any ill will towards Bartman is ignorant because so many fans in his position tried to do the same thing or would have tried to the same thing. Even in the heat of the moment, so many of those fans took it too far. And any with common sense regret it now.

Not putting any blame on him or the fans in that area in general is also incorrect though imo

The momentum did shift but only because Alou had a heart attack out in LF if he doesn't react i dont think the momentum and the fans react. Alou is really to blame for reacting the way he did.

missed it, but ill def catch the rerun. but THIS^^^^^^

 

[85Bears4life]

ESPN Replaying it...for those who missed it...on ESPN2

 

[Popinski Soda]

Whatever happened to Mark Prior?


J

 

[85Bears4life]

Whatever happened to Mark Prior?


J

Injuries, Injuries, and more Injuries

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