Chiefs Trading Tyreek Hill to Dolphins

[Bear_Assed]

You still ignored my point. Neither one of those is a #1 WR or a "difference maker"

And both those teams lost multiple WRs, not just their #1

You are correct. Aside from Williams and Gallup who resigned with their respective teams, there were no other already established #1 receivers available. However, every single guy I listed in my previous reply have a better chance at being that guy compared to the guys we’ve signed.

And if none of them are ever going to be #1s, why not add more than just Pringles? Why not add him and Chark and gage? The $ is there. My guess is because poles already made a splash with Ogunjobi and didn’t want to spend big again. Which imo is a big mistake when that $ could have went to another wr who would be better than every single other wr on the team, perhaps besides Mooney. But those players are gone and Ogunjobi isn’t even on the team

 

[PrideisBears]

now name the #1 WR that was a free agent. yall keep ignoring that.

youre bringing up the #1 WR term and are bitching about losing out on JuJu Smith Schuster, DJ Chark and Russell Gage?
difference maker is in the draft. rookie or not, wasnt happening in free agency

You don’t consider OBJ as a #1

 

[Bear_Assed]

You don’t consider OBJ as a #1

not after two ACL grade 3 tears in the span of two years, no. Not to mention all the other injuries he’s had (ankle break, hamstring tear). He likely won’t be ready for week one regardless

 

[EDPeezy]

When do they figure out with the way the game is officiated now that WR is a way easier position than it used to be and they lose value?

You really think WR’s in unison evolved? Look at the WR numbers now. It’s absurd. It’s clearly because the passing game is much easier because of the rules changes. But instead of recognizing that they’re just paying WR’s absurd money. I get it if you want a big name WR and you have money to give him. But with the way it’s going why not just draft guys for a fraction of that? That seems like the much better move. I wouldn’t say they’re stepping into the league ready. There are exceptions, but for the most part it still takes a year or two. But with the market for free agents being so high and young guys figuring out the position quicker because it’s easier to play the better move is clearly drafting WR’s. You see how deep this draft is? I’d bet anything the talent isn’t significantly larger than in previous years. It’s just that the position has become so much easier that the field of guys becomes larger.

One big thing I’ve noticed is that because the physicality has been taken out that teams aren't afraid to get undersized guys with speed. So you see these fast, skinny and short guys being drafted high and the team isn’t really even worried that they’re rail thin or like 5’7. The pool of legit guys is just getting bigger and bigger. Honestly, I don’t even think the Bears have to take a guy in the second. They could take a guy in the third and the value of the prospect probably doesn’t even change much.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

You are correct. Aside from Williams and Gallup who resigned with their respective teams, there were no other already established #1 receivers available. However, every single guy I listed in my previous reply have a better chance at being that guy compared to the guys we’ve signed.

And if none of them are ever going to be #1s, why not add more than just Pringles? Why not add him and Chark and gage? The $ is there. My guess is because poles already made a splash with Ogunjobi and didn’t want to spend big again. Which imo is a big mistake when that $ could have went to another wr who would be better than every single other wr on the team, perhaps besides Mooney. But those players are gone and Ogunjobi isn’t even on the team

I dont see any of those guys ever being a #1. They are at best a #2 or 3 guy and even then, Pringle had better stats than some of them.

So with that already known, the possible #1 difference maker was always going to come from the draft. Thats why I wouldn't lose my shit about not having "playmakers". The draft is coming

 

[Spitta Andretti]

You don’t consider OBJ as a #1

You can't rely on him to stay healthy imo

 

[Bear_Assed]

I dont see any of those guys ever being a #1. They are at best a #2 or 3 guy and even then, Pringle had better stats than some of them.

So with that already known, the possible #1 difference maker was always going to come from the draft. Thats why I wouldn't lose my shit about not having "playmakers". The draft is coming

I’m not losing my shit. I am concerned. And hope i am proven wrong as much as you do.

Additionally, Poles is used to working for a winning team where free agents wanted to come to and would be willing to take less $ to have a shot at the SB. Now for perhaps the first time in his young professional career with any real voice in who gets brought in, he is the GM for a team that has no shot at a SB next year and is likely going to be at least 2-3 before this team is ready to compete.

I can see why people do not share my concerns. When I was younger I used to get pissed at people who didn’t agree with everything the bears were doing, because I rooted for the team no matter what, right or wrong. I’m now much older and have only seen one SB appearance and even then, our QB was avg at best.

Again, I hope I’m wrong and Poles has some trick up his sleeve to get Fields at least one wr better than Mooney next season.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

I’m not losing my shit. I am concerned. And hope i am proven wrong as much as you do.

Additionally, Poles is used to working for a winning team where free agents wanted to come to and would be willing to take less $ to have a shot at the SB. Now for perhaps the first time in his young professional career with any real voice in who gets brought in, he is the GM for a team that has no shot at a SB next year and is likely going to be at least 2-3 before this team is ready to compete.

I can see why people do not share my concerns. When I was younger I used to get pissed at people who didn’t agree with everything the bears were doing, because I rooted for the team no matter what, right or wrong. I’m now much older and have only seen one SB appearance and even then, our QB was avg at best.

Again, I hope I’m wrong and Poles has some trick up his sleeve to get Fields at least one wr better than Mooney next season.

I agree. But Poles didn't come in with a ton of wiggle room. Bad contracts and an aging defense. Not the ideal situation to go out and spend money because I think that follows more of the Pace mantra that put us in this hole in the first place. Ill be more of a wait and see approach because I think just getting nagys bullshit system out of here is a major improvement in itself offensively

 

[UChiLAbear]

You didn't address my point at all. You just said the same things you've been saying.

Like I said before, having more talent around him will allow him to put up better numbers but that doesn't necessarily mean he is progressing. I think you are confusing stats with development. I'll ask again, does having a number one wide receiver help him learn to read a defense?

Excellent post!..........a QB can never become great w/o being able to read defenses.............Rhetorically u know who can teach him? A Defensive Coach who knows defenses.......kind of like....idk.....maybe EBURFLUS!.....lol........I'm soooooooo glad Da Bears hired a Defensive minded HC. And I know who u Offensive coach guys are....lol....u can't hide after E-bear-flus teaches Fumble Fingers how to read D's and to look for his 2nd or 3rd option.
Add to this, his new throwing deliver from Getzy (sp),.... I went from Fumble Fingers ..."no chance to become a great QB" ( which he had NO chance with the previous "coach" ) to " he's probably going to be a great QB." imo...no QB in the NFL has better skills than Fumble Fingers...imo..he now has the coaches to hone, temper & refine those skills.
The paradox is...A Defensive HC can make a QB better than an Offensive HC.
Do u think Brady came into the NFL KNOWING Defensive coverages, or maybe, .......just maybe.....Belichick MAYBE taught him some things?
What about DHC Saben (sp) at Alabama? Not since the early '70s has Alabama had NFL talented QBs. Since Saben arrived they have! Coincidence? I think not.

 

[bufordht]

Hard to go through the progression to find an open receiver if there is no open receiver.

Hard to work on your Red Zone offense if you're never in the Red Zone.

Hard to develop a rapport with your receivers if they don't catch the ball.

Et cetera.

Actually you ONLY go through your progression if no one is open...

 

[bufordht]

A few things here:

Most of the time, when people number their points, #1 is their main point. Just an fyi

Ryan poles himself has talked about the importance of a true #1 receiver at this years combine:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498708356021825545

Lastly, look at all of the playoff teams this year, including one in the super bowl who had a QB in his second year. How many of those teams had a top 10 receiver? Almost every single one of them. Lol

Your main point is wrong. Recent history is proof and Poles said so at the combine. Sorry bud

What do playoff teams have to do with the development of a quarterback? Rex Grossman went to the super bowl, does that mean he could read a defense, beat a blitz?

How does a good receiver bailing you out help you read a defense? Did Marshall help Cutler make good decisions, not throw into coverage?

What recent history has shown that a receiver helps a quarterback develop?

 

[Bear_Assed]

What do playoff teams have to do with the development of a quarterback? Rex Grossman went to the super bowl, does that mean he could read a defense, beat a blitz?

How does a good receiver bailing you out help you read a defense? Did Marshall help Cutler make good decisions, not throw into coverage?

What recent history has shown that a receiver helps a quarterback develop?

Don’t ask me! Ask Poles, he’s the one who said it. I’m just relaying the info

 

[Toast88]

Actually you ONLY go through your progression if no one is open...

No one?

 

[remydat]

Tom Brady disagrees. Aaron Rodgers does not, connect the dots.

Tom Brady also has a wife that makes more than he does. Gisele is worth 400m. Tom can play for league minimum and be set for life. Connect those dots.

 

[remydat]

Every single receiver you listed as well as MVS is better than who we’ve signed.

Not to mention KC and GB now need receivers. Guess which two teams have two picks each before bears get to their pick. And that’s just two teams!

You are moving goalposts. The comment was about No 1 WR. Mooney is better than everyone of those guys IMO so none of them address the concern regarding finding Fields a No 1 WR.

So is your concern a No 1 WR or not?

You are correct. Aside from Williams and Gallup who resigned with their respective teams, there were no other already established #1 receivers available. However, every single guy I listed in my previous reply have a better chance at being that guy compared to the guys we’ve signed.

And if none of them are ever going to be #1s, why not add more than just Pringles? Why not add him and Chark and gage? The $ is there. My guess is because poles already made a splash with Ogunjobi and didn’t want to spend big again. Which imo is a big mistake when that $ could have went to another wr who would be better than every single other wr on the team, perhaps besides Mooney. But those players are gone and Ogunjobi isn’t even on the team

Williams is a No 2 behind Allen and Gallup is a No 3 behind Cooper and Lamb. Are you sure you understand what a No 1 WR is?

 

[remydat]

You don’t consider OBJ as a #1

But if the concern is developing Fields this year then no sure OBJ is the answer given he is probably going to miss the first half of the season.

 

[TL1961]

I feel like giving up 2 1sts for a WR that you're then going to give a huge contract to isn't ideal. QB/LT/edge rusher maybe.

Even then, as great as Khalil Mack was, that deal was not ultimately worth it. But Pace made 3 bigger mistakes before that trade. You all know what they are.

I mean, he made more mistakes than that. But you know what I mean. ?

Edit: 1st, 2nd, 4th in 2022, then a 4th and 6th in 2023. That's a lot of picks.

He made plenty, but the Mack trade wasn’t one.

 

[remydat]

It sucks that Tom Brady and Russell Wilson and Josh Allen never had No 1 WRs their first few years in the NFL. It really hurt their development. Like how is it possible Josh Allen didn't fall apart before Diggs arrived in his 3rd year? And how is it possible Brady won Super Bowls with Deion Branch as his best WR? And how was Russ able to cook without the right WR ingredients before Lockett and DK came along?

 

[Bear_Assed]

You are moving goalposts. The comment was about No 1 WR. Mooney is better than everyone of those guys IMO so none of them address the concern regarding finding Fields a No 1 WR.

So is your concern a No 1 WR or not?



Williams is a No 2 behind Allen and Gallup is a No 3 behind Cooper and Lamb. Are you sure you understand what a No 1 WR is?

My point is, if there isn’t a #1 available in FA and you don’t have a first rd pick, get more than just Pringles in FA to help your 2nd year QB instead of guaranteeing $26 mil to a DT in a rebuild year.

Cooper is not on the cowboys anymore. Did u know that? Both Williams and Gallup would be a #1 if brought in. Regardless they weren’t leaving their teams and I get that. I wasn’t expecting it. Sorry if that’s how you interpreted my post.

 

[TL1961]

odd commentary on McClellan...dude played one year for NE and then retired lol.

And was about their 30th most impactful player when he did play.