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They play the Jets, Giants, Falcons, Texans and the Lions twice. 6 wins is a given I think.
What makes you think the Bears will beat the Jets, Giants, Falcons, Texans and Lions twice?
 

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Isn’t it possible that Poles is a young first year time GM, and he may be thinking he’s smarter than everyone else by not signing top tier talent and it could blow up in his face and ruin or set back Fields?

Kinda like when Emery thought he was outsmarting everyone with the McClellin pick and Pace with the Trubisky trade up and pick?

Maybe I’ve just been a bears fan too long to think our GM is smarter than every other GM
Yes...it's possible..........but I hope posters STOP using McClellan as an example! He eventually went to New England and became a starter! On a SB winning team. Actually 2 SBs, but the second he was on IR. It WASN'T McClellan....it's all the knucklehead coaches ( other than Lovie ) since Ditka. Now... Who was right about McClellan? Emery & The 3 Knuckleheads OR Bellicheck? (Sp) Please...no responses. Oh...BTW Roosevelt Coven also won a SB with NE and I believe John Roper.

Let's hope the 30 years of bad decision making is OVER!!!
 
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Yes...it's possible..........but I hope posters STOP using McClellan as an example! He eventually went to New England and became a starter! On a SB winning team. Actually 2 SBs, but the second he was on IR. It WASN'T McClellan....it's all the knucklehead coaches ( other than Lovie ) since Ditka. Now... Who was right about McClellan? Emery & The 3 Knuckleheads OR Bellicheck? (Sp) Please...no responses. Oh...BTW Roosevelt Coven also won a SB with NE and I believe John Roper.

Let's hope the 30 years of bad decision making is OVER!!!
odd commentary on McClellan...dude played one year for NE and then retired lol.
 

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odd commentary on McClellan...dude played one year for NE and then retired lol.
Not as odd as your answer........ as I said on IR another season .....yes the "dude" retired because of a knee injury...still a SB winner....and ur comment has nothing to with my point. I guess Belichick must be an idiot to have had him on the team. To Lol at a player who had to retire because of a knee injury....well.... I guess that's expected from a dude. Dude it up, bro.....later dude....
 

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And the magic years are normally years 3 and 4 of that rookie deal. With the projected cap next year, the Bears are still in a position to capitalize on Fields' rookie deal. This year is about developing him and the team learning new schemes, coaching staff, etc.
True but how is he going to develop this season without a true #1 receiver or experienced/proven tackles?

If poles is relying on the draft for these positions, without a first rd pick, Fields is more likely to regress than progress imo
 

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True but how is he going to develop this season without a true #1 receiver or experienced/proven tackles?

If poles is relying on the draft for these positions, without a first rd pick, Fields is more likely to regress than progress imo

1) The offseason isn't over yet and I expect/hope there still are moves to shore up the offensive line.

2) You can win and develop a qb without a true #1 receiver. Is it easier with one? Of course. But it isn't a requirement.

In lieu of a true #1 though, they need several guys that can be that be solid and reliable playmakers. They don't have to 'scare' the defense, but they need to be able to execute the offense. They need to run the route on time and at the correct depth to be that reliable read/target for Fields. And obviously, they need to be able to make the catches. It does no good to have a guy that can get open but has bricks for hands.
 

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I think this was a terrible move by the Chiefs. They had all the leverage. He still had 1 year left on his deal and a possible "tag" year. Could have had him play this year tag him similar to what GB did with Adams, and traded him next year for about the same comp as Adams got. Would have had one more shot with his playmaking ability while you have arguably the best QB in the league. Now even if you draft a top WR this year, you are still worse on offense. The rest of their division got way better on paper and they seem to be going the other direction.
 

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1) The offseason isn't over yet and I expect/hope there still are moves to shore up the offensive line.

2) You can win and develop a qb without a true #1 receiver. Is it easier with one? Of course. But it isn't a requirement.

In lieu of a true #1 though, they need several guys that can be that be solid and reliable playmakers. They don't have to 'scare' the defense, but they need to be able to execute the offense. They need to run the route on time and at the correct depth to be that reliable read/target for Fields. And obviously, they need to be able to make the catches. It does no good to have a guy that can get open but has bricks for hands.
1) you and me both!

2) true. I just wish they’d make it easier for Fields, like as easy as humanly possible to maximize his chances of reaching his max potential asap while he’s still under his rookie contract
 
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Not as odd as your answer........ as I said on IR another season .....yes the "dude" retired because of a knee injury...still a SB winner....and ur comment has nothing to with my point. I guess Belichick must be an idiot to have had him on the team. To Lol at a player who had to retire because of a knee injury....well.... I guess that's expected from a dude. Dude it up, bro.....later dude....
boring troll job man.

Saying he's a SB winner has what exactly to do with the fact he was a terrible 1st round pick? There's a bunch of other scrubs that won the SB amigo. Oh, and did Belichick give a 1st round pick to get him? No....right? Make sense?

Either you're not capable of basic logic or you're trolling.
 

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Hill and Kelce are highly complimentary. Hill is an excellent deep-receiver, yes. But if defenses don't have to worry about a 100+ catch per year tight-end on short to intermediate routes, then they can better game-plan against the deep threat. In terms of importance to an offense, Tight End is one of the most underrated positions present. The mid 90s Cowboys, who had 4 hall of famers on offense, never won another championship after Jay Novacek retired.
 

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Hill and Kelce are highly complimentary. Hill is an excellent deep-receiver, yes. But if defenses don't have to worry about a 100+ catch per year tight-end on short to intermediate routes, then they can better game-plan against the deep threat. In terms of importance to an offense, Tight End is one of the most underrated positions present. The mid 90s Cowboys, who had 4 hall of famers on offense, never won another championship after Jay Novacek retired.
Kelce has only had 2 seasons out of nine that he had 100+ catches……but we get your point.
 

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Yes...it's possible..........but I hope posters STOP using McClellan as an example! He eventually went to New England and became a starter! On a SB winning team. Actually 2 SBs, but the second he was on IR. It WASN'T McClellan....it's all the knucklehead coaches ( other than Lovie ) since Ditka. Now... Who was right about McClellan? Emery & The 3 Knuckleheads OR Bellicheck? (Sp) Please...no responses. Oh...BTW Roosevelt Coven also won a SB with NE and I believe John Roper.

Let's hope the 30 years of bad decision making is OVER!!!
Shea played 8 plays in the super bowl. No tackles 1 Qb hit. He was with New England 1 year and only started 4 games. Didn’t even play in all 16 games. His claim to fame is only his hit on Rodgers that broke his collarbone…nothing else
 

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If you have a franchise QB then you trade that WR for picks and you draft other WRs. Hence why KC dumped him. If Mahomes is a great QB then he doesn't need Hill. This makes sense for Miami because they have loads of draft capital but even so I would never pay a WR 30m a year period. WR has been one of the deepest positions the last few years and with more and more spread concepts in the NFL, the transition to the NFL for WRs has gotten easier IMO.
 

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Hill is an idiot. That roster was stacked for another super bowl run, have fun in Miami being a perpetual 8-9 team., while KC is probably trading for DK and another SB appearance.
 

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True but how is he going to develop this season without a true #1 receiver or experienced/proven tackles?

If poles is relying on the draft for these positions, without a first rd pick, Fields is more likely to regress than progress imo

Why do you assume he can't develop on the current team?

If a developing QB has 4 seconds to throw and his first read is always open, does that help him develop? Does a QB develop because they're on a good roster or do they just put up good numbers because of the talent around them? Do the WRs and OL help teach a QB to read a defense?

I'm not saying they should purposely surround him with crap, but you act like it's a foregone conclusion that he won't make any progress without a top WR and OL. I don't think you can point to any actual evidence that this is the case and the counterpoint is pretty easy to argue.
 

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Why do you assume he can't develop on the current team?

If a developing QB has 4 seconds to throw and his first read is always open, does that help him develop? Does a QB develop because they're on a good roster or do they just put up good numbers because of the talent around them? Do the WRs and OL help teach a QB to read a defense?

I'm not saying they should purposely surround him with crap, but you act like it's a foregone conclusion that he won't make any progress without a top WR and OL. I don't think you can point to any actual evidence that this is the case and the counterpoint is pretty easy to argue.
I’m not saying he cant. But it’s a No brainer that the more weapons and protection he has, the better his chances will be to progress.

Also, if he struggles again next year with avg talent around him, how are the coaches and front office going to know whether its fields fault and he may not be the guy, or is it the talent around him or lack there of.

Surrounding Fields with talent does two important things:

1) increases his chances of reaching his max potential as quickly as possible. The biggest advantage for any team is having a stud QB on a rookie contract

2) helps speed up and increase the accuracy of his evaluation.

When is the last time we had a QB like fields with such a high ceiling? I’m 39 and I can honestly say never. Why not do everything you possibly can to increase his chances of reaching his max potential as quickly as possible? He plays the most important position in all of sports and already a year has been wasted with Nagy’s shit offense.
 

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The point went wayyyy over your head

What went over my head? The part where you whined about the Bears GM not calling KC to see if they’d trade Tyreek Hill for Tevin Jenkins and bag of dog food? How do you even know Poles didn’t call KC?
 

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