Continuing edumucation.

[TSD]

Looking to go back to school to get another degree in project management/business administration or the like.</p>


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I am shying away from online schools (i.e. just online schools) if there are reputable brick and mortar private/public schools with online degree paths thats fine, or Local schools with flexibility for adult students that work full time.</p>


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So far my picks are</p>


1. University of St. Francis (know alot of people that got degrees there)</p>


2. Any traditional 4 year college with an online contingent (found this blog with 51 traditional 4 year schools with online programs</p>


3. Lewis University</p>


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I know U of I has online programs albeit not listed in that list.  Biggest thing is those 4 year schools rape online students from out of state in per credit hour cost.  But the big benefit there, is the degree you get is no different than if you earned your degree on campus.</p>


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on a PS note though, places like University of Phoenix online and crap are actually MORE expensive than getting online degrees from traditional 4 year universities.  U Mass for example would be about 12 grand a year (2 full time semesters), whereas University of Phoenix for the same degree would be 14800 a year.</p>

 

[IceHogsFan]

You name two specific universities that are both private Catholic institutions.</p>

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Unless you are going to an Ivy league school, PM or BMA degrees are pretty standard and a dime a dozen.   Lewis, which is close to you, is decent and has some decent placement.   Job placement success is something you should factor into this decision.   You could also look at doing Keller or even a certificate in either if you are not looking at a Masters.   Without the Masters the cert does pretty well, especially if you get something like a PMP cert as well.</p>

 

[Tater]

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Unless you are going to an Ivy league school, PM or BMA degrees are pretty standard and a dime a dozen.   Lewis, which is close to you, is decent and has some decent placement.   Job placement success is something you should factor into this decision.   You could also look at doing Keller or even a certificate in either if you are not looking at a Masters.   Without the Masters the cert does pretty well, especially if you get something like a PMP cert as well.</p>
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Yep, that's a good one to get. Keller is a good call too.</p>

 

[TSD]

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You name two specific universities that are both private Catholic institutions.</p>
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And? I already checked they wont force me to take classes on fake sky daddies, and they are good schools.</p>


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To Biscuit, job placement isnt an issue I am doing this to get into management in my current employer.</p>

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

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And? I already checked they wont force me to take classes on fake sky daddies, and they are good schools.</p>


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To Biscuit, job placement isnt an issue I am doing this to get into management in my current employer.</p>
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Job placement success is usually also a factor to the quality of education presented, quality of instructors (adjunct as well), and helps to determine the strength of the school.   The adjunct portion is important, because that usually means they are professionals and that experience sometimes is far greater than the book only instructors.   It also gives a wider group of contacts to network with.</p>


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Since you are looking to get into management where you work, do they have guidelines of needs?   Does it need to be a bachelors specifically stating PM or BMA?</p>

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

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And? I already checked they wont force me to take classes on fake sky daddies, and they are good schools.</p>


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To Biscuit, job placement isnt an issue I am doing this to get into management in my current employer.</p>
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Bingo.  It's one of the reasons why I chose DePaul over UIC grad school.  They don't impose their beliefs, so I'm cool with that.  They also had many classes offered in the evening, so it worked out that I could go to grad school full time and still work my full time job.

The other key point is that any work you made is your property.  Many grad schools like USC take ownership of material when produced. </p>

 

[IceHogsFan]

So organized religion is okay if it benefits an individual personally even though .......  ahh, never mind.</p>

 

[R K]

SIU did not take any ownership of any work.  In fact I really enjoyed Grad School there.</p>


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Classes were smaller and far more detailed than undergrad.</p>


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My old employer tried to push me towards Keller for my MBA, the MPA I have wasn't enough.  I declined but some day might go back.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

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So organized religion is okay if it benefits an individual personally even though .......  ahh, never mind.</p>
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As long as the school is okay with him not being catholic and not forcing a theology minor down his throat, and he's okay with the atmosphere, i'm sure they'll give him a degree in exchange for cash even if he's a heathen bastard...like myself.  I don't think organized religion is the crux of religion-based school, hospital/clinic, or businnes, it's cash.</p>

 

[R K]

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As long as the school is okay with him not being catholic and not forcing a theology minor down his throat, and he's okay with the atmosphere, i'm sure they'll give him a degree in exchange for cash even if he's a heathen bastard...like myself.  I don't think organized religion is the crux of religion-based school, hospital/clinic, or businnes, it's cash.</p>
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The guy who says he never Trolls, was trolling.  Go figure.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

Yeah, but he's an amateur troll at-best. </p>


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Now, if his overly-cheerful co-worker would tell him to put a smile on his face and stay positive, and he replied, "As positive as Magic Johnson", then I'd be impressed.</p>


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Anyhow, eneough of a derail:</p>


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TSD: one thing you have to beware of in terms of online universities is their IT support.  I nearly had to give my wife gas money and my pet fire axe affectionately named "Sparky" last night so she can go communicate with their IT manager in a meaningful way.  They had her class blocked out because it was not yet wednesday for us even though all of the fellow students, in other time zones, were able to get into the online class.</p>

 

[BigPete]

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Unless you are going to an Ivy league school, PM or BMA degrees are pretty standard and a dime a dozen.   Lewis, which is close to you, is decent and has some decent placement.   Job placement success is something you should factor into this decision.   You could also look at doing Keller or even a certificate in either if you are not looking at a Masters.   Without the Masters the cert does pretty well, especially if you get something like a PMP cert as well.</p>
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GET THE PMI PMP cert.  This will bring more interest than anything else.</p>


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If you really want some post BA/BS paper then get a graduate certificate in something very applicable to your work.  They only require 9 hours of 500 level course work and are very specific.  I would look at UIUC/UIS/UIC or ISU.  All can be done online and within a very short amount of time.  </p>


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http://www.uis.edu/uiscatalog/</p>
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<div>Graduate Certificate in IT Project Management (9 Hours)</div>
<div>The Certificate in IT Project Management provides information systems practitioners with the fundamental knowledge needed to manage information technology projects. This certificate is awarded on completion of the required coursework. Individuals may work on the certificate part time without being formally enrolled in a degree program, or may complete it as part of the MS degree in Management Information Systems.</div>


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<div>Certificate in Business Process Management (9 Hours) </div>
<div>The Certificate in Business Process Management provides information systems practitioners with the fundamental knowledge needed to be able to successfully analyze, define, and design organizational processes and to effectively apply information technology to these processes. This certificate is awarded upon completion of the required coursework. Individuals may work on the certificate part time without being formally enrolled in a degree program, or may complete it as part of the MS degree in Management Information Systems. </div>


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[BigPete]

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I know U of I has online programs albeit not listed in that list.  Biggest thing is those 4 year schools rape online students from out of state in per credit hour cost.  But the big benefit there, is the degree you get is no different than if you earned your degree on campus.</p>
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Please look at U of I schools again.  I just finished my Bach of Business Admin at UIS, all online (except my associates that filled my gen/ed requirements).  The course work was taught by classroom teachers, was the exact same curriculum and the only difference was that I didn't have to go sit in front of someone to take a long ass test (save 4 courses that required a proctor).  </p>


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The Grad certificate programs would suit you much better than spending/wasting your time and money getting an MBA or Masters (for MIS/CS).  I highly doubt your company will offer you a big management promotion just because you spent 36 hours and thousands of dollars getting that masters.</p>

 

[BigPete]

Whether people realize or accept the notion, most schools are getting away from students having to take silly, long-ass, multiple choice tests like we all grew up taking.  This is going to happen at all levels of education k-12 and higher ed.  Not just undergrad.</p>


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They are finally realizing, after 75 years!!!!!!, that a person's ability to cram shit in their head and spew it back out in a one hour test does not show that they learned the material and can apply it or retain it past that exam.</p>

 

[R K]

Having a Son about ready to start college (today is his first class) I'm amazed at the variety of class types they have to choose from.  It's pretty awesome compared to my time at the University.</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

College....</p>


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!</p>


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How Quaint....</p>


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--Signed</p>


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College Dropout</p>

 

[TSD]

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Please look at U of I schools again.  I just finished my Bach of Business Admin at UIS, all online (except my associates that filled my gen/ed requirements).  The course work was taught by classroom teachers, was the exact same curriculum and the only difference was that I didn't have to go sit in front of someone to take a long ass test (save 4 courses that required a proctor).  </p>


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The Grad certificate programs would suit you much better than spending/wasting your time and money getting an MBA or Masters (for MIS/CS).  I highly doubt your company will offer you a big management promotion just because you spent 36 hours and thousands of dollars getting that masters.</p>
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Thats actually why I was going to go, getting another bachelors route, as opposed to an MS.  I could finish it in a year, because I already have a degree and like 160 credits.  Most 2nd bach programs only require 30 credit hours whereas masters is generally 60.  and I wasnt knocking U of I I was talking about out of state online programs being more expensive.   and what is the onlines entrance requirements?  They rejected me when I was 19 with a 3.6 HS GPA and a 3.2 JJC GPA after 2 years, as U of I was my first choice, and ISU was my second.</p>


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The thing is it would totally help me, I am one level below management (and 2 levels below executive).  Having something other than technical credentials will most definitely help me advance.</p>

 

[IceHogsFan]

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Yeah, but he's an amateur troll at-best. </p>


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Now, if his overly-cheerful co-worker would tell him to put a smile on his face and stay positive, and he replied, "As positive as Magic Johnson", then I'd be impressed.</p>


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Anyhow, eneough of a derail:</p>


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I think I have a valid point that certainly applies to this thread.</p>


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With the numerous bashings of organized religion here and the absurdly small minded people who buy into such shenanigans, (according to some) it would seem to me that those same individuals who have such a passion of dislike for all things Christian, Catholic, Protestant or organized in any manner would never do anything with any place or person that embodies the vary beliefs that they despise so much.</p>


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I don't find it to be a troll but maybe a derail as others have often done.</p>


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How does it feel to have one's integrity questioned and hypocrisy pointed out?</p>


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Just sayin'</p>

 

[TSD]

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So organized religion is okay if it benefits an individual personally even though .......  ahh, never mind.</p>
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If I had to take any religious classes I assure you it would be crossed off my list.  You mistake my atheism for not wanting anything to do with people of faith, if that were the case I would be disassociated from my entire family.  I am fine with religious entities as long as they are not forcing anything on anyone, and a private catholic college hardly does such, they even allow you to attend without taking religious classes.</p>


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My point being, the college is really "religious" in name only.</p>