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Them being good schools has as much to do about being private as it does being catholic. What does being catholic do to benefit the educational aspect of the school other than a built in enrollment base. It's like you are trying to say that a catholic teacher is smarter than a non-catholic teacher?</p>
 

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Them being good schools has as much to do about being private as it does being catholic. What does being catholic do to benefit the educational aspect of the school other than a built in enrollment base. It's like you are trying to say that a catholic teacher is smarter than a non-catholic teacher?</p>
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Who? I just said its a good school which is why I dont give a shit if its catholic as long as they dont make me take religious courses, by no means did I imply catholic teachers were better than anyone else, I am more than open to public schools.</p>


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I was just responding to IHF's inquiry as to how an atheist can possibly tolerate a catholic school.  TO which my response was, easy, if its a good school and they dont shove jesus down my throat, its that simple.</p>
 

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IHF if there was a school run by the American Atheist society and it was the top school in the country for whatever subject your child wanted to study and they got a full ride to said school, and Theology (which would include atheism) is not a requirement for classes, you seriously mean to tell me you would try and get your kid not to go, just because its run by atheists?</p>


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I mean seriously by your logic, I shouldn't buy anything, or work for anyone, because the odds are I am buying and working for theists, its just stupid.</p>
 

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TSD I think the word you are looking for is Hypocrisy.  Although I might be looking at things from "outside" said box.</p>
 

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TSD I think the word you are looking for is Hypocrisy.  Although I might be looking at things from "outside" said box.</p>
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Dont get me wrong, I totally get what hes implying in that, if I dislike religion so much why would I associate myself with a religious entity.</p>


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The simple answer is because the fact its a religious entity is relative, its not trying to convert me to a catholic, it wont even make me take religious classes, they give me an education I give them money, its as simple as that.  I mean by the same logic shouldn't they not want to take heathen money? That was no doubt acquired by heathen means?  They dont give a shit, so neither do I.</p>


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I would attend the school still thinking any catholics there are stupid for believing that shit, doesn't change who I am.</p>
 

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I probably wouldn't even look to a Catholic school in the first place.  Not really because I don't believe or disbelieve in religion, verses I think most religious entities are purely based on the same hypocrisy their parent organizations are built upon.</p>


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But I neither believe or disbelieve.  I also have no feeling to anyone else that does or doesn't, nor would I judge them in any way shape or form.</p>


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To each his own.</p>
 

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Dont get me wrong, I totally get what hes implying in that, if I dislike religion so much why would I associate myself with a religious entity.</p>


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The simple answer is because the fact its a religious entity is relative, its not trying to convert me to a catholic, it wont even make me take religious classes, they give me an education I give them money, its as simple as that.  I mean by the same logic shouldn't they not want to take heathen money? That was no doubt acquired by heathen means?  They dont give a shit, so neither do I.</p>


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I would attend the school still thinking any catholics there are stupid for believing that shit, doesn't change who I am.</p>
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I think we understand each other by my comments and yours.</p>
 

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Who? I just said its a good school which is why I dont give a shit if its catholic as long as they dont make me take religious courses, by no means did I imply catholic teachers were better than anyone else, I am more than open to public schools.</p>


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I was just responding to IHF's inquiry as to how an atheist can possibly tolerate a catholic school.  TO which my response was, easy, if its a good school and they dont shove jesus down my throat, its that simple.</p>
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I wasn't responding to you, I thought I had quoted him. A good school is a good school. I would go anywhere that wasn't discriminatory based on religion. And I would send my kid there as well.</p>
 

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IHF if there was a school run by the American Atheist society and it was the top school in the country for whatever subject your child wanted to study and they got a full ride to said school, and Theology (which would include atheism) is not a requirement for classes, you seriously mean to tell me you would try and get your kid not to go, just because its run by atheists?</p>


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I mean seriously by your logic, I shouldn't buy anything, or work for anyone, because the odds are I am buying and working for theists, its just stupid.</p>
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I think IHF's point was, that there are atheists here that openly bash organized religion, yet would still go to a Catholic school (not saying you bashed, don't remember). But IHF doesn't open bash Atheists which is why he says going to a Catholic school is hypocritical.</p>


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I could be way of though, and I hope I explained it well enough... </p>
 

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I think I have a valid point that certainly applies to this thread.</p>


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With the numerous bashings of organized religion here and the absurdly small minded people who buy into such shenanigans, (according to some) it would seem to me that those same individuals who have such a passion of dislike for all things Christian, Catholic, Protestant or organized in any manner would never do anything with any place or person that embodies the vary beliefs that they despise so much.</p>


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I don't find it to be a troll but maybe a derail as others have often done.</p>


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How does it feel to have one's integrity questioned and hypocrisy pointed out?</p>


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Just sayin'</p>
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Just as a point of contention, it could also be argued that a religion-basher would consider going to a religious university as a point of corrupting their halls with their heretical ways.  Kinda like a vocal anti-catholic having sex in a confessional booth.</p>


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Still, I though the sheer absurdity of my post would have been clear, my apologies.</p>


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I do think though that the only level of hypocrisy in all of this would be if TSD would go to a catholic school and take theology classes which the school has marked as mandatory just to get a degree by said school.  If the school professes to be whatever religion and allows non-religious people to attend and not take the classes there, i don't see any more hypocrisy in that than someone like me going to a religous-based hospital for treatment. </p>
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I wasn't responding to you, I thought I had quoted him. A good school is a good school. I would go anywhere that wasn't discriminatory based on religion. And I would send my kid there as well.</p>
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Agreed.  My wife was looking into Seattle U for awhile--a catholic school.  Ultimately she didn't go there because their psych programme only went up to masters, not PhD.</p>


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I think IHF's point was, that there are atheists here that openly bash organized religion, yet would still go to a Catholic school (not saying you bashed, don't remember). But IHF doesn't open bash Atheists which is why he says going to a Catholic school is hypocritical.</p>


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I could be way of though, and I hope I explained it well enough... </p>
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That's pretty much how I took it.  I personally don't like organized religion as a concept but on the same token, If I avoided every business attached to a specific religion I didn't like it would be stupid--as stupid as said business not doing business with me for the same reason--goods are to be had and cash is to be earned.  Discrimination and commerce don't mix. </p>


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Conversley though, if there were highly-accredited Islam, Pagan, Satanist, or other religion of evil du jure schools out there, I think there would be those saying any Christian who went to them to get the highly-coveted degree is hypocritical, and there would be others--if said universities didn't require classes on their professed dogma, who would take it as something purely motivated by money and the desire of a degree--religion doesn't enter into it.</p>
 

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Conversley though, if there were highly-accredited Islam, Pagan, Satanist, or other religion of evil du jure schools out there, I think there would be those saying any Christian who went to them to get the highly-coveted degree is hypocritical, and there would be others--if said universities didn't require classes on their professed dogma, who would take it as something purely motivated by money and the desire of a degree--religion doesn't enter into it.</p>
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But only if they were a Christian that openly bashed Islam, Pagan...</p>


Christians are openly bashed all the time on these boards, Atheism is not.</p>
 

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But only if they were a Christian that openly bashed Islam, Pagan...</p>


Christians are openly bashed all the time on these boards, Atheism is not.</p>
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Well through out history there is a fairly good reason for that.</p>


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They killed the Atheists......</p>
 

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Good discussion and those commenting on my posts are right on.</p>


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So, when it is all said and done, for the "bashing" that goes on in IHN about organized religion, I guess I my point is this....</p>


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Not everything about organized religion is horrible, is it? Of course, I do not believe that myself because I see the greater good while some prefer to only see damnation.</p>


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Thanks for listening peeps.</p>


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Edited; by the way TCD I just recently attended Lewis for a good part of the day for my daughter's college education and quite frankly, it is one of the top contenders. Being a Catholic university is not a criteria for us but we see it as a positive plus the curriculum for the field she is looking into is very limited within Illinois.</p>


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I grew up in Lemont and Lockport and never knew anything about Lewis until our visit. I was quite impressed for a smaller bodied school.</p>
 

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At no point did DePaul ever step in while I was making any of my films, and I also did a short reflexive documentary about my lapse in catholicism. 

The school did step in when a faculty member did a short film about breast cancer, and requested that the DePaul name not be anywhere on her film.  I think it had to do with the interesting subject matter within.


As TSD stated, if the university decided to conveniently edit my content to their desires I would find another university to finish my degree.

Does IHF find it ironic if another religious denomination attends the university?  We had a few Jewish and Muslim professors.  Is that ironic?


I also interact daily with people of many faiths at my job.  There was a prayer today at our graduation at work.  I chose not to participate.  It's a pretty simple thing to abstain from that activity.</p>


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I think IHF may be mistaking my atheism for bashing religion.  If I raise a debate in a thread it has been mistaken in the past for "bashing" by certain posters.  The mere mention that I am an atheist to some individuals immediately spawns offense.  I can't help people in that manner if they can't hold an elementary conversation. 

I don't care who worships what as long as it does not interfere with other's lives. 


If people find it ironic that I graduated from DePaul (with honors), so be it.  

I guess I should avoid a religiously run hospital the next time I have a kidney stone.  

The whole "I guess not everything is wrong with organized religion" is a weak argument (am I bashing you/religion?).  I'd be happy to participate in a thread about organized religion, and I promise you that I'll make it interesting. </p>


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But only if they were a Christian that openly bashed Islam, Pagan...</p>


Christians are openly bashed all the time on these boards, Atheism is not.</p>
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It's been a pretty slow summer.


Jokes aside, I'm not going to come into your house and take away your right to worship.  Like I just posted, I'd like to have a religion thread on the boards in which we could banter back and forth.  It can be a healthy conversation as long as Big Pete doesn't **** it all up (I kid, I kid).</p>
 

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I consider myself a Christian, but by no means am I very religious. I was just commenting on posts I've seen that bash, not pointing fingers at you or anyone in particular.</p>


I was usually avoid reading the religion threads because they always seemed to turn ugly. But the topic pops up in a lot of threads so it's hard to avoid them completely.</p>
 

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He'd really **** things up if he found religion again.... :icon-twisted:</p>
 

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He'd really **** things up if he found religion again.... :icon-twisted:</p>
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It's not like losing a set of car keys.  :eek:ccasion-clown:</p>
 

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I consider myself a Christian, but by no means am I very religious. I was just commenting on posts I've seen that bash, not pointing fingers at you or anyone in particular.</p>


I was usually avoid reading the religion threads because they always seemed to turn ugly. But the topic pops up in a lot of threads so it's hard to avoid them completely.</p>
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If you start a food thread and the next post is "**** Jesus," then it's a problem. </p>


I think I just gave Jako an idea. </p>
 

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