Cubs Argument thread/D3A's explainin thread

[Rice Cube]

BIG MARKET team like the Cubs should be SPENDING ON BOTH!!!!!! I think theres where you guys let Ricketts off the hook. NYY, BOS, PHI are spending on MLB and FARM!!!

Actually NYY and BOS aren't spending on MLB because they can't afford to go to far over the luxury tax threshold. They spent on MLB before and are sort of paying for it now even though they will continue to be good at baseball.

What we've also talked about is that while Chicago is in a big market and should spend on both, there's little point in spending oodles on MLB right now. I guess I'll leave it at that since you're about to have a coronary.

 

[FirstTimer]

Rice, why is this still open? d3a continues to be a Special person and is going back to points that we have already swatted down and proven wrong or stupid.

We're seriously back to the McDonalds parking lot.

I think this thread and d3a's terrible logic and retardation has run it's course.

 

[Rice Cube]

Rice, why is this still open? d3a continues to be a Special person and is going back to points that we have already swatted down and proven wrong or stupid.

We're seriously back to the McDonalds parking lot.

I think this thread and d3a's terrible logic and retardation has run it's course.

I think we'll wait for vick to chime in so he doesn't shit his pants if I lock the thread without his permission.

 

[daddies3angels]

Actually NYY and BOS aren't spending on MLB because they can't afford to go to far over the luxury tax threshold. They spent on MLB before and are sort of paying for it now even though they will continue to be good at baseball.

What we've also talked about is that while Chicago is in a big market and should spend on both, there's little point in spending oodles on MLB right now. I guess I'll leave it at that since you're about to have a coronary.

NYY and BOS ALREADY paying for MLB!!!! there not spending cause they arleady are paying 170 mil +...... Thats a horrible argument. Cubs on field payroll this year will be 90 mil.. Next year be around 60 mil.... So till Cubs get past 150 mil dont bring up how NYY and BOS not payign for MLB talent.. CAUSE THEY ARE!!!

 

[daddies3angels]

Rice, why is this still open? d3a continues to be a Special person and is going back to points that we have already swatted down and proven wrong or stupid.

We're seriously back to the McDonalds parking lot.

I think this thread and d3a's terrible logic and retardation has run it's course.

you never have any word on why its ok to spend 20 mil on McDonalds parking lot? How that help the Cubs in the future? OH IT DOESNT...

 

[FirstTimer]

I think we'll wait for vick to chime in so he doesn't shit his pants if I lock the thread without his permission.

**** vick.

he's been MIA.

End this shit.

For the good of d3a's children so he can start paying more attention to them.

 

[Rice Cube]

NYY and BOS ALREADY paying for MLB!!!! there not spending cause they arleady are paying 170 mil +...... Thats a horrible argument.

Um...yeah, I just said that. They splurged on free agency and are now saddled with aging, declining talent who are still good but aren't worth what they are being paid. Which is why they can't spend on big names and need to trim payroll before the big luxury taxes hit. I realize that your stated plan will keep the Cubs under the luxury tax threshold, but the Cubs could spend that $150MM and still not be anywhere as good as the Yankees, Red Sox or Phillies.

So...what's the point?

 

[daddies3angels]

**** vick.

he's been MIA.

End this shit.

For the good of d3a's children so he can start paying more attention to them.

Cant handle being out argued?

 

[FirstTimer]

you never have any word on why its ok to spend 20 mil on McDonalds parking lot?

Ummm....

you How that help the Cubs in the future? OH IT DOESNT...

It's part of the Wrigley neighborhood renovation. Buying land in order to reuse it at a later time as part of the reconstruction of the area. This is pretty damn easy to understand. The reconstruction of the area increases revenus streams for the team once completed and opens more funds to availibility to spend on teh baseball team.

Really easy concept.

 

[FirstTimer]

Cant handle being out argued?

By who?

:rolling:

You've proven nothing but the fact that you're a n absolute fucking Special person. And likely a horrible father.

 

[daddies3angels]

Um...yeah, I just said that. They splurged on free agency and are now saddled with aging, declining talent who are still good but aren't worth what they are being paid. Which is why they can't spend on big names and need to trim payroll before the big luxury taxes hit. I realize that your stated plan will keep the Cubs under the luxury tax threshold, but the Cubs could spend that $150MM and still not be anywhere as good as the Yankees, Red Sox or Phillies.

So...what's the point?

Your actually saying NYY and BOS not happy with money they are spending? Even though they both will prolly win 90 + games., Both will sell out all home games. You ask any BOS or NYY fan if they are upset there team spends 170 mil + and they will ALL SAY NO!!!!!

Where stupid Cub fans like you rather see payroll under 100 mil AND SUCK at 70 wins then see payroll around 150 mil WHILE being compeitive.

 

[Rice Cube]

Cant handle being out argued?

At this point you're not arguing...you're shouting.

If an impartial observer came in to this thread they'd see that one side was making cogent points about why the Cubs are doing what they're doing and the other was freaking out. Chill out and have a beer.

 

[FirstTimer]

Ricketts family buys McDonald's land across from Wrigley Field - Chicago Tribune

The owners of the Chicago Cubs bought property across the street from Wrigley Field from McDonald's Corp. for $20 million, expanding their opportunities to redevelop areas around the stadium.
The parcel is on the northwest corner of Clark and Addison streets that is home to a McDonald's restaurant and a large parking lot. Cook County property records show that the sale, first reported by Crain's, closed on Nov. 18.


A spokesman for Cubs Chairman Tom Ricketts said he and his family have not developed plans for the property yet. The Ricketts family bought the Chicago Cubs, Wrigley Field and related assets from Tribune Co., parent of the Chicago Tribune, in 2009.

"It's not often that a parcel becomes available in Wrigleyville, and they wanted to take advantage of this opportunity," said spokesman Dennis Culloton.

The McDonald's property is on a valuable corner that fits nicely into the family's big plans to own more of the entertainment dollars that baseball fans spend on game days. The area around Wrigley Field has become a lucrative entertainment district with bars, restaurants and rooftops catering to fans. But nearly all of the properties are owned by other landlords.

The Ricketts family owns a triangle parcel next to Wrigley Field that it wants to develop. But those plans are tied into a larger proposal to renovate Wrigley Field. The family has been seeking state and local taxpayer incentives to help finance more than $200 million in renovations to Wrigley Field, which will be 100 years old in 2014.

Their original plan, which included the use of amusement taxes paid on Cubs tickets, received little political support. But the family continues to have conversations about public financing with Mayor Rahm Emanuel and members of the General Assembly.

With the McDonald's property, the family can expand the scale of its development plans to generate more jobs and property taxes, which could attract more political support for public financing of stadium improvements.

In the meantime, McDonald's will continue to own and operate the restaurant on the property. Next baseball season, the Cubs owners plan to erect a merchandise tent in the parking lot. The agreement with the Ricketts family calls for a McDonald's restaurant to be included in any future redevelopment of the property.

McDonald's officials could not be immediately reached for comment

 

[Rice Cube]

**** vick.

he's been MIA.

End this shit.

For the good of d3a's children so he can start paying more attention to them.

Lemme ask CNM what he thinks and then we'll probably close it at some point.

 

[daddies3angels]

At this point you're not arguing...you're shouting.

If an impartial observer came in to this thread they'd see that one side was making cogent points about why the Cubs are doing what they're doing and the other was freaking out. Chill out and have a beer.

You told me to do what i would do this FA. Then i get blasted for doing that. All you guys do is want to argue that spending less then 100 mil payroll for 70 win team is better then spending 150 mil on 85 + win team.

 

[FirstTimer]

It's almost like everything we psot is backed up by facts..and whatever d3a posts is backed up by....well..nothing.

 

[FirstTimer]

You told me to do what i would do this FA. Then i get blasted for doing that. All you guys do is want to argue that spending less then 100 mil payroll for 70 win team is better then spending 150 mil on 85 + win team.

You can't even say that 150 million would get them there for 1. and 2. Long term, no it's not good. We've shown you why, you've seen why, yet you're too stupid to understand it.

 

[daddies3angels]

Ricketts family buys McDonald's land across from Wrigley Field - Chicago Tribune

Exactly. To help Ricketts make more money long term. Doesnt help the Cubs win NOW or even 5 yrs down the road

 

[Rice Cube]

You told me to do what i would do this FA. Then i get blasted for doing that. All you guys do is want to argue that spending less then 100 mil payroll for 70 win team is better then spending 150 mil on 85 + win team.

That's not the argument. The argument is that your plan to spend $150MM won't even get this team to 85 wins. I'm not blasting you. I'm just telling you that your plan is more expensive and risky than practical.

 

[FirstTimer]

Doesnt help the Cubs win NOW or even 5 yrs down the road

Uhh..yes it does. if Rickett's and the organization have more money...they have more money to spend on players.

How fucking stupid are you?