Cubs Playing Blame Game for '08 Collapse?

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Choi was hyped just as much...

and other players have bounced back from injuries. He had a helluva 1st half of one season. How many players have done that?

Agreed, but injuries really robbed him of his power. Now he can barely put the ball out of the infield, it is not because he forgot how to do it.... his body is broken down.
 

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its a consipary, lol, ahh Cubbie frustrations, never get old
 

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Agreed, but injuries really robbed him of his power. Now he can barely put the ball out of the infield, it is not because he forgot how to do it.... his body is broken down.

I'll agree w/ this 100%, but it doesn't change the fact that the dude was over-hyped by us. He was always a free-swinger, when we needed a guy to work the count, find a way to get on base, and run his ass off. He never fully utilized the tools he was given. Juan Pierre can barely put the ball out of the infield either, but he had a pretty productive career finding ways to get on base and steal.
 

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I'll agree w/ this 100%, but it doesn't change the fact that the dude was over-hyped by us. He was always a free-swinger, when we needed a guy to work the count, find a way to get on base, and run his ass off. He never fully utilized the tools he was given. Juan Pierre can barely put the ball out of the infield either, but he had a pretty productive career finding ways to get on base and steal.

He was a 3rd hitter, misused by us as a lead off guy. He will never be a leadoff hitter, his swing to too big. If he gave a shit now, which he clearly doesn't, he could try to develop a Pierre swing. But he wont, because he is Corey FUCKIN' Patterson.
 

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If Garza was so damn good then why did the Twins dump his ass first?

They don't seem to miss him or Santana.
 

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If Garza was so damn good then why did the Twins dump his ass first?

They don't seem to miss him or Santana.
$$ partialy at least for Johan
They bulid teams the way they should be bulit. If they could go out and get a few FA's y each year they would be scary. To bad they dont have the funds. They made a mistake by not trading Torri Hunter before FA but thats the only one i can remember.
 

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wow. just wow.

When will the blame ever stop. The Cubs fell apart in 08, plain and simple.

Blaming a goat
Blaming Bartman
Blaming Juiced Ramirez

:rolleyes:

makes me sick that all these years of losing fingers are pointed at everyone else but themselves.
 

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Im not gonna lie.. Ramirez by himself really pissed me off. That in itself doesn't take the entire reason why the Cubs lost.

It really pisses me off though.. Especially that one mammoth home run that he dug out of the dirt.. That's almost damn near in-human.
 

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wow. just wow.

When will the blame ever stop. The Cubs fell apart in 08, plain and simple.

Blaming a goat
Blaming Bartman
Blaming Juiced Ramirez

:rolleyes:

makes me sick that all these years of losing fingers are pointed at everyone else but themselves.

Stick to white sox baseball, bro...you have no freaking idea what true cubs fans think. You watch a bit too much ESPN and like to annoy Cubs posters. Take your moddiness back to the south side of the forum.
 

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wow. just wow.

When will the blame ever stop. The Cubs fell apart in 08, plain and simple.

Blaming a goat
Blaming Bartman
Blaming Juiced Ramirez

:rolleyes:

makes me sick that all these years of losing fingers are pointed at everyone else but themselves.

See why we need a individual Cubs mod?
 

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Choi was hyped just as much...

and other players have bounced back from injuries. He had a helluva 1st half of one season. How many players have done that?

Choi was a lot better than people remember him being. He was never really given a fair shake.

Patterson well he was rushed and forced to lead off. Had we used him right and been patient he would still be playing CF for us.
 

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And don't even bring up that rotation. That feel on upper management for hiring Dusty Baker. All he does is kill young pitchers, look at the reds right now.

What about them?

One good season out of 3...and were swept out of the playoffs? Harang is ruined, Homer Bailey and Johnny Cueto are ALWAYS on the shelf? Hell, he did the exact same thing for the Cubs. Let's see Dusty sustain that before he gets any credit from me.


(reds are damn tough tho).
 

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Stick to white sox baseball, bro...you have no freaking idea what true cubs fans think. You watch a bit too much ESPN and like to annoy Cubs posters. Take your moddiness back to the south side of the forum.

facts are the facts.

your "cub" fans blame everyone else, it is always everyone else who is at fault. how am I not correct?
 

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facts are the facts.

your "cub" fans blame everyone else, it is always everyone else who is at fault. how am I not correct?

LOL that isnt true not every Cubs fan does that. The reason we didnt win was defense and Dusty Baker left Prior in to long. Our defense has always plauged us and defense is critical.
 

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LOL that isnt true not every Cubs fan does that. The reason we didnt win was defense and Dusty Baker left Prior in to long. Our defense has always plauged us and defense is critical.

:clap::clap:

you are fine in my book
 

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LOL that isnt true not every Cubs fan does that. The reason we didnt win was defense and Dusty Baker left Prior in to long. Our defense has always plauged us and defense is critical.

Only problem was we were one of the top defensive infields all season long.

Defense was a given, the fact it struggled had nothing to do with stats.
 

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facts are the facts.

your "cub" fans blame everyone else, it is always everyone else who is at fault. how am I not correct?

Not going to get in a pissing contest w/ you over this, just stay outta the Cubs forum if you can't be subjective. Quit being a major doucher.
 

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Not going to get in a pissing contest w/ you over this, just stay outta the Cubs forum if you can't be subjective. Quit being a major doucher.

how am i being a doucher? because I state the facts? quit being an aplologist
 

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how am i being a doucher? because I state the facts? quit being an aplologist

what the hell are you talking about...you're saying "You cub fans"...I don't know a single fucking cubs fan that blames them losing on Manny being on steroids...do you honestly know of one that has EVER said that?

"facts"...lmfao.
 

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