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Cause your realism is misdirected. At this point, you arent even trying to talk baseball. Its a shame Pat.

Its taken this long for some to realize he only on here trying to be like and continue what boyd did..
He not on this board to discuss anything, he only here to dusrupt and turn this forum into a laughing stock that others wont want to participate in anymore.
Why he has been allowed to continue on here is beyond me.

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Its taken this long for some to realize he only on here trying to be like and continue what boyd did..
He not on this board to discuss anything, he only here to dusrupt and turn this forum into a laughing stock that others wont want to participate in anymore.
Why he has been allowed to continue on here is beyond me.

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So Its ok to be positive and :fap: but negative fans arent allowed on here??? so I take it you just want the positive posters so you can have the theo circle jerk. He has his opinions and so do you...thats what forums are for. Just because you disagree with him doesnt mean he should be gone.


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So Its ok to be positive and :fap: but negative fans arent allowed on here??? so I take it you just want the positive posters so you can have the theo circle jerk. He has his opinions and so do you...thats what forums are for. Just because you disagree with him doesnt mean he should be gone.


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See the title of the thread.

Everyone understands that not every prospect will work out, no need to mock whoever posts something that is the literal purpose of the thread.
 

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See the title of the thread.

Everyone understands that not every prospect will work out, no need to mock whoever posts something that is the literal purpose of the thread.

I dont care what the title is. If there is a prospect discussion and one member is negative and has differing opinions than others its not a big deal.


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So Its ok to be positive and :fap: but negative fans arent allowed on here??? so I take it you just want the positive posters so you can have the theo circle jerk. He has his opinions and so do you...thats what forums are for. Just because you disagree with him doesnt mean he should be gone.


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Its not about being positive or negative. Its about being able to have simple conversations on a topic without it being turned into a theo sucks Ricketts cheap fest and if someone likes something their theo lovers and sheeps.. I mean seriously ?
This guy not on here to have baseball conversations, he trying to be like his pal boyd..

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Its not about being positive or negative. Its about being able to have simple conversations on a topic without it being turned into a theo sucks Ricketts cheap fest and if someone likes something their theo lovers and sheeps.. I mean seriously ?

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ok I get it....but if there is going to be theo :fap: ers than its fair game for haters. I do see both the kool aid kids and the negative nancys. its ok...just post your own feelings and opinions.


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ok I get it....but if there is going to be theo :fap: ers than its fair game for haters. I do see both the kool aid kids and the negative nancys. its ok...just post your own feelings and opinions.


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I agree. Ive seen a couple on here most likely instigating him with the theo love. But most who post regularly are just trying to talk about the game and something positive from this team.
Like what started all this, it's a photo of the team 2nd best prospect hitting a homer.. who cares who he hit it off of , if your a fan of the team you want to see these players do positive things no matter the situations.

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I agree. Ive seen a couple on here most likely instigating him with the theo love. But most who post regularly are just trying to talk about the game and something positive from this team.
Like what started all this, it's a photo of the team 2nd best prospect hitting a homer.. who cares who he hit it off of , if your a fan of the team you want to see these players do positive things no matter the situations.

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Wouldn't you agree that perspective is needed when a prospect hits a HR in

spring training
off a non-roster invitee
when the game is out of hand already
 

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Wouldn't you agree that perspective is needed when a prospect hits a HR in

spring training
off a non-roster invitee
when the game is out of hand already

Perspective wasn't needed at that point.. it was simply a photo with kris bryant first at bat homerered written above it..
This is a thread about the cubs prospects, wheather he hit it off of a scrub or a veteran allstar in first inning or last no one over reacted to it in a positive way but one made a point to over react to it negatively.. thats the problem, if this guy is truly a cubs fan, he can dislike Ricketts and epstein all he wants but to not be a little happy that your team 2nd best prospect did something positive and felt the need to trash it just shows he has an agenda on here.. could've just simply ignored the photo but no he had to have something negative to say as he always does.

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There's a difference between adding "perspective" and taking every opportunity to proclaim anyone who thinks a prospect will pan out is a sheep. Perspective is me saying 70% of top 100 prospects don't pan out to be average or better players with pointing out the research that shows it. It's entirely something else to ridicule people for saying anything positive about a prospect because of it. Also, you certainly don't need to point it out every time you post. I frankly don't really care if that's someone's opinion but to have someone say it over and over and over just gets quite stale. What can I respond to it that I haven't already the last 50 times?
 

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Wouldn't you agree that perspective is needed when a prospect hits a HR in

spring training
off a non-roster invitee
when the game is out of hand already

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ok I get it....but if there is going to be theo :fap: ers than its fair game for haters. I do see both the kool aid kids and the negative nancys. its ok...just post your own feelings and opinions.


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For what it's worth, Kris Bryant went 0-1 today. I guess he is back to his old self. Trade him!

Javier Baez went 2-3 today with a double and run scored. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!

HOF, here we come.
 

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I dont care what the title is. If there is a prospect discussion and one member is negative and has differing opinions than others its not a big deal.


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Nobody cares if somebody is critical of a prospect or analyzes things they need to work on, but the problem with everyone who's "negative" is that they're completely unrealistic and just rides the side of the fence saying, "None of these guys are going to work out. Theo sucks. Blah blah." It's fucking old. It's a tired schtick. I mean, if it were even the least bit funny, I wouldn't tire of it.

I understand that many, if not all of these prospects, won't turn into future Hall of Famers. Shit, they might not make an All-Star game. But the negative nancys need to have a more comprehensive understanding of some of these guys and their development. Almora, Bryant and Baez all have fairly high floors and project to be, at worst, average major leaguers with multiple above-average skills. And just because I know somebody is going to be a smart ass -- yes, I'm aware they might not be. They could all suffer a catastrophic injury and never play again. I keep saying it -- baseball is a game of averages. You can air on the side of caution, I'll continue to be optimistic.

I've said it dozens of times on here and unfortunately it falls on deaf ears -- I've very, very high on Baez, Almora and Bryant. I think all three of them will make at least one All-Star game in their careers, with Almora projecting to be a very solid, Bernie Williams-type guy with better defense for a long time. Bryant and Baez have superstar make-ups at premium positions (Once again, I'm not saying it's a guarantee, but both guys have elite skills. Generally speaking, those guys "make it," even if they don't turn into Hall of Famers, JD Drew comes to mind).

I think a guy like Alcantara is well-rounded enough to make an impact at a middle infield position. Vogelbach could turn into a Billy Butler-type player with no defensive position but an above-average stick and ample power. The Cubs are ripe with projectable position players, and for people who just want to be negative for the sake of being negative, it's just irritating. Do some research.

At the same time, I'm not nearly as high on Jorge Soler. There's something that scares me about the injury he suffered last year and I think he's a bit behind his projection curve offensively. He doesn't show proper discipline on breaking stuff and he tries to pull anything that isn't a fastball. There's also rumblings that his attitude sucks. He appears to be the kind of player that tries to get away with being a supreme athlete. Those guys generally either figure it out and become productive or flounder around from job to job. Out of everyone, he's the biggest risk -- and he's making the most money. It's a scary proposition.

The lack of top-tier pitching prospects across the board is a concern. CJ Edwards and Corey Black both have plus offerings, but ultimate project as relievers due to their gaunt frames. Pierce Johnson and Kyle Hendricks have both improved drastically but project to be #3's if they fully develop. Ramirez, Underwood, and Zastryzny all lack a reliable third pitch. Ramirez has injury concerns and Underwood and Zastryzny both have lower ceilings. It scares me that the Cubs may end up having to dump premium dollars in free agency to sure up their rotation, especially when it comes to frontline guys.

But yeah, I'm totally drinking the Vizcaino Kool-Aid. The guy throws absolute gas and has two plus pitches. He'll probably never be a starter, but he certainly has the stuff of a lock-down closer. And you know what? I'm totally fine with that. If he's able to slide into the bullpen alongside Strop and Veras, our bullpen could end up being one of the better groups in baseball.

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I've seen more agenda being pushed vs educated opinion regarding the prospects.

Friking S/T. Nothing matters until opening day.

Will they suck. Most likely. Games need to be played first.

Are the Rickett's under funding the team. Yes payroll has gone down every year.

We get it.

Will they pan out...again time will tell. But saying hey he blasted a nice HR. nothing wrong with that regardless of the situation or who was on the mound.

Shoot if that was Kershaw up there the I would love to see the reactions.

For myself: I'm still following this team. Been doing it for over 30 years regardless and I still for some reason still look forward to opening day. See if any of the wait becomes worth it.

I was one of the guys that wanted Cuban to buy the club but that doesn't change my fandom. Swear game is boring to watch at times/couldn't see following another baseball team.
 

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Wouldn't you agree that perspective is needed when a prospect hits a HR in

spring training
off a non-roster invitee
when the game is out of hand already

And I guess when you mention all of this that is somehow not even trying to talk about baseball to the fanboys.
 
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