Cub's Prospect Watch And Development Discussion Thread

[patg006]

THIS HOME RUN DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, HE'S A TALENT-LESS HACK. NO CUBS PROSPECT WILL EVER MAKE IT AS LONG AS THEO IS WITHIN 5,000 MILES OF CHICAGO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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You are really good at criticizing comments that no one has every made.

Care to discuss statements that have actually been made?

 

[patg006]

No, because it wasn't in the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded off of Mariano Rivera in Game 7 of the World Series. That's the only time we can talk about a Cubs prospect doing something positive.

Nope.

I guess you can't actually talk accurately about comments that were made.

 

[chibears55]

No one mentioned Theo or Ricketts.

It was simply pointed out that the HR was hit off a 32 year old career minor league pitcher in a 13-1 ballgame.

Yet you decided to whine about someone posting about Theo and Ricketts sucking. I mean seriously?

LMAO sorry but. you are one sad desperate person

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[patg006]

Are we allowed to talk about this HR since it was off a major league pitcher?

It holds a lot more validity then a HR off a guy who will probably be out of baseball in the next six months.

 

[Jntg4]

It holds a lot more validity then a HR off a guy who will probably be out of baseball in the next six months.

So first one must hold validity, then hit a homer.

 

[dabynsky]

So first one must hold validity, then hit a homer.

[video=youtube;yCNr9pILRB8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCNr9pILRB8[/video]

 

[nwfisch]

Yeah, because this has any relevance to the conversation we're having about ceilings/skill sets/positional depth.....

This is a prime fucking example of all the negative bull shit you whiners throw out for the sake of starting an argument. Who fucking cares who was responsible for drafting Javier Baez? What does that have to do with his ceiling? What does that have to do with his bat speed? Or the fact that virtually any talking head is absurdly high on him, therefore fans are getting more and more excited about the prospect of him donning a Cubs uniform. Please explain to me what's so wrong about that? Why does that make somebody a 'homer'? That's fucking ignorant.

For the hell of it, let's just go ahead and say it was Lou Pinella's fault the Cubs didn't make the playoffs last year. And it was Ferguson Jenkins' fault that every stating pitcher not named Travis Wood underachieved last year. And if Mark Grace was our first baseman, then Harry Carey would've been resurrected from the dead and it would've made the WGN broadcasts more pleasant to watch.

All this conjecture is so ridiculous.

This is a prime example of butthurt.

 

[dabynsky]

This is a prime example of butthurt.

[video=youtube;P8urQgD_TDk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8urQgD_TDk[/video]

 

[nwfisch]

[video=youtube;P8urQgD_TDk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8urQgD_TDk[/video]

On a side note, it sucks the Simpsons are only on at 1:30 in the morning anymore.

 

[JosMin]

Nope.

I guess you can't actually talk accurately about comments that were made.

So then what, praytell, is this?

Just remember one thing. Only cubs prospects pan out. And they're worth more than all the gold and platinum in the world.

Anything else is just unrealistic.

:fap:

Looks like a riveting display of sarcasm, inferring that everyone on the board is convinced that any person drafted since 2011 is destined for Cooperstown. Or did I magically impose your name on a post that somebody else made?

 

[patg006]

So first one must hold validity, then hit a homer.

So sorry for a typo.

But way to completely miss the point with a determined effort to talk baseball that everyone wants to focus on but little actually do.

 

[patg006]

Looks like a riveting display of sarcasm, inferring that everyone on the board is convinced that any person drafted since 2011 is destined for Cooperstown. Or did I magically impose your name on a post that somebody else made?

Sarcasm is one thing.

Complete fiction is a completely different thing.

Anytime you guys who whine about not enough actual baseball talk wish to get back to it, that'd be great.

 

[JosMin]

Sarcasm is one thing.

Complete fiction is a completely different thing.

Anytime you guys who whine about not enough actual baseball talk wish to get back to it, that'd be great.

Lemme' know if you want me to FedEx my glasses. Apparently, you can't read. I could also send over a Lasik coupon.

Nobody cares if somebody is critical of a prospect or analyzes things they need to work on, but the problem with everyone who's "negative" is that they're completely unrealistic and just rides the side of the fence saying, "None of these guys are going to work out. Theo sucks. Blah blah." It's fucking old. It's a tired schtick. I mean, if it were even the least bit funny, I wouldn't tire of it.

I understand that many, if not all of these prospects, won't turn into future Hall of Famers. Shit, they might not make an All-Star game. But the negative nancys need to have a more comprehensive understanding of some of these guys and their development. Almora, Bryant and Baez all have fairly high floors and project to be, at worst, average major leaguers with multiple above-average skills. And just because I know somebody is going to be a smart ass -- yes, I'm aware they might not be. They could all suffer a catastrophic injury and never play again. I keep saying it -- baseball is a game of averages. You can air on the side of caution, I'll continue to be optimistic.

I've said it dozens of times on here and unfortunately it falls on deaf ears -- I've very, very high on Baez, Almora and Bryant. I think all three of them will make at least one All-Star game in their careers, with Almora projecting to be a very solid, Bernie Williams-type guy with better defense for a long time. Bryant and Baez have superstar make-ups at premium positions (Once again, I'm not saying it's a guarantee, but both guys have elite skills. Generally speaking, those guys "make it," even if they don't turn into Hall of Famers, JD Drew comes to mind).

I think a guy like Alcantara is well-rounded enough to make an impact at a middle infield position. Vogelbach could turn into a Billy Butler-type player with no defensive position but an above-average stick and ample power. The Cubs are ripe with projectable position players, and for people who just want to be negative for the sake of being negative, it's just irritating. Do some research.

At the same time, I'm not nearly as high on Jorge Soler. There's something that scares me about the injury he suffered last year and I think he's a bit behind his projection curve offensively. He doesn't show proper discipline on breaking stuff and he tries to pull anything that isn't a fastball. There's also rumblings that his attitude sucks. He appears to be the kind of player that tries to get away with being a supreme athlete. Those guys generally either figure it out and become productive or flounder around from job to job. Out of everyone, he's the biggest risk -- and he's making the most money. It's a scary proposition.

The lack of top-tier pitching prospects across the board is a concern. CJ Edwards and Corey Black both have plus offerings, but ultimate project as relievers due to their gaunt frames. Pierce Johnson and Kyle Hendricks have both improved drastically but project to be #3's if they fully develop. Ramirez, Underwood, and Zastryzny all lack a reliable third pitch. Ramirez has injury concerns and Underwood and Zastryzny both have lower ceilings. It scares me that the Cubs may end up having to dump premium dollars in free agency to sure up their rotation, especially when it comes to frontline guys.

But yeah, I'm totally drinking the Vizcaino Kool-Aid. The guy throws absolute gas and has two plus pitches. He'll probably never be a starter, but he certainly has the stuff of a lock-down closer. And you know what? I'm totally fine with that. If he's able to slide into the bullpen alongside Strop and Veras, our bullpen could end up being one of the better groups in baseball.

Look, I can be critical! Woahhh!!!!

 

[patg006]

Lemme' know if you want me to FedEx my glasses. Apparently, you can't read. I could also send over a Lasik coupon.

Really don't need them.

I didn't seem to have any problems reading your whining about statements that had never, ever been made.

Another internet tough guy.

Congrats on one baseball post followed by 20 posts about made up fantasy comments and personal attacks.

Quality work.

 

[beckdawg]

The irony here is too great....

 

[theberserkfury]

The irony here is too great....

It's getting comical...

 

[chibears55]

Mike olt connected for his first ST homer todsy

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[CSF77]

MESA, Ariz. -- Last spring, Mike Olt struggled to bat .194. On Tuesday, he collected his first Cactus League home run in just his third at-bat and it wasn't a relief as much as affirmation that everything is going well.

Olt, hoping to find a spot on the Cubs' Opening Day roster, belted a two-run, pinch-hit homer in the eighth inning of a 6-4 victory over the Athletics.

"I've been feeling good at the plate the last couple days and as long as I'm feeling comfortable, I think good things will come," Olt said.

The infielder was dealing with vision problems last year, although it took him awhile to figure that out.

"I usually start off a little slow," Olt said. "[Last year] I didn't start putting it together [that there was a problem] until I was probably 0-for-40 with 25, 30 [strikeouts], and that's when I started to put it together a little. I did notice a difference in Spring Training. When the season started and I got the adrenaline going, that's when I noticed [something was wrong]."

He went 6-for-31 in 19 spring games last year with the Rangers, including two home runs, and actually fanned only 12 times. It just felt like 30 K's. He was assigned to Triple-A Round Rock, where he continued to struggle, batting .213. Texas included Olt as one of the four players in the deal to get Matt Garza from the Cubs.

Tuesday's home run was another step in Olt's comeback.

"It's really not me getting hits," he said. "It's about me seeing the ball well and that's my main goal in Spring Training. Obviously, you want hits and you want to perform, but the main goal in Spring Training is to get comfortable and it's definitely a noticeable difference just the way I feel right now, and that's what I'm happy about."

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/ar...tebook_id=68709374&vkey=notebook_chc&c_id=chc

 

[theberserkfury]

Mike olt connected for his first ST homer todsy

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Good to see that first indication that his eyes might be back...

And before anyone freaks out, no, I'm not crowning him our cornerstone 3B...

 

[dabynsky]

Good to see that first indication that his eyes might be back...

And before anyone freaks out, no, I'm not crowning him our cornerstone 3B...

I'm getting his plaque ready in Cooperstown right now.