Cub's Prospect Watch And Development Discussion Thread

[brett05]

IDK. You are talking a .330/ 20 HR type vs a .260 50 HR type if they meet their projections. Most teams would give up much to have Baez.

Baez projecting to 50 HRs? Need to find a new source if true.

 

[Parade_Rain]

If things mostly work out do they really even need his power? Bryant's probably in the 35-40 HR range. Rizzo is in the 30-35. You then have Soler, Alcantara, Castro, Russell, and Schwarber all with above average power.

Schwarber doesn't belong on that list. He isn't out of A ball yet.

 

[beckdawg]

Agreed. In fact, I had originally posted it, but removed it later. A Nelson Cruz type can supplement the power part of it, and in fact, strike out less for that matter. Baez may save on money, but what he could fetch in the pitching department could be huge too.

That is kind of why I am hoping they make a serious run at Melky Cabrera. Another one with decent power, but provides OBP, Average, and switch hitting speed at the top of the line-up.

It's always nice to have guys aboard when a home run is hit. Something the Cubs struggle to do.

I saw something some where mentioning they wanted to go after a vet bat because they don't want everyone to be super young. It could just be a role player type or maybe a Melky type but supposedly that rumor is out there.

 

[beckdawg]

Schwarber doesn't belong on that list. He isn't out of A ball yet.

Why? I said if things mostly work out. Also, he's hitting .278/.394/.452 in A+ which likely means an AFL appearance and likely a AA start next season.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Because you're suggesting a trade based upon using future production of an A baller. That's a mighty big "if"?

 

[beckdawg]

Because you're suggesting a trade based upon using future production of an A baller. That's a mighty big "if"?

In this thread I said absolutely nothing about a trade. I said if players work out you wouldn't need Baez's power. Someone else may have brought up the idea but all I was getting at was the cubs have more than enough power in their prospects/current players.

 

[Parade_Rain]

In this thread I said absolutely nothing about a trade. I said if players work out you wouldn't need Baez's power. Someone else may have brought up the idea but all I was getting at was the cubs have more than enough power in their prospects/current players.

I understand that. The question you raised isn't a question unless trading Baez is part of the discussion. It's a legit question but Schwarber doesn't belong on the list. It's like lining up many identical images, including one that is extremely close, but that is the one that doesn't belong. He's in A ball. I need to see more of Alcantara before I put him on that list TBH. I hope he figures things out and can be the leadoff.

I also don't agree with the talk of signing Cabrera. They don't need him, especially if AA can figure things out at the plate.

 

[beckdawg]

I understand that. The question you raised isn't a question unless trading Baez is part of the discussion. It's a legit question but Schwarber doesn't belong on the list. It's like lining up many identical images, including one that is extremely close, but that is the one that doesn't belong. He's in A ball. I need to see more of Alcantara before I put him on that list TBH. I hope he figures things out and can be the leadoff.

I also don't agree with the talk of signing Cabrera. They don't need him, especially if AA can figure things out at the plate.

You're drawing conclusions that weren't there. Granted based on my past comments I can see why but honestly all I was getting at in this topic was the cubs have a lot of power prospects and they will be fine with or without Baez. Believe me I'm as tired as anyone about the topic of trading Baez which is why I didn't bring it up. The only point I was getting at was power isn't something the cubs should have to worry about.

 

[Parade_Rain]

You're drawing conclusions that weren't there. Granted based on my past comments I can see why but honestly all I was getting at in this topic was the cubs have a lot of power prospects and they will be fine with or without Baez. Believe me I'm as tired as anyone about the topic of trading Baez which is why I didn't bring it up. The only point I was getting at was power isn't something the cubs should have to worry about.

Nice job ignoring my entire point which is that an A baller doesn't belong on that list.

 

[beckdawg]

Nice job ignoring my entire point which is that an A baller doesn't belong on that list.

Is he a legitimate prospect? Does he have good power? If yes on both cases he belongs on the list because the point I was making is the cubs have a lot of power prospects. I never said he was a sure thing to be starting in the next 2 years.

 

[SilenceS]

Boy, people jump on and off hype trains very quickly now a days. I think people need to go back and look at the numbers. Most of these guys will fail or not be at least major league average.

First, it was trade Castro cause we want Baez. Baez comes up and in 2 weeks rolls out 5 jacks and has struck out like everybody on the planet said would happen and now lets trade him. Russell is the future. I dont get how people dont read the numerous article where they have been told that Bryant and Baez have pretty much been off limits for the past year and a half. The luxury player is Russell. He wasnt involved in the Cubs future plans because he wasnt here. Lets see where it all shakes out. Every one of our prospects has big ??? marks. It will sort itself out. Also, this post is not directly pointed at anyone just a general comment.

 

[SilenceS]

Is he a legitimate prospect? Does he have good power? If yes on both cases he belongs on the list because the point I was making is the cubs have a lot of power prospects. I never said he was a sure thing to be starting in the next 2 years.

He is not a power prospect like Bryant, Soler, or Baez.

 

[beckdawg]

He is not a power prospect like Bryant, Soler, or Baez.

Where did I say he was? And I quote,

You then have Soler, Alcantara, Castro, Russell, and Schwarber all with above average power.

This is literally all I said.

 

[Parade_Rain]

He is not a power prospect like Bryant, Soler, or Baez.

So the question remains...when is enough power in the lineup enough? My personal opinion is that you can never have enough and the more hitters that have to be pitched carefully, the more successful the lineup will be. I wouldn't be trading anything out from Russell on up.

 

[brett05]

So the question remains...when is enough power in the lineup enough? My personal opinion is that you can never have enough and the more hitters that have to be pitched carefully, the more successful the lineup will be. I wouldn't be trading anything out from Russell on up.

Than you realize there are probably no TOR guys that will be able to be had thru trading.

 

[SilenceS]

You're drawing conclusions that weren't there. Granted based on my past comments I can see why but honestly all I was getting at in this topic was the cubs have a lot of power prospects and they will be fine with or without Baez. Believe me I'm as tired as anyone about the topic of trading Baez which is why I didn't bring it up. The only point I was getting at was power isn't something the cubs should have to worry about.

This is what you are getting at. Baez has legit 40 home run power. Bryant the same. Soler has anywhere from 25 up to whatever. Tons of raw strength. Doesnt always translate it to the bat. Then, I would put guys like Scwarber, Russell, Volgelbach that are 20 plus home run power. Look around the league. There is only 9 guys with 25 plus home run and we are going into the final month. Baez and Bryant power is extremely special compared to the league. Also, Baez is a XBH machine so it isnt just homers. I dont see how it would be not so difficult to replace Baez power if it flourished. Ill take the wait and see approach.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Than you realize there are probably no TOR guys that will be able to be had thru trading.

Why would they want a current TOR through trade when it's so close to the end of the season?

 

[SilenceS]

Than you realize there are probably no TOR guys that will be able to be had thru trading.

Eh, depends on next year. We got a couple of guys who could start shooting up the chart in Torreyes and Jiminez. You also have Pierce Johnson getting close to major league ready with CJ Edwards looking good in his last outing since coming back. Also, Almora still holds great value. He is already a plus CF that makes solid contact. He just needs to learn to walk. Could be his downfall, but his D is pretty great for a 20 year old.

 

[beckdawg]

So the question remains...when is enough power in the lineup enough? My personal opinion is that you can never have enough and the more hitters that have to be pitched carefully, the more successful the lineup will be. I wouldn't be trading anything out from Russell on up.

I like this debate a lot more. That being said, I think I've mentioned before I think you can have "too much." My personal belief is you need a good mix of speed/defense and power(as most power hitters tend to be poor defensively). Part of the problem as I see it is that with too much power you end up with people swinging for the fences and if the homer doesn't come you lose.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the other side isn't a legit opinion. The idea during the steroid era was walks and homers. However, we're now in a game more similar to 80's baseball and during that time frame small ball was king. My theory is teams that can manufacture runs with speed will be king again. I could be wrong but it sure seems like teams are having a lot of trouble scoring runs anymore.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I get that but what separates this era from the 80's is the pitching.