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Is Masterson someone else who isn't considered to have reached his peak/potential?

He's been up and down past several years. He's had 3.45 ERA, 4.93, 3.21, 4.70 the past 4 years. It's probably fair to compare him to shark though I think Shark has better stuff. He only hits 90ish on the fastball on average where as sharks more in that 95 range. Masterson does have a good sinker and slider though.
 

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I've said this before but it would be rather interesting if they dealt Shark and then used some of the players they got back to land someone like Masterson who from what I've seen wants less than Shark does to re-sign long term. If the two players end up a wash prospect wise but they can nail down a deal with Masterson at the price they want it sort of solves the problem. Interesting side note as well, the Theo regime in boston drafted Masterson. He was part of a trade to get Victor Martinez. I'm not saying that means anything in of itself but clearly Masterson is a type of pitcher this front office likes.

sounds complicated. Clev just has to offer him a q-offer and Theo will run for the hills from him. That is what Theo does.

What I see happening is Theo sniffs out SP that he can flip while letting Hendricks get a shot at making it next year. He will sell off Shark and Hammels and we can hope he gets something as a future piece. I doubt anything will project as good as he is now though.

That is why I would rather just have them extend Shark. Grass is not greener on the other side here.
 

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After missing the last two seasons due to two arm surgeries, right-hander Arodys Vizcaino has started the season strong. Now a reliever, the Cubs' No. 8 prospect earned his first career save Monday as Class A Advanced Daytona defeated Clearwater 6-5 in 11 innings.

Vizcaino pitched a perfect inning against the Phillies affiliate, inducing three ground-ball outs.

Vizcaino began his career as a starter in the Yankees organization. He was traded to the Braves in 2009 as part of a deal for Javier Vazquez. He reached the Major Leagues in 2011 with Atlanta, appearing in 17 games as a reliever. He underwent Tommy John surgery in early 2012 and, while he was recovering, was dealt to the Cubs in the Paul Maholm deal at the Trade Deadline later that year.

Though Vizcaino is healthy now and once again throwing his upper-90s fastball and power curveball, the Cubs are still taking things slow with him. He has yet to pitch on fewer than two days rest and hasn't been used for more than one inning at a time.

But the results have been good so far. In six relief appearances for Daytona, Vizcaino has a 1.50 ERA and has struck out six batters.

Teddy Cahill is a reporter for MLB.com. Follow him on Twitter at @tedcahill. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
 

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Bryant and Baez had good days today.

Bryant 3 for 5 with a double

Baez 2 for 5 with a triple and 2 K's

Bryant is destroying AA. Over .300 BA, .440 OBP, and over 1.000 OPS.

Bryant may hit the majors before Baez at this rate especially with Baez missing some time due to injury.
 

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Bryant may hit the majors before Baez at this rate especially with Baez missing some time due to injury.

Highly doubtful. Evan longoria didn't come up that fast and they are comparable players and paths


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Highly doubtful. Evan longoria didn't come up that fast and they are comparable players and paths


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Well presumably he's going to get called up to AAA soon. If he continues to hit you might see him when rosters expand. Baez hasn't exactly lit up AAA to the same level as you would expect. If he has another minor injury it could set him back some. The difference between the two is that Bryant is showing the ability to walk(14.7% this year). Baez is around 5% and striking out close to 40% of the time. I know you aren't as concerned about this as we've had this line of conversation before. But, I think the front office will be concerned about it. I honestly think they will hold Baez back until he gets that down closer to 25% tops.
 

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I was lead to believe Corey Black was shit. Are you suggesting this isn't true?

I suppose it's possible... but I'd still totally rather have Soriano this year so that we could be pushing for 90+ wins and a serious shot at winning a title. And that's not counting the massive positive impact he'd have on the team for the next decade or so just by having his presence in the clubhouse this year...

Basically, Soriano is the best guy ever and Epstein is a hack.
 

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Well presumably he's going to get called up to AAA soon. If he continues to hit you might see him when rosters expand. Baez hasn't exactly lit up AAA to the same level as you would expect. If he has another minor injury it could set him back some. The difference between the two is that Bryant is showing the ability to walk(14.7% this year). Baez is around 5% and striking out close to 40% of the time. I know you aren't as concerned about this as we've had this line of conversation before. But, I think the front office will be concerned about it. I honestly think they will hold Baez back until he gets that down closer to 25% tops.

I expected this from Baez. Most scouts thought it as we'll. parks has said numerous times that he expects him to struggle the first month and then dominate. His track record has shown the same track throughout the minors. When Baez heats up. He goes bananas. Bryant I expected to be advanced for aa


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I suppose it's possible... but I'd still totally rather have Soriano this year so that we could be pushing for 90+ wins and a serious shot at winning a title. And that's not counting the massive positive impact he'd have on the team for the next decade or so just by having his presence in the clubhouse this year...

Basically, Soriano is the best guy ever and Epstein is a hack.

Until Corey Black reaches the majors and is doing that, the point is moot. And until Junior Lake can out hit Soriano which he isn't, again, the point is moot.

Not sure why people find a .240 avg. and .270 OBP better than a .270 avg and ..315 OBP?

Generally, the rule of thumb is that the more productive players you have on the field versus less productive ones, the odds of a team succeeding are greatly enhanced.

Not sure why it is the other way around here? :thinking:
 

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Until Corey Black reaches the majors and is doing that, the point is moot. And until Junior Lake can out hit Soriano which he isn't, again, the point is moot.

Not sure why people find a .240 avg. and .270 OBP better than a .270 avg and ..315 OBP?

Generally, the rule of thumb is that the more productive players you have on the field versus less productive ones, the odds of a team succeeding are greatly enhanced.

Not sure why it is the other way around here? :thinking:

I feel like this has been argued ad nauseum... but if Soriano helps us be a 70 win team instead of a 65 win team, how is that substantially better than finding out if Lake or Black are legitimate pieces? Blah blah lottery tickets, but unless there was a dramatic shift in how this team is spending money, Soriano makes an inconsequential improvement in a lost season...

The Soriano trade is just symptomatic of the larger issue that they're not trying to win now... I can get behind complaining about that... but arguing about Soriano's merits to this team as presently constructed? Seems pretty pointless to me.
 

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It doesnt. I am glad Soriano is with a team that competes. He wouldnt have made a ton of difference on the Cubs and at least he gets a shot at the playoffs again.
 

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I feel like this has been argued ad nauseum... but if Soriano helps us be a 70 win team instead of a 65 win team, how is that substantially better than finding out if Lake or Black are legitimate pieces? Blah blah lottery tickets, but unless there was a dramatic shift in how this team is spending money, Soriano makes an inconsequential improvement in a lost season...

The Soriano trade is just symptomatic of the larger issue that they're not trying to win now... I can get behind complaining about that... but arguing about Soriano's merits to this team as presently constructed? Seems pretty pointless to me.

The arguement is adding 1 player could add 2-4 wins that year. Then add another player may add 2-3. Next year add 1 that adds 2-3.

after 3 year you have added 6-10 wins by adding 3 players.

VS saving money and adding 0 wins per year but losing at the box which kills the cost savings program. so you end up with 0 wins and 0 profit gains.
 

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Now outside of the talent pool the main problem this year has been the platoons. Sure we can argue about the pen but the main issue is a lack of constant run production.

With what they have I'm seeing this:

CF Bonifacio
LF Lake
1B Rizzo
3B Olt
RF Schierholtz
SS Castro
2B Valbuena/Barney
C Castillo

They should stick with this pretty much every day. Kalish and Sweeney are a net loss. The fact they are putting Valbuena at 2B and giving Olt more AB's is amazing. Never would have though the brain crust would have figured out that he needs regular play to adjust to the league.
 

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I can't believe it's taken them this long into the season to figure it out.
 

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Until Corey Black reaches the majors and is doing that, the point is moot. And until Junior Lake can out hit Soriano which he isn't, again, the point is moot.

Not sure why people find a .240 avg. and .270 OBP better than a .270 avg and ..315 OBP?

Generally, the rule of thumb is that the more productive players you have on the field versus less productive ones, the odds of a team succeeding are greatly enhanced.

Not sure why it is the other way around here? :thinking:

You didn't know that productive minor league players are an improvement over productive major league players?

Sheesh. Everyone knows that.
 
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