Cub's Prospect Watch And Development Discussion Thread

[CSF77]

I think Hendricks will be one of those guys who seemingly have no reason being as good as he may be. He's got such good control that I feel he'll stay in games by throwing strikes without over powering stuff. I also don't get why Wada hasn't gotten a shot. It's not like Villenueva has played well and Wada is like 31 IIRC. If they're going to try and showcase anyone for potential trades seems like he should be seeing MLB starts.

Vill is holding Arrieta's roster spot. The reasoning is he would take a 40 man spot. Rusin would be the logical choice but if they remove Rusin from the 40 man than he goes through wavers and they could loose 2/5ths of the Iowa Rotation in 1 transaction.

I believe they view it as Rusin won out of S/T as the extra man. Wada did not. Wada has looks impressive now but it would cause issues with the Iowa rotation by bumping him up. Rusin has looked worse than his normal on one off 1.

 

[dabynsky]

I remember when the Cubs had their worst two season stretch under Theo Baseball in 2012 and 2013.

Good times, good times.

And yet neither of those seasons resulted in them having the worst record in baseball.

 

[chibears55]

And yet neither of those seasons resulted in them having the worst record in baseball.

Guess some forget how the Blackhawk went through a 4 year stretch of being bottom feeders before they put things together with good home grown talent....

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[dabynsky]

Personally I hate cross sports references. Baseball is so different from the other major sports that it is most meaningless. It is the only sport without real spending limits. It has the steepest learning curve for amateurs. It has the longest season and probably the most ability for variance on day to day results for teams. Baseball is just different from the others and honestly the situation the Cubs are in now is different than what other teams have gone through in the past. The ability to spend freely on amateurs has only been limited for two seasons now and that dramatically changes the formula for the successful franchises regardless of what others tell you.

 

[Boobaby1]

Remember when the Cubs clearly passed on the better player in the 2012 amateur draft. That clearly better player is in XST after putting up a sizzling 6.23 ERA in high A ball. I mean it is just terrible that the Cubs drafted two players younger than him and are performing at equal or higher levels of the minor leagues right now.

LOL. I remember a Cuban who has a 4.66 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP in Kane County as a reliever. I also remember a guy that the Cubs paid 30 million dollars for three years ago and is going to Arizona because he is still injured? I mean Cespedes, Puig, and now Abreu. Only the Cubs could take the one who has his own handicap spot in the parking lot while the others are playing in the major leagues.

 

[dabynsky]

LOL. I remember a Cuban who has a 4.66 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP in Kane County as a reliever. I also remember a guy that the Cubs paid 30 million dollars for three years ago and is going to Arizona because he is still injured? I mean Cespedes, Puig, and now Abreu. Only the Cubs could take the one who has his own handicap spot in the parking lot while the others are playing in the major leagues.

And the point is what? That amateurs are a crapshoot? Hmm, seems to be that is what the people who want to stockpile as many of those as possible agree with that position.

 

[Boobaby1]

And the point is what? That amateurs are a crapshoot? Hmm, seems to be that is what the people who want to stockpile as many of those as possible agree with that position.

No! My point is you slammed on somebody didn't you? I believe you are talking about Appel. You act as if the Cubs top prospects art raking in the major leagues now.

The Cubs brass isn't re-inventing the wheel. Every team in baseball stockpiles draft choices and IFA's. Some teams obviously do it better than others.

 

[dabynsky]

No! My point is you slammed on somebody didn't you? I believe you are talking about Appel. You act as if the Cubs top prospects art raking in the major leagues now.

You're acting as if the Cubs brass is re-inventing the wheel. Every team in baseball stockpiles draft choices and IFA's. Some teams obviously do it better than others.

I act as though people who proclaimed that the Cubs were stupid to pass on clearly the best player in the draft need to realize that limiting your opportunities to acquire talent in pre-prime years has a consequence. And that perhaps the front office does have a clue which seems to be questioned by many around here.

 

[Boobaby1]

I act as though people who proclaimed that the Cubs were stupid to pass on clearly the best player in the draft need to realize that limiting your opportunities to acquire talent in pre-prime years has a consequence. And that perhaps the front office does have a clue which seems to be questioned by many around here.

They will be constantly questioned until they have no sell-offs, and are bucking for a divisional crown. Right now, they are losing big time. If you think it is just a few around here, go look in the Wrigley Field stands.

The drunk ones who couldn't give two-shits are in the stands. The sober ones who know better, are spending their hard earned money elsewhere.

 

[dabynsky]

They will be constantly questioned until they have no sell-offs, and are bucking for a divisional crown. Right now, they are losing big time. If you think it is just a few around here, go look in the Wrigley Field stands.

The drunk ones who couldn't give two-shits are in the stands. The sober ones who know better, are spending their hard earned money elsewhere.

Questioning is fine, but own up to when you are wrong. I've been wrong on plenty of things and have admitted to it when the situation bears that out. Appel isn't done by any stretch but the way he was touted here by some (that he was worth wasting an entire draft over in 2012 for example) was wrong.

 

[nwfisch]

Guess some forget how the Blackhawk went through a 4 year stretch of being bottom feeders before they put things together with good home grown talent....

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Coincidentally, the Blackhawks kept, extended and continued drafting good players and letting them play. They also signed free agents from all over.

Not stockpiling prospects and signing middling FAs and hoping they'd come up and save the day.

Which is the exact opposite of what the Cubs are doing.

 

[dabynsky]

Coincidentally, the Blackhawks kept, extended and continued drafting good players and letting them play. They also signed free agents from all over.

Not stockpiling prospects and signing middling FAs and hoping they'd come up and save the day.

Which is the exact opposite of what the Cubs are doing.

And the quality of free agents is considerable higher in the NHL due to the salary cap which prevents teams from extending all of their own players like you can in baseball.

 

[nwfisch]

I guess the core is in place with Castro Rizzo, and one or more of Bryant, Soler, Almora, Alacantra etc.

I don't think that's good enough to win a World Series.

 

[chibears55]

Coincidentally, the Blackhawks kept, extended and continued drafting good players and letting them play. They also signed free agents from all over.

Not stockpiling prospects and signing middling FAs and hoping they'd come up and save the day.

Which is the exact opposite of what the Cubs are doing.

Ok, they are in year 3 of drafting good players and we will begin seeing them come up and play.
like toews, kane, Hayes, etc did after those bad 4 yrs...
The FA will come after they see where their needed like Hossa, EtC.

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[nwfisch]

Rocky also named John McDonough, formerly the president of the Chicago Cubs, as the franchise's new president.[SUP][14][/SUP] Since taking over the position, McDonough has been an instrumental figure in the Blackhawks current marketing success, including establishing links between the Blackhawks and the White Sox fan base in a number of ways.[SUP][15][/SUP] In April 2008 the Blackhawks announced a partnership with the Chicago White Sox. In this partnership the Blackhawks have a Zamboni race featuring Kane, Toews, and Keith on the jumbotron at every White Sox Home Game. Wirtz was also able to bring back former Blackhawks greats Tony Esposito, Stan Mikita and Bobby Hull, as the franchise's "hockey ambassadors."[SUP][16][/SUP] In addition to the changes in the team's policies and front office, the younger Wirtz also made a concerted effort to rebuild the team. According to a team source, He believed in "spending money to make money.

:rofl:

 

[chibears55]

Personally I hate cross sports references. Baseball is so different from the other major sports that it is most meaningless. It is the only sport without real spending limits. It has the steepest learning curve for amateurs. It has the longest season and probably the most ability for variance on day to day results for teams. Baseball is just different from the others and honestly the situation the Cubs are in now is different than what other teams have gone through in the past. The ability to spend freely on amateurs has only been limited for two seasons now and that dramatically changes the formula for the successful franchises regardless of what others tell you.

Point was, sometimes you need to hit rock bottom before you rise to the top...
Plenty of fans turned their backs in the hawks back then and im sure now their puffing their chest and claiming how they stood by them thru those years.

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[nwfisch]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/2701...hs-in-on-cubs-revenue-issue.html#.U1wRwlfN6So

Compared to...

And more than one source with knowledge of the Cubs’ side of the rooftop battle calls it a “red herring.”

Point was, sometimes you need to hit rock bottom before you rise to the top...
Plenty of fans turned their backs in the hawks back then and im sure now their puffing their chest and claiming how they stood by them thru those years.

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But to be fair, fans were left in the dark for years. They weren't on TV and had "Dollar Bill" Wirtz running the team.

 

[chibears55]

I guess the core is in place with Castro Rizzo, and one or more of Bryant, Soler, Almora, Alacantra etc.

I don't think that's good enough to win a World Series.

No its not, but once their in place then you go and add the key FAs and make trades that helps make them good enough to contend for a WS every year with a solid young core and not just have a good 1 or 2 yr run at it. 84. 89. 93 98 03 08 09.

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[theberserkfury]

Alcantara went 5-7 today with 3 RBIs and a triple.

 

[Boobaby1]

Questioning is fine, but own up to when you are wrong. I've been wrong on plenty of things and have admitted to it when the situation bears that out. Appel isn't done by any stretch but the way he was touted here by some (that he was worth wasting an entire draft over in 2012 for example) was wrong.

Did I say it, or do you want me to apologize for KB and others? I never wanted Appel to begin with, and last year, I said I wanted Gray if given the choice of the two pitchers.

Jonathan Gray isn't pitching lights out at AA either. I hope the Cubs did take the right one last year, but their is a lot of time still to determine that.