Cub's Prospect Watch And Development Discussion Thread

[Boobaby1]

You've made up your mind that they'l never be good with the guys they are acquiring, and there is no convincing you otherwise.

I can't guarantee they will win championships. But I can say they haven't won doing it the way they used to: Constantly overpaying for a FA on the downside to fill hoels because they drafted poorly.

The Cubs haven't won anything doing it either way. If you don't think the 2003 Cubs team was prefaced with a good farm like they are trying to do now, you are sadly mistaken. It has been done many times before like it is being done now. They aren't re-inventing the wheel.

The Cubs have sucked forever, so they have gotten top picks forever. Baez or Bryants name is not any bigger than Mark Priors was, and the Cubs had other can't miss prospects too that were just as hyped.

Having Prior, Wood, Zambrano, Patterson, Choi to get Lee, and Bobby Hill to acquire Ramirez is just the tip of the iceberg, and the result of having piss poor teams many years before that. That ERA is pretty much the way it is being run now. They had talent in the minors that translated into the majors, then the Cubs wrapped money around those guys via free agency. It is the same theory people are saying Theo is going to do, and he is the first person to do it which is complete bullshit.

I'd rather bottom out and get top talent than be a middle of the road noncontender for years.

Winning 75 instead of 69 does nothing for me. I only care that they become contenders. Nothing else will matter.

Not me. Winning 75 means you are that much closer to competing and getting a playoff spot. The Cardinals won a WS with 83 wins. It could be an acquisition or two that gets you over the hump, or a free agent and a minor leaguer that gets you there.

There is a reason the Pirates, Royals, and Rays to name a few went many, many years before their first, or in between playoff appearances.

Every mediocre team in the NBA is trying to do it the same way. Atlanta knew making the playoffs as an 8 seed was worse than missing them. Certainly the rebuilding in the NBA is different, but the idea is the same. You need TOP talent.

Ask the Indianapolis Colts if they wish they won 3 more games three years ago.[/QUOTE

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Can we ask the Cardinal, Braves, and Red Sox if they can stay competitive, still draft well, and have real good farm systems with top talent despite not having to tank seasons to get it? :thinking:

 

[nwfisch]

And BTW, no pro sports team values their minor league affiliates over the major league team. We don't get big prospects to see the Daytona Cubs win the FSL championship... we do it for their future impact on us at the major league level.

Wrong. All you have to do is take a look here and see the fans buy in with ownership.


Lot cheaper to sell the illusion of building a farm than it is to try at the MLB level.

 

[chibears55]

If you don't think the 2003 Cubs team was prefaced with a good farm like they are trying to do now, you are sadly mistaken. It has been done many times before like it is being done now. They aren't re-inventing the wheel.

cubs haven't done it many times before.. dallas green had some good drafts that helped in the late 80's.
thing is Boo, since those good young prospects that blossomed onto the 2003 team, there really hasn't been any solid prospects in the cubs system til now ..
excluding samardzija, castro, and Castillo who been there for a couple years.

The Cubs have sucked forever, so they have gotten top picks forever. Baez or Bryants name is not any bigger than Mark Priors was, and the Cubs had other can't miss prospects too that were just as hyped.

cubs haven't sucked forever and gotten top picks forever... up until the last couple yrs, they've been mediocre to good since 2003 drafting middle of the pack..
you yourself are ranging from mark prior to baez/Bryant, that's quite a few years and a lot of players drafted between having solid prospects..
that's a big reason why their system was garbage, look who were their top players a couple seasons ago, brett Jackson and josh vitters... that should show you where the system was.

Having Prior, Wood, Zambrano, Patterson, Choi to get Lee, and Bobby Hill to acquire Ramirez is just the tip of the iceberg, and the result of having piss poor teams many years before that. That ERA is pretty much the way it is being run now. They had talent in the minors that translated into the majors, then the Cubs wrapped money around those guys via free agency. It is the same theory people are saying Theo is going to do, and he is the first person to do it which is complete bullshit.

not sure ive seen anyone on here saying Epstein is the first to do this.... I have seen on here and heard from baseball people on TV and radio talking about how gutsy it is to do what he doing because its not done very often.

for what I put in bold above... your saying it yourself what most have been saying on here... as they are being run now like in pre 2003, when they get the young core up on this team and their ready to compete, they will start spending the money on the needed FAs to fill in and help them compete as they did going into the 2003 season.

Not me. Winning 75 means you are that much closer to competing and getting a playoff spot. The Cardinals won a WS with 83 wins. It could be an acquisition or two that gets you over the hump, or a free agent and a minor leaguer that gets you there.

I agree with you here.. if your increasing wins each year, it means your team is improving..

Can we ask the Cardinal, Braves, and Red Sox if they can stay competitive, still draft well, and have real good farm systems with top talent despite not having to tank seasons to get it?

if memory serves me correctly, I seem to recall the cardinals, braves, and red sox go through a stretch of losing badly before they turned it around by drafting well, making good trades, and signing the right FAs.. obviously the cubs didn't follow their blueprint the last 20 years, hopefully with what they've done in the system so far is the start of that route.

 

[chibears55]

Wrong. All you have to do is take a look here and see the fans buy in with ownership.


Lot cheaper to sell the illusion of building a farm than it is to try at the MLB level.

yes im sure there a couple of knuckleheads that are going to the extreme of theo love as pat and a couple of his buddies went the other way with it...

but im sure you can agree that the majority of us realize the team sucks and the only thing we have to look forward to this summer is watching the kids and hoping they excel quickly onto the major league level because unless rickets decide to spend this off season and next, that's all we have going for us now as cubs fans.

 

[TL1961]

You've made up your mind that they'l never be good with the guys they are acquiring, and there is no convincing you otherwise.



The Cubs haven't won anything doing it either way. If you don't think the 2003 Cubs team was prefaced with a good farm like they are trying to do now, you are sadly mistaken. It has been done many times before like it is being done now. They aren't re-inventing the wheel.

The Cubs have sucked forever, so they have gotten top picks forever. Baez or Bryants name is not any bigger than Mark Priors was, and the Cubs had other can't miss prospects too that were just as hyped.

Having Prior, Wood, Zambrano, Patterson, Choi to get Lee, and Bobby Hill to acquire Ramirez is just the tip of the iceberg, and the result of having piss poor teams many years before that. That ERA is pretty much the way it is being run now. They had talent in the minors that translated into the majors, then the Cubs wrapped money around those guys via free agency. It is the same theory people are saying Theo is going to do, and he is the first person to do it which is complete bullshit.




Not me. Winning 75 means you are that much closer to competing and getting a playoff spot. The Cardinals won a WS with 83 wins. It could be an acquisition or two that gets you over the hump, or a free agent and a minor leaguer that gets you there.

There is a reason the Pirates, Royals, and Rays to name a few went many, many years before their first, or in between playoff appearances.


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Can we ask the Cardinal, Braves, and Red Sox if they can stay competitive, still draft well, and have real good farm systems with top talent despite not having to tank seasons to get it? :thinking:

Yes, they did it this way before. And were within 5 outs of the world series. Didn't quite get there, but certainly adds credence to the notion that this IS the way to do it.

Your example makes my point.

BTW, The Cardinals have certainly drafted well the past few years. But they were competitive for 10 years because they struck gold on a 35th round pick.

 

[brett05]

Didn't the sox win a world series with Jerry who's long been criticized for being a cheap owner?

Have u seen Sox Attendance?!?! He makes Magic look cheap

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[nwfisch]

yes im sure there a couple of knuckleheads that are going to the extreme of theo love as pat and a couple of his buddies went the other way with it...

but im sure you can agree that the majority of us realize the team sucks and the only thing we have to look forward to this summer is watching the kids and hoping they excel quickly onto the major league level because unless rickets decide to spend this off season and next, that's all we have going for us now as cubs fans.

True. I just have to say that if we as fans are relying SOLELY on prospects for the Cubs future success, I think we'll be in for extreme disappointment.

That said, some guys are looking a lot better this year.

 

[chibears55]

True. I just have to say that if we as fans are relying SOLELY on prospects for the Cubs future success, I think we'll be in for extreme disappointment.

That said, some guys are looking a lot better this year.

I agree with you as im sure others do..
I think certain former posters took it out of context as what most were saying.
Its obvious this management is building up the system to be able to maintain a stream of good young talent to be used if not for the parent club then to be used as trade to bring in talent for the parent club..
They haven't had up n down depth in the system for a long while and they are starting to get that..
Were all in agreement that once this first wave of prospect make it up and establish themselves (baez, bryant,Alcantara, etcc. ) then we need to start seeing whatever FA needed to be signed..

One last thing I want to add about FAs..
I have heard a few " baseball people " mention that Free Agency of the past will be almost non existance with prime to near prime top talent as teams are starting to tie these players up now ..
So, with that in mind.. that should be another good reason why we should be happy that they have subjected themselves on adding multiple young talent to their system sooner rather then later.,

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[Boobaby1]

Yes, they did it this way before. And were within 5 outs of the world series. Didn't quite get there, but certainly adds credence to the notion that this IS the way to do it.

Your example makes my point.

BTW, The Cardinals have certainly drafted well the past few years. But they were competitive for 10 years because they struck gold on a 35th round pick.

He was definitely the headliner. Molina wasn't a bad one either. DeWitt also spent a lot of money to pay players around him like Walker, Sanders, Rolen, and Edmonds to stay competitive, long before they started (excluding Wainright) drafting the pitching that they have today.

 

[SilenceS]

Eh, it's hard to compare the cardinals to anyone. They are a model organization that I am pretty sure sold their soil to the devil. It seems they just shit out prospecta


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[brett05]

The cardinals are the evil empire!

Go Cubs!!!

 

[nwfisch]

The cardinals are the evil empire!

Go Cubs!!!

:rofl: Nice teams.

 

[brett05]

:rofl: Nice teams.

Yeah, I said if the Cubs only scored a single run against the Sox last night I would be a die hard fan for a week. Oops. GO CUBS!!

 

[Parade_Rain]

Eh, it's hard to compare the cardinals to anyone. They are a model organization that I am pretty sure sold their soil to the devil. It seems they just shit out prospecta


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The Cardinals are barely a .500 team. Of course they are in the hunt and if they get hot could be a team to reckon with. I wouldn't be so confident that they will be king of the hill much longer. They had a big changing of the guard and it may take a few more years to filter.

 

[SilenceS]

The Cardinals are barely a .500 team. Of course they are in the hunt and if they get hot could be a team to reckon with. I wouldn't be so confident that they will be king of the hill much longer. They had a big changing of the guard and it may take a few more years to filter.

They will be fine. Still got one of the best farms and young players still growing on the team. They just produce.

 

[brett05]

What's up with all the Cardinal talk...Let's get to brass tax...The Cubbies!!!

They got the guys coming up. We got Rizzo, Shark, Castro, Ariel, Tinker Bell, Mother Superior!...whoops sorry there, a little too much Disney on the tv from my kids....We got Baez, Soler, Almora, Alcantra, Edwards, Black, and the greatest power bat in the history of baseball in Bryant! Add all that to the mix and this thread will no longer be titled Cubs Prospects, it'll be renamed Cubs Championship Youth.

GO Cubs!!

 

[theberserkfury]

Rusin apparently just threw a no-hitter.

 

[brett05]

Rusin apparently just threw a no-hitter.

There we go
..call him up to pitch monday/tuesday. He's a top 100 pitcher. Get him up here now!!

Go Cubbies!!! Wahoo!!!!

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[dabynsky]

I still want to see Wada up here after the first trade of pitcher. Even though he had just an eh game last time out, but we need Dr. K.

 

[JosMin]

Chris Rusin throws the first Iowa Cubs no-hitter in thirty years. Can I get a :fap: gentlemen?

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...owa-cubs-first-no-hitter-in-30-years/8812139/