Cub's Prospect Watch And Development Discussion Thread

[chibears55]

Id bring bryant up to Iowa now to see what he does....
If he and baez are killing it come Aug., id bring them both up at same time..

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[beckdawg]

I'm personally fine with where the prospects are. I'm honestly not a huge fan of working on stuff at the major league level. If it means spending an extra 2 months in the minors that they may not need so be it. My biggest worry is yo-yoing of prospects up and down because they weren't ready to handle the majors.

 

[CSF77]

I'm personally fine with where the prospects are. I'm honestly not a huge fan of working on stuff at the major league level. If it means spending an extra 2 months in the minors that they may not need so be it. My biggest worry is yo-yoing of prospects up and down because they weren't ready to handle the majors.

Talent plays a part. Jackson never put up good numbers in Iowa. Vitters not sure to be honest. No reason why he can't hit .300 in Iowa.

Guy that needed a extra year was Watkins. He dominated AA. Then hit .220 in Iowa. Now is responding well after a year to adjust.

In that case sure. But if a player is dominating a league he needs to be challenged and to adjust to better quality pitching (Bryant). He is not gaining anything by facing AA pitching right now.

 

[chibears55]

@TheCCO: Javier Baez just hit a grand slam over the wall in RCF. Baez's blast came in the bottom of the 5th, his 7th longball of the year #Cubs


Those who were concerned about baez slow start, no need to worry anymore.. 2 for 2 do far today, 10 game hit streak
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[SilenceS]

Baez now at .400/.429/.850/1.279 during the hit streak, 9 Ks, 2 BB in 42 PA

 

[brett05]

Baez now at .400/.429/.850/1.279 during the hit streak, 9 Ks, 2 BB in 42 PA

Hall of Fame...tix going fast

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[nwfisch]

Hall of Fame...tix going fast

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Get him in the shop!!!

 

[SilenceS]

Hall of Fame...tix going fast

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Dynamite drop in Monty!

 

[brett05]

Dynamite drop in Monty!

Thx x 10

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[chibears55]

Hall of Fame...tix going fast

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Awww. Jealousy. Lol

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[brett05]

Awww. Jealousy. Lol

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Yes that is it...lol

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[CSF77]

Over 100 AB's

AAA:
Baez: .211/.278/.415 7 HR 22 RBI
Alcantara: .263/.302/.491 5 HR 23 RBI
Watkins: .315/.402/.423 1 HR 14 RBI
Villanueva: .234/.291/.392 4 HR 16 RBI
Vitters: .208/.278/.375 6 HR 20 RBI


AA
Bryant: .331/.425/.624 13 HR 42 RBI


A+
Almora: .266/.287/.364 2 HR 21 RBI
Vogelbach: .255/.326/.370 4 HR 18 RBI
Candelario .196/.289/.348 4 HR 21 RBI

I wouldn't mind seeing Watkins brought up as a main UI later year. He has also played some CF and SS this year. Solid production right now.

Baez I would revisit in mid June. See if this current hot streak is just a flare up or what he is.

Villanueva sucks. He has career AAA written all over him. Promote Bryant already and make Vill a corner IF and 3B when Bryant is the DH. Silly to hold Bryant back just because Vill is holding nothing down.

Alcantara has been unimpressive this year. Almost makes me think that his production was boosted last year with Baez hitting behind him. This year up until now he has not had that lux and fell back to his career slash. Not sold on him.

A+ has been very meh in general.

 

[beckdawg]

Villanueva sucks. He has career AAA written all over him. Promote Bryant already and make Vill a corner IF and 3B when Bryant is the DH. Silly to hold Bryant back just because Vill is holding nothing down.

So... Baez hits .211/.278/.415 in his first 100 ABs in AAA and he's fine revisit in june. Villanueva hits .234/.291/.392 in his first time at AAA and he sucks? I'm not saying Villanueva is going to be a star but to totally cast him off because he struggled in his first stint in AAA is a complete overreaction. Relax for crying out loud.

 

[CSF77]

So... Baez hits .211/.278/.415 in his first 100 ABs in AAA and he's fine revisit in june. Villanueva hits .234/.291/.392 in his first time at AAA and he sucks? I'm not saying Villanueva is going to be a star but to totally cast him off because he struggled in his first stint in AAA is a complete overreaction. Relax for crying out loud.

Villanueva:
2014: .234/.291/.392 4 HR
2013: .261/.317/.469 19 HR
2012: .279/.353/.427 14 HR
2011: .278/.338/.465 17 HR
2010: .314/.365/.431 2 HR
2009: .208/.375/.250 0 HR

Bryant is at 13 before June....move on with your bad self and stop defending replacement players.

 

[Jntg4]

Over 100 AB's

AAA:
Baez: .211/.278/.415 7 HR 22 RBI
Alcantara: .263/.302/.491 5 HR 23 RBI
Watkins: .315/.402/.423 1 HR 14 RBI
Villanueva: .234/.291/.392 4 HR 16 RBI
Vitters: .208/.278/.375 6 HR 20 RBI


AA
Bryant: .331/.425/.624 13 HR 42 RBI


A+
Almora: .266/.287/.364 2 HR 21 RBI
Vogelbach: .255/.326/.370 4 HR 18 RBI
Candelario .196/.289/.348 4 HR 21 RBI

I wouldn't mind seeing Watkins brought up as a main UI later year. He has also played some CF and SS this year. Solid production right now.

Baez I would revisit in mid June. See if this current hot streak is just a flare up or what he is.

Villanueva sucks. He has career AAA written all over him. Promote Bryant already and make Vill a corner IF and 3B when Bryant is the DH. Silly to hold Bryant back just because Vill is holding nothing down.

Alcantara has been unimpressive this year. Almost makes me think that his production was boosted last year with Baez hitting behind him. This year up until now he has not had that lux and fell back to his career slash. Not sold on him.

A+ has been very meh in general.

Not sure about the Alcantara suggestion... IIRC he spent all of 2013 at AA, and he tailed off a bit in the second half. Baez wasn't promoted to AA until later in the year. Most of his good play was pre-Baez.

 

[CSF77]

Not to mention:

Carrer:
Vill 56 HR in 1786 AB
Baez: in 60 in 975

2x the rate. Like comparing a beemer to a junkyard wreck.

 

[CSF77]

Not sure about the Alcantara suggestion... IIRC he spent all of 2013 at AA, and he tailed off a bit in the second half. Baez wasn't promoted to AA until later in the year. Most of his good play was pre-Baez.

My hang up with him is his walk ratio.

1838 carrer AB 147 BB. less than 10% and not ideal #2 hitter production. Last year he has 62 in 494 AB. 12.5% That was abnormal for his career and that was the first year he had Baez hitting behind him.

 

[beckdawg]

Villanueva:
2014: .234/.291/.392 4 HR
2013: .261/.317/.469 19 HR
2012: .279/.353/.427 14 HR
2011: .278/.338/.465 17 HR
2010: .314/.365/.431 2 HR
2009: .208/.375/.250 0 HR

Bryant is at 13 before June....move on with your bad self and stop defending replacement players.

What's Bryant have to do with Villanueva? That's like saying Barry Bonds is a better outfielder than Junior Lake. If Villanueva is a .250/.320/.400 player with great defense(his calling card) he can be a starting 3B in the majors. Maybe not on the cubs because Baez and Bryant(and possibly Olt) are better prospects. But look at 3B last season in the 20 HR range.

Kyle Seager - 22 HRs .260/.338/.426
Matt Dominguez - 21 HRs .241/.286/.403
Mark Reynolds - 20 HRs .220/.306/.393
Todd Frazier - 19 HRs .234/.314/.407
Manny Machado - 14 HRs .283/.314/.432
Martin Prado - 14 HRs .282/.333/.417
Pablo Sandoval - 14 HRs .278/.341/.417
Trevor Plouffe - 14 HRs .254/.309/.392
Chase Headley - 13 HRs .250/.347/.400
Chris Johnson - 12 HRs .321/.358/.457
Mike Moustakas - 12 HRs .233/.287/.364
Nolan Arenado - 10 HRs .267/.301/.405
Alberto Callaspo - 10 HRs .258/.333/.369
David Freese - 9 HRs .262/.340/.381
Michael Young - 8 HRs .279/.335/.395

Only 6 3B had 24+ HR power. The other 15 players I listed here are between 8 and 22 HRs. And that doesn't include the 9 teams that didn't even have a 3B who had qualified plate appearances. Point here is that while Villanueva may not end up the cubs future 3B because of obviously better options, that doesn't mean he can't play at the major league level with 20 HR max power. So, to sit here and cast him off as a AAA player because of 100 poor at bats while discarding Baez who had an actual worse 100 ABs is silly.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to suggest he is an amazing player. I'm just point out the fact that you're being a bit ridiculous suggesting he's a never will be because of poor showing in his first AAA stint. It's pretty clear your issue is that Bryant isn't at AAA since you've been clamoring for that for weeks now. To be honest, I think you're wasting your time. In my opinion they probably will keep Bryant in AA until September and then call him up to face major league pitching.

 

[chibears55]

Bryant hit no, 14 today

Baez followed up his Player of the Week award by going 3-for-4 with a pair of doubles and 3 Rbis today





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[zack54attack]

Bryant is raking.