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How is Soriano comparable to Silva? One is a bad club house guy who is due only one more while the other guy is due four more years and by all accounts is a great clubhouse influence.
 

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How is Soriano comparable to Silva? One is a bad club house guy who is due only one more while the other guy is due four more years and by all accounts is a great clubhouse influence.

Oh yeah, that's right. We pay players based on how they are in the club house. Of course.
 

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Oh yeah, that's right. We pay players based on how they are in the club house. Of course.


Soriano still hits 20+ HR drives in 65+...Silva has had 2 good months in the last 4 years. He had over 6 ERA in last 10 starts last year and 10 ERA in ST...how else can we explain this to you. Silva is HORRIBLE.
 

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How doesn't he make the team better? You people here are so oblivious


This IS NOT grammar school. were not oblivious, we just have common sense and know Silva SUCKS:woot:
 

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You're the only person in the world who can't spell you're correctly.

How doesn't he make the team better? You people here are so oblivious

:obama:

I'm not even going to try to explain that to you.

Instead, I'll ask you this: Even after he bashed the entire Cubs organization, do you honestly think the Cubs should have let it slid, and then kicked Cashner or Mateo out of a job for him?

Cashner and Mateo outperformed Silva, plain and simple. Silva is a below average pitcher, enough said.
 

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Soriano still hits 20+ HR drives in 65+...Silva has had 2 good months in the last 4 years. He had over 6 ERA in last 10 starts last year and 10 ERA in ST...how else can we explain this to you. Silva is HORRIBLE.

You don't understand this do you? It's that Soriano is being paid 18 million dollars to do what Colvin can come pretty close to for about 18 million dollars less.

Silva had 2 good months in the last 4 years? Really? Because even by ERA, which is a stupid way to analyze this, he had a good april in 07, 08, and 10, a good june in 07, a good august in 07, and a good sept/oct in 07. So that is false, but here's the thing... ERA is not a way to tell you how the pitcher did. Isn't that what we want? The best pitcher. Yes, it is. You have to look at more than ERA.

Yeah, he probably had a bad end of the year because he basically had a fucking heart attack. And I don't give a shit what his ERA was in ST. I really don't. He has had by far the better career than Cashner has. Cashner hasn't proven anything.

How can I explain this to you Silva is actually DECENT
 

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I'm not even going to try to explain that to you.

Instead, I'll ask you this: Even after he bashed the entire Cubs organization, do you honestly think the Cubs should have let it slid, and then kicked Cashner or Mateo out of a job for him?

Cashner and Mateo outperformed Silva, plain and simple. Silva is a below average pitcher, enough said.

You post shit about Spring Training. That is not convincing in the least.

Yes, I do. Why? Because we're paying him 8 million dollars to sit on his ass. Cashner and Mateo would have still had a job in AAA. I don't really give a **** that Cashner and Mateo outperformed him, Silva has had a good career when he hasn't been hurt.

Explain to me how Silva is a below average pitcher. Go on.
 

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You don't understand this do you? It's that Soriano is being paid 18 million dollars to do what Colvin can come pretty close to for about 18 million dollars less.

Silva had 2 good months in the last 4 years? Really? Because even by ERA, which is a stupid way to analyze this, he had a good april in 07, 08, and 10, a good june in 07, a good august in 07, and a good sept/oct in 07. So that is false, but here's the thing... ERA is not a way to tell you how the pitcher did. Isn't that what we want? The best pitcher. Yes, it is. You have to look at more than ERA.

Yeah, he probably had a bad end of the year because he basically had a fucking heart attack. And I don't give a shit what his ERA was in ST. I really don't. He has had by far the better career than Cashner has. Cashner hasn't proven anything.

How can I explain this to you Silva is actually DECENT

Even the Cubs pretty much said he sucks.
Carlos Silva released by Cubs after refusing demotion | cubs.com: News

Fact of the matter is that he didn't deserve to be on the team, so Quade chose Cashner and Mateo over him and Hendry released him.
 

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You post shit about Spring Training. That is not convincing in the least.

Yes, I do. Why? Because we're paying him 8 million dollars to sit on his ass. Cashner and Mateo would have still had a job in AAA. I don't really give a **** that Cashner and Mateo outperformed him, Silva has had a good career when he hasn't been hurt.

Explain to me how Silva is a below average pitcher. Go on.

:obama::obama::obama:

If you need someone to explain to you why Silva is a below average pitcher, then you are simply oblivious.
 

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Even the Cubs pretty much said he sucks.
Carlos Silva released by Cubs after refusing demotion | cubs.com: News

Fact of the matter is that he didn't deserve to be on the team, so Quade chose Cashner and Mateo over him and Hendry released him.

So you are saying the Cubs are always right? Explain the Milton Bradley signing to me then. You know, it's very possible, that the Cubs are... wrong!

How didn't he deserve to be on the team? He has been worth 6.7 wins the last 4 years, one of which he was hurt. The difference between Cashner and Silva is not worth 8 million dollars. It just simply isn't.
 

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If you need someone to explain to you why Silva is a below average pitcher, then you are simply oblivious.

I see a career 4.49 FIP. Is that below average? No.

I see a career 4.68 ERA. Is that below average? Maybe slightly, but not by much.

So go on, tell me why he is a below average pitcher.
 

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So you are saying the Cubs are always right? Explain the Milton Bradley signing to me then. You know, it's very possible, that the Cubs are... wrong!

How didn't he deserve to be on the team? He has been worth 6.7 wins the last 4 years, one of which he was hurt. The difference between Cashner and Silva is not worth 8 million dollars. It just simply isn't.

He bashed the franchise, he had to go anyway. You are paying the same amount of money either way, it makes no difference.

Here's Len Kasper's take:
The Cubs cut bait today by releasing Carlos Silva and eating $11.5 million. Yes, that's a lot of money, but here's why I like it: 1) Silva didn't deserve to make the team based on performance. Andrew Cashner had a solid enough spring, and the potential is there for him to be a very solid Major League starter. The Cubs think they can win now, but I like that they are giving the young guy an opportunity. There was no sense of giving the benefit of the doubt to the high-priced veteran "just because." You gotta earn it. 2) Silva ripped the team after getting the news and said he would not consider going to AAA (among other things). At that point, if a guy doesn't want to be here, then you might as well grant his wish. I'm a big believer in winning leading to chemistry, but one thing I've learned is, unhappy campers tend to cast a shadow over the rest of the team and why let this drag out when it was obvious it couldn't work anymore based on Silva's comments? I applaud Jim Hendry for tackling an uncomfortable situation quickly and moving on without the headache of dealing with a disgruntled player in your organization. Whether or not Silva has anything left in the tank is irrelevant at this point. His stay here was irreparably damaged, in my opinion, by his incendiary comments, so why try to fix something that isn't worth fixing. Sends a good message: if you don't want to be here, then we don't want you here.

On to more positive things. Opening Day is now just 5 days away and we have our final WGN tune-up for you at 3 Central. Rockies and Cubs. Ryan Dempster pitching. Should be fun!

Len


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I see a career 4.49 FIP. Is that below average? No.

I see a career 4.68 ERA. Is that below average? Maybe slightly, but not by much.

So go on, tell me why he is a below average pitcher.

Oh sure, what happened several years ago is really relevant to how good he is now. :rolleyes:
 

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He bashed the franchise, he had to go anyway. You are paying the same amount of money either way, it makes no difference.

Here's Len Kasper's take:

He bashed the organization after they told him he wouldn't get a spot. That has nothing to do with him not getting a spot. Exactly, we are paying him 8 million dollars to either A) Do nothing or B) help this team win games. It's really not that hard to figure out which one is better.

Oh wow, a guy who is paid by the Cubs is agreeing with what they do. Where have I heard that one before?
 

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Explain to me how Silva is a below average pitcher. Go on.

1.) His career record is 70-70.
2.) His career ERA is 4.68.
3.) His three largest win total years boated accompanying ERAs of 4.19, 4.21 and 5.94 (!!!).
4.) Over his last 4 seasons, he has played with 4 different teams and has a record 28-38.
5.) He has character concerns...the dude started a fight in the dugout after the first inning of a spring training game in which he gave up 2 home runs.
 

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He bashed the organization after they told him he wouldn't get a spot. That has nothing to do with him not getting a spot. Exactly, we are paying him 8 million dollars to either A) Do nothing or B) help this team win games. It's really not that hard to figure out which one is better.

Oh wow, a guy who is paid by the Cubs is agreeing with what they do. Where have I heard that one before?

I think you mean:
A) Not be a distraction
or
B) Make the team lose games
 

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Oh sure, what happened several years ago is really relevant to how good he is now. :rolleyes:

Okay, let's look at last year then, ya know, when Silva was better than Cashner. You are basing ALL of this off of Spring Training. That is so stupid. By that logic, I guess by that logic we should cut Carlos Pena too, because Bryan LaHair had a higher OPS than him in spring training
 

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Okay, let's look at last year then, ya know, when Silva was better than Cashner. You are basing ALL of this off of Spring Training. That is so stupid. By that logic, I guess by that logic we should cut Carlos Pena too, because Bryan LaHair had a higher OPS than him in spring training

No, I'm not saying Cashner will be better for sure, but Cashner is better to have starting.

It doesn't even need to take performance into account. Silva's comments about the Cubs organization and about Riggins were unacceptable and intolerable. Congrats to the Cubs for making the bold move.
 

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