Cubs release Silva / signs minor league deal w/ Yankees

[Jntg4]

It's not just the attendance. I happen to want Fielder/Pujols next year, I'm sure most do. Spending 6 million this year on nothing and 2 million next year on nothing isn't exactly the smartest thing to do in order to get Pujols/Fielder.

I don't have a problem with them not trading him and releasing him so much as I do with them not giving him a spot.



You still haven't answered any questions. Like how Silva is bad. Come on now...



But, but, but he had 2 good months in 4 years!

How does paying him to do nothing affect Pujols/Fielder? You are spending the money on Silva either way, it had NO affect.

I'm not going to explain to you why Silva isn't a fit here, because it is painfully obvious but you won't care anyway.

 

[X]

So Poods and I get shit from Dewey when we use just FIP(a better stat than ERA), yet somehow people think that using just ERA is okay. That makes a whole fuckload of sense.

ERA doesn't take into account how the defense behind him was, does it? How is Silva supposed to play 9 positions at once?

First off, I didn't give you shit about using FIP, so don't bust my nuts about it.

Secondly, he's not suppose to play 9 positions at once...He's suppose to pitch. well. You can't assume his defense behind him has been bad, just like you don't want us to assume it's been good. Generally, I don't like using ERA has a barometer for pitcher success, but when it's consecutively in the 4.5 range, it says more about the pitcher than it does his defenses.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Dude. It's called EARNED run average for a reason. It doesn't take into account errors from the other eight guys on the field. Granted, it can be skewed, for example, if a ball is not thrown to the cut off man or thrown off line.

Saying ERA us useless is like saying WHIP is meaningless because there's different umpires calling balls and strikes and they're not going to have the same strike zone.

So if there is a line drive to the gap and we have a shitty defender that doesn't get to it quickly and the runner makes it to 3rd, that is Silva's fault?

I'm not saying ERA is useless, but it's not telling us how good or bad Silva is.

And all our pitchers have the same defenders behind them. If he can't perform with our defense, what do we do? Trade every position player on our team so he can be good, or trade him?

He can perform with this defense. Look at last year. Duh.

Fair enough. CO seems to think he's the second coming of Bob Gibson though, so bad had to come up.

Yeah, because I'm saying that :eyeroll:

But if he can't perform with our defense, what do we do? Trade every position player on our team or trade him?

Well he can perform with our defense soo.....

 

[DewsSox79]

To be fair whip is a bad stat as well. But not because of umpires but because of defense.

 

[poodski]

Cubs release Silva

But if he can't perform with our defense, what do we do? Trade every position player on our team or trade him?

Umm he performed with our defense? He had a 103 ERA+ last year. That's an above average pitcher. Even using a stat like ERA.

 

[Captain Obvious]

How does paying him to do nothing affect Pujols/Fielder? You are spending the money on Silva either way, it had NO affect.

I'm not going to explain to you why Silva isn't a fit here, because it is painfully obvious but you won't care anyway.

If we let him pitch and he is good, we have a chance to get rid of some of that money. Duh. So yeah, is has SOME affect.

You haven't said anything as to why Silva shouldn't be on the team. NOTHING! It's painfully obvious that you don't know why, you're just going with someone elses stuff.

First off, I didn't give you shit about using FIP, so don't bust my nuts about it.

Secondly, he's not suppose to play 9 positions at once...He's suppose to pitch. well. You can't assume his defense behind him has been bad, just like you don't want us to assume it's been good. Generally, I don't like using ERA has a barometer for pitcher success, but when it's consecutively in the 4.5 range, it says more about the pitcher than it does his defenses.

I know, I'm just saying that it's not good to use just ERA.

He is supposed to pitch well? You mean a below 4 FIP wasn't good enough last year?

What is so bad with a 4.5 ERA anyway? That's about average. That from a 5 starter is pretty damn good.

 

[Jntg4]

Umm he performed with our defense? He had a 103 ERA+ last year. That's an above average pitcher. Even using a stat like ERA.

He performed for less than half of a season, then he was terrible.

And I don't care how he performed last year. It was a competition for the 5th starter spot, that was to be battle for in the spring. He failed.

Then he blames the Cubs for it and insulted the franchise, Riggins, and everyone.

He refused minor league assignment.

Cashner won the job, plain and simple.

I wanted him in our bullpen, since he said he would be OK with that himself. But then he based the team, and he had to go.





Hey, if Silva is SO good, why the hell did no other team want him?

 

[Captain Obvious]

He performed for less than half of a season, then he was terrible.

And I don't care how he performed last year. It was a competition for the 5th starter spot, that was to be battle for in the spring. He failed.

Then he blames the Cubs for it and insulted the franchise, Riggins, and everyone.

He refused minor league assignment.

Cashner won the job, plain and simple.

I wanted him in our bullpen, since he said he would be OK with that himself. But then he based the team, and he had to go.





Hey, if Silva is SO good, why the hell did no other team want him?

Half a season is better than the whole NOTHING Cashner has put up.

Silva bashed the team after he didn't make the team. This is the 3rd time that I am telling you this. :facepalm:

 

[Jntg4]

If we let him pitch and he is good, we have a chance to get rid of some of that money. Duh. So yeah, is has SOME affect.

You haven't said anything as to why Silva shouldn't be on the team. NOTHING! It's painfully obvious that you don't know why, you're just going with someone elses stuff.



I know, I'm just saying that it's not good to use just ERA.

He is supposed to pitch well? You mean a below 4 FIP wasn't good enough last year?

What is so bad with a 4.5 ERA anyway? That's about average. That from a 5 starter is pretty damn good.

He was beaten out by other players, plain and simple. Quade picked the best pitchers. Silva had several chances to claim a spot, HE failed.

Can't believe you are defending some piece of crap who just bashed our entire organization anyway.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

It's not just the attendance. I happen to want Fielder/Pujols next year, I'm sure most do. Spending 6 million this year on nothing and 2 million next year on nothing isn't exactly the smartest thing to do in order to get Pujols/Fielder.

I don't have a problem with them not trading him and releasing him so much as I do with them not giving him a spot.



You still haven't answered any questions. Like how Silva is bad. Come on now...



But, but, but he had 2 good months in 4 years!

While I don't know all the details of it, it sounds as though he didn't want to go to the pen (although Mateo may have gotten that spot independent of Silva, I'm not sure), he made it clear that he didn't want to go to AAA. Which is understandable. So, we either didn't have a spot for him to take OR he chose not to take it. Either way, not much can me done about it.

:clap: well put!

WOO HOO!

So if there is a line drive to the gap and we have a shitty defender that doesn't get to it quickly and the runner makes it to 3rd, that is Silva's fault?

I'm not saying ERA is useless, but it's not telling us how good or bad Silva is.

I just said it can be skewed, I just didn't use this as my example. I didn't say it was flawless. Because there isn't going to be a perfect means of showing how good or bad a pitcher is.

Minus fantasy baseball rankings, of course!



lulz.

 

[Jntg4]

Half a season is better than the whole NOTHING Cashner has put up.

Silva bashed the team after he didn't make the team. This is the 3rd time that I am telling you this. :facepalm:

Ya, but that is why they released him.



He didn't EARN A FUCKING SPOT ON THE TEAM!!! Quade went with the best pitchers, not the pitcher who is the by-product of Milton Bradley just because he has a high price tag.

 

[DewsSox79]

LOL @ anyone making apologies for silva being released. too fucking funny!

 

[Jntg4]

While I don't know all the details of it, it sounds as though he didn't want to go to the pen (although Mateo may have gotten that spot independent of Silva, I'm not sure), he made it clear that he didn't want to go to AAA. Which is understandable. So, we either didn't have a spot for him to take OR he chose not to take it. Either way, not much can me done about it.

WOO HOO!



I just said it can be skewed, I just didn't use this as my example. I didn't say it was flawless. Because there isn't going to be a perfect means of showing how good or bad a pitcher is.

Minus fantasy baseball rankings, of course!



lulz.

He said he was fine with going to the pen BTW.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

He said he was fine with going to the pen BTW.

Ah, okay. So did he just get beat out my Mateo then? Because if not, I have no idea wtf is going on, lol.

 

[Jntg4]

Ah, okay. So did he just get beat out my Mateo then? Because if not, I have no idea wtf is going on, lol.

Mateo beat him out, yes.

 

[AddisonStation]

Silva's arrogance got him released. Like Hendry said, he came into camp thinking he had already won the job.

After his behavior this spring, I'm surprised some of you guys would still back him.

Ideally, Id like to have silva in there instead of eating the salary but he pushed himself out the door.

Good riddance.

 

[X]

What is so bad with a 4.5 ERA anyway? That's about average. That from a 5 starter is pretty damn good.

Fine, if we have a 5th starter w/ an era @ 4.5 tho, he sure as hell better not have character concerns...or start fights amongst his teammates in a freaking spring training game....b/c that's pretty average, which means he's pretty replaceable.

 

[Jntg4]

Fine, if we have a 5th starter w/ an era @ 4.5 tho, he sure as hell better not have character concerns...or start fights amongst his teammates in a freaking spring training game....b/c that's pretty average, which means he's pretty replaceable.

Perfect!

 

[poodski]

Cubs release Silva

Let's look at it this way. Last year the best team according to babip was .274. The worst was .311 that's a difference of .037.

Let's use mark buehrle from last year. He threw 230 innings and over that time he faces 897 batters. Now I am on my phone so some of these stats may be off by a little bit but of those we will take out 165 of those for defense not touching them and leaves him with 732 balls in play. Probably a little off let's call if 725 for easy math. So given his .313 babip he gave up 227 hits in play.

Now the white sox had an overall team babip of 305. Let's put him on the best team and lower his babip to 280. That drops him to 203 hits in play. Add the walks and homeruns and his whip becomes 1.29 or .11 better. That's a pretty big difference IMO.

 

[poodski]

Cubs release Silva

Anyone talking about him starting fight and bashing the cubs. I would hate to hear how you feel about Zambrano.