Cubs release Silva / signs minor league deal w/ Yankees

[Captain Obvious]

1.) His career record is 70-70.
2.) His career ERA is 4.68.
3.) His three largest win total years boated accompanying ERAs of 4.19, 4.21 and 5.94 (!!!).
4.) Over his last 4 seasons, he has played with 4 different teams and has a record 28-38.
5.) He has character concerns...the dude started a fight in the dugout after the first inning of a spring training game in which he gave up 2 home runs.

You are using W-L, a terrible barometer of talent and ERA a better one, but not a good one, to say how good of a pitcher he is. He doesn't have control of his defense does or what the offense does

I think you mean:
A) Not be a distraction
or
B) Make the team lose games

HOW DOES HE MAKE THE TEAM WORSE!?!

 

[Captain Obvious]

No, I'm not saying Cashner will be better for sure, but Cashner is better to have starting.

It doesn't even need to take performance into account. Silva's comments about the Cubs organization and about Riggins were unacceptable and intolerable. Congrats to the Cubs for making the bold move.

No, Cashner isn't better to have starting. Silva is. He is the one that we should be trying to showcase in order to trade.

Silva's comments were after they told him he wouldn't make the rotation! If he makes the rotation, he doesn't make the comments! This isn't tough. Hell, even if he makes the bullpen he probably doesn't make these comments.

 

[Jntg4]

You are using W-L, a terrible barometer of talent and ERA a better one, but not a good one, to say how good of a pitcher he is. He doesn't have control of his defense does or what the offense does




HOW DOES HE MAKE THE TEAM WORSE!?!

He makes the team worse because he isn't a good pitcher anymore. Everybody in this world, part from you, knows this.

 

[Captain Obvious]

He makes the team worse because he isn't a good pitcher anymore. Everybody in this world, part from you, knows this.

How the hell isn't he a good pitcher? I recall just last year that he put up a 3.75 FIP. How is that not a good pitcher? Hmm?

 

[Jntg4]

How the hell isn't he a good pitcher? I recall just last year that he put up a 3.75 FIP. How is that not a good pitcher? Hmm?

He was good for two months, that is it.

Damn, people say stuff about me liking Cashner, but I think it is you who needs to get off of Silva's dick.

 

[Captain Obvious]

He was good for two months, that is it.

Damn, people say stuff about me liking Cashner, but I think it is you who needs to get off of Silva's dick.

2 good months? What two months were those anyway, Jntg?

 

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You are using W-L, a terrible barometer of talent and ERA a better one, but not a good one, to say how good of a pitcher he is. He doesn't have control of his defense does or what the offense does




HOW DOES HE MAKE THE TEAM WORSE!?!

The dude had one season as a starter w/ an era. under 4.19. I didn't factor in the amount of times a pitcher got mixed up on signs from the catcher and threw fastballs to Sosa instead of sliders, either, but I know he hit the piss outta the ball.

 

[Captain Obvious]

The dude had one season as a starter w/ an era. under 4.19. I didn't factor in the amount of times a pitcher got mixed up on signs from the catcher and threw fastballs to Sosa instead of sliders, either, but I know he hit the piss outta the ball.

So Poods and I get shit from Dewey when we use just FIP(a better stat than ERA), yet somehow people think that using just ERA is okay. That makes a whole fuckload of sense.

ERA doesn't take into account how the defense behind him was, does it? How is Silva supposed to play 9 positions at once?

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

From what I've heard, Hendry did make calls for possibly trading Silva after he made it clear that he did not want to go to AAA, and no one wanted him.

It's definitely not fair to say Silva's a bad pitcher. He didn't begin the season 10-0 on accident last year. That speaks to something.

And CO, if you're so concerned that your money is being wasted by buying a Cubs ticket to pay Silva for NOT playing... don't buy tickets. Do all 42,000 fans that will be in attendance a favor and just don't go. Problems solved.

 

[Jntg4]

So Poods and I get shit from Dewey when we use just FIP(a better stat than ERA), yet somehow people think that using just ERA is okay. That makes a whole fuckload of sense.

ERA doesn't take into account how the defense behind him was, does it? How is Silva supposed to play 9 positions at once?

Dews has never given Poods shit about using FIP. He told him to stop basing EVERYTHING off it.

 

[Jntg4]

From what I've heard, Hendry did make calls for possibly trading Silva after he made it clear that he did not want to go to AAA, and no one wanted him.

It's definitely not fair to say Silva's a bad pitcher. He didn't begin the season 10-0 on accident last year. That speaks to something.

And CO, if you're so concerned that your money is being wasted by buying a Cubs ticket to pay Silva for NOT playing... don't buy tickets. Do all 42,000 fans that will be in attendance a favor and just don't go. Problems solved.

He started 8-0, not 10-0.

 

[poodski]

Cubs release Silva

I feel like during the duration of this thread baseball statistics just got set back forty years.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

So Poods and I get shit from Dewey when we use just FIP(a better stat than ERA), yet somehow people think that using just ERA is okay. That makes a whole fuckload of sense.

ERA doesn't take into account how the defense behind him was, does it? How is Silva supposed to play 9 positions at once?

Dude. It's called EARNED run average for a reason. It doesn't take into account errors from the other eight guys on the field. Granted, it can be skewed, for example, if a ball is not thrown to the cut off man or thrown off line.

Saying ERA us useless is like saying WHIP is meaningless because there's different umpires calling balls and strikes and they're not going to have the same strike zone.

 

[Jntg4]

Dude. It's called EARNED run average for a reason. It doesn't take into account errors from the other eight guys on the field. Granted, it can be skewed, for example, if a ball is not thrown to the cut off man or thrown off line.

Saying ERA us useless is like saying WHIP is meaningless because there's different umpires calling balls and strikes and they're not going to have the same strike zone.

And all our pitchers have the same defenders behind them. If he can't perform with our defense, what do we do? Trade every position player on our team so he can be good, or trade him?

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

He started 8-0, not 10-0.

Whatever. 8-0. Still good. I wouldn't be like question Silva being a bad pitcher for going 8-0. He's just not right for the Cubs anymore.

 

[poodski]

Cubs release Silva

Dude. It's called EARNED run average for a reason. It doesn't take into account errors from the other eight guys on the field. Granted, it can be skewed, for example, if a ball is not thrown to the cut off man or thrown off line.

Saying ERA us useless is like saying WHIP is meaningless because there's different umpires calling balls and strikes and they're not going to have the same strike zone.

To be fair whip is a bad stat as well. But not because of umpires but because of defense.

 

[Jntg4]

Whatever. 8-0. Still good. I wouldn't be like question Silva being a bad pitcher for going 8-0. He's just not right for the Cubs anymore.

Fair enough. CO seems to think he's the second coming of Bob Gibson though, so bad had to come up.

 

[Jntg4]

To be fair whip is a bad stat as well. But not because of umpires but because of defense.

But if he can't perform with our defense, what do we do? Trade every position player on our team or trade him?

 

[Captain Obvious]

From what I've heard, Hendry did make calls for possibly trading Silva after he made it clear that he did not want to go to AAA, and no one wanted him.

It's definitely not fair to say Silva's a bad pitcher. He didn't begin the season 10-0 on accident last year. That speaks to something.

And CO, if you're so concerned that your money is being wasted by buying a Cubs ticket to pay Silva for NOT playing... don't buy tickets. Do all 42,000 fans that will be in attendance a favor and just don't go. Problems solved.

It's not just the attendance. I happen to want Fielder/Pujols next year, I'm sure most do. Spending 6 million this year on nothing and 2 million next year on nothing isn't exactly the smartest thing to do in order to get Pujols/Fielder.

I don't have a problem with them not trading him and releasing him so much as I do with them not giving him a spot.

Dews has never given Poods shit about using FIP. He told him to stop basing EVERYTHING off it.

You still haven't answered any questions. Like how Silva is bad. Come on now...

I feel like during the duration of this thread baseball statistics just got set back forty years.

But, but, but he had 2 good months in 4 years!

 

[DewsSox79]

Dude. It's called EARNED run average for a reason. It doesn't take into account errors from the other eight guys on the field. Granted, it can be skewed, for example, if a ball is not thrown to the cut off man or thrown off line.

Saying ERA us useless is like saying WHIP is meaningless because there's different umpires calling balls and strikes and they're not going to have the same strike zone.

:clap: well put!