Cubs Trade Castro to Yankees

[czman]

Theo preached players not getting a no trade clause and he gives it to Zobrist? Wtf is going on?

He also preached building slow and not going after older FA. He lost his mind and is going agaisnt everything he said.

I was really hoping the Cubs would make some moves to bring in quality players who were 26-31. Maybe a trade for a younger player. I was hoping for moving surplus in one stop to fill a weakness.

If the Cubs had moved Castro and Hendricks for Inciarte and a young arm I would have liked that better. Then signed two pitchers. I don't know how they fill CF now.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

They got a guy a guy who might be a good starter if they go that way but what they do have for sure is competition at #5 between Hendricks, Cahill and Warren. Nobody wanted to give up on Soler or Baez and they didn't move them. Nor did they move Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres one of whom will likely take over for Zobrist in two years at 2B. They still have guys like Almora, McKinney and EJM. Zobrist projects as .271/.352/.420 with a 3.1 fWAR in 2016. He's the contact hitter they needed in the lineup. I'm not sure how this team isn't better right now.

 

[beckdawg]

Oh and for the record, I don't love the trade. However, I'm holding judgement until I see how the rest of the offseason plays out. Ultimately, I think I would have gone with Castro and hoped to rebuild some of his value. On the other hand, if they don't get a lead off hitter out of CF you're fucked in that regard. So, as I said here or perhaps else where he makes sense and he's not going to kill you financially at $14 mil or whatever it was.

With all that being said, I mean Castro is what he was. He was a usually good player but doubtful to be a great player and sometimes was down right horrible. Losing him isn't the end of the world just wish if you're doing it they would have done it on the high side of his value not the low end.

 

[TL1961]

Don't worry. He is just happy Castro is gone.

I am happy the team made the right decision on who to move.

I am not in love with paying a 35 year old FA for 4 years. But I AM in love with a guy who walks more than he K's, and plays good D all over the field.

 

[czman]

I'm not sure how this team isn't better right now.

Of course they are better. The question is not are they better after spending more money and getting another year under the young players belts. The questions is did they not make better moves to make these moves. The answer is yes.

 

[chibears55]

Anybody think that maybe the other teams didn't want or had no need for Castro and this was the best offer they got for him

Castro was getting traded. . They weren't keeping him and Baez, and apparently they preferred to keep Baez

I dont know why everyone so up in arms over this
They improved the team without losing any core players

I think they jumped ahead of both the Cardinals and Pirates right now and they still need to add a CFer and depending on who that is could make the offense even better

 

[Parade_Rain]

They needed a CF not a 2b. So they have gotten older, tied up money, lost draft resources, and still have the same glaring need they had when the off season started. There were a lot of pitchers available for money. I would rather they traded castro or Baez for a CF and signed to FA pitchers.

Zobrist has more versatility than Castro. He can go play LF when Schwarber is catching, etc. Castro was moved because his team friendly contract freed up payroll to stay in the Heyward sweepstakes, IMHO.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Oh and for the record, I don't love the trade. However, I'm holding judgement until I see how the rest of the offseason plays out. Ultimately, I think I would have gone with Castro and hoped to rebuild some of his value. On the other hand, if they don't get a lead off hitter out of CF you're fucked in that regard. So, as I said here or perhaps else where he makes sense and he's not going to kill you financially at $14 mil or whatever it was.

With all that being said, I mean Castro is what he was. He was a usually good player but doubtful to be a great player and sometimes was down right horrible. Losing him isn't the end of the world just wish if you're doing it they would have done it on the high side of his value not the low end.

Zobrist is going to lead off.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Zobrist has more versatility than Castro. He can go play LF when Schwarber is catching, etc. Castro was moved because his team friendly contract freed up payroll to stay in the Heyward sweepstakes, IMHO.

I hope so. That would tie up things nicely. Unfortunately I'm hearing they're going after Parra which would be the first move I truly wouldn't like.

 

[chibears55]

Zobrist has more versatility than Castro. He can go play LF when Schwarber is catching, etc. Castro was moved because his team friendly contract freed up payroll to stay in the Heyward sweepstakes, IMHO.

That exactly what im thinking and hoping for

Heyward still in the picture

Their only paying Zobrist 10 mil this year, leaving some breathing room

@GDubCub: Zobrist salaries: $10m in '16, then $16m, $16m, $12m + $2m bonus on front end.

 

[Parade_Rain]

You misunderstand. He closed the window a bit on this team by aging it. Figuring 5 or 6 years window to win, now 3 or 4 IMOP.

Big money on guys on the tale end of their career is not a good investment....you get burned more often than not.

He hasn't aged the roster. That's silly. He got a pitcher for two years while the pitching in the MiLB matures. He got a guy in Zobrist that can handle multiple spots, is a tough out and does what it takes for the team to win. Trading Castro didn't make the team older and it remains to be seen what else they do this off-season. I liked Castro a lot, but let's not step out to the ledge because they improved the leadership on this team.

 

[Diehardfan]

Disagree here big time. If anything, this opens the window wider for 2016/2017, and does nothing beyond. Had they traded for Zobrist, or Lackey then a different discussion could be there, but they just signed them, so nothing really lost.

The core is already in place with all the young guys. They can go around and sign veterans to 2,3,4 year deals every year offseason to fill in some of the holes and keep things flowing.

Good Lord, it goes much deeper than that. The 5 or 6 years was the window for all these young talented players before getting paid. But before that you have to think about arbitration which is only 3 years away for some of them...while there is no cap in MLB, it isn't carte blanche. If you have a handful of these fossils nearing the end of their careers that you can't get out from underneath their bigass contracts, then you're forced to move assets again. Similar to the Blackhawks purging. 2 year deals, ok. But when you start hitting 4 like with Zobrist, that's a recipe for disaster...admittedly, its only one so far but I don't like seeing anything that could force good young players out down the line.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Lackey not so much with a 2 yr deal but a younger signing would have been ideal. But check out the little extras included for Zobrist....signing bonuses, no-trade stips. They'll be stuck with this clown till he's 39...and his games played has been steadily declining for the last 4 years as it is.

"This clown" doesn't describe him at all as a player or a person. He's top notch.

 

[Diehardfan]

He hasn't aged the roster. That's silly. He got a pitcher for two years while the pitching in the MiLB matures. He got a guy in Zobrist that can handle multiple spots, is a tough out and does what it takes for the team to win. Trading Castro didn't make the team older and it remains to be seen what else they do this off-season. I liked Castro a lot, but let's not step out to the ledge because they improved the leadership on this team.

Please explain how signing a 37 yr old pitcher, a 35 year old utilityman and trading a 26 yr old 2B for a 28 year old middle reliever didn't age this team. Is there some magical sabermetric that counteracts basic math?

 

[Parade_Rain]

Please explain how signing a 37 yr old pitcher, a 35 year old utilityman and trading a 26 yr old 2B for a 28 year old middle reliever didn't age this team. Is there some magical sabermetric that counteracts basic math?

I already explained it to you. Take a deep breath and get your heart rate lowered.

 

[beckdawg]

Zobrist is going to lead off.

That's what I mean. If you don't sign Zobrist you had to go for Span/Fowler to lead off.

 

[CSF77]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/who-might-adam-warren-be/

 

[chibears55]

Good Lord, it goes much deeper than that. The 5 or 6 years was the window for all these young talented players before getting paid. But before that you have to think about arbitration which is only 3 years away for some of them...while there is no cap in MLB, it isn't carte blanche. If you have a handful of these fossils nearing the end of their careers that you can't get out from underneath their bigass contracts, then you're forced to move assets again. Similar to the Blackhawks purging. 2 year deals, ok. But when you start hitting 4 like with Zobrist, that's a recipe for disaster...admittedly, its only one so far but I don't like seeing anything that could force good young players out down the line.

Rizzo signed thru 2020
Soler signed thru 2020

Correct me if im wrong but Baez, Russell, Bryant, and Schwarber are under team control for what 5-6 yrs

So, not sure who your worried about not getting paid if they all make it that far as stud major leaguers. ..

Handful of fossils ? The only fossils signed past 3 yrs is Lester and now Zobrist in which Lester salary goes down to 20 and 10 his last 2 yrs and Zobrist will have 1 year at 12

I doubt their payroll going to be a problem in 4 yrs as it stands now, plus they will have that big tv deal ...

 

[theberserkfury]

It's hilarious reading so many of you LOSING YOUR MINDS over this stuff... haven't missed this place at all. :smh:

Beck's the voice of reason as always... gotta admire your patience, man.

 

[beckdawg]

https://twitter.com/DSzymborski/status/674435358336004096

^ Warren projections. They REALLY like him.

here's two other projections.

Reliever only https://twitter.com/DSzymborski/status/674435065162559488
Reliever/Starter combo https://twitter.com/DSzymborski/status/674434375090438144

So, seems pretty clear that while Warren doesn't seem all that amazing at first glance the cubs may have seen something analytical they liked.