Dallas Stars @ Chicago Blackhawks 2/23/12 IGT

[icehogfan08]

ok icehog. grindiness!

way to ignore the points per game response i had for ya with statsny and getz!

again, ott doesnt do anything to get you in the finals. he would be a compliment to a skilled player addition.

Actually I'm at Work and didn't see it. I'll look it up now tho

 

[icehogfan08]

heres what I said below in the other thread. Way to look at a surface stat!

Not True on bold, contract yes.

I tend to follow the trends on players, RG has played less games than PS in the last couple of seasons. I dont care if it was a fracture from a puck to the face. Just my opinion, if im drafting a team im taking statsny all day. last 2 seasons pretty much full seasons for PS, while RG was at 65.

4 of his 8 goals are on the PP, and having 8 goals on a line that really isnt that bad is a bit scary. will his passing help the PP, yeah.

Getz: OPS 1.8
Stastny: OPS 2.7 <<<<< which we really fucking need on this team

Getz: DPS 0.9
Stastny: DPS 1.1

^ Above is not a "WAR" for hockey. If you read about it is pretty dead on, and when you have gaps from one player to the other it does show who is the better overall player with both ends of the ice working.

I will repeat again, evaluations in any sport come from the following: Conventional Stats ( excluding in hockey GAA as for a single player since it is a team stat, and +/- which is subjective. than use advanced stats and or metrics, and the eye test. All by themselves used is very very stupid, you need to use all to gain the proper evaluation of a player.

TOI: 1078 for Stastny
TOI: 1306 For Getz

And yet the only thing he has is more assists, 10 more....lets stasny catch up on TOI and see where they are at. He is a better player before adjustments, and far better after.

He is an overall better player. The only thing that would make me hesitate after thinking about it is contract length.

Now if only there was a stat on "board battles"

PPG PS: 11,3,7,9,4,5=39 406 GP
PPG RG: 10,11,4,9,8,7,4=53 490 GP

Try again.

you have yet to find a stat that proves otherwise. "the fact that getzlaf is better overall"

Also knowing that he probably doesnt help this year to get us to the cup, you wait until the offseason to trade for him if you have a hard on for him. Stan will get fleeced in a deal right now for him, his value is much higher coming to the deadline than the offseason. That is fact, so why give up more for a guy that may help you get through a round or so?

Your saying he is better and trying to point out he is the more skilled player. Maybe he is maybe he isn't, what we are all trying to say is that Getz brings more of an all around game and that's what is needed for this team.


Lol it's funny because you always talk about this grindiness, look at the past 3 years and how much grit played a factor with those teams. Now call me a fucking idiot moron homer because we don't agree. This forum is so much better when you don't post in here because actual discussions happen, and with out someone coming in here criticizing posters cause they don't agree with him.

 

[DewsSox79]

heres what I said below in the other thread. Way to look at a surface stat!



Your saying he is better and trying to point out he is the more skilled player. Maybe he is maybe he isn't, what we are all trying to say is that Getz brings more of an all around game and that's what is needed for this team.


Lol it's funny because you always talk about this grindiness, look at the past 3 years and how much grit played a factor with those teams. Now call me a fucking idiot moron homer because we don't agree. This forum is so much better when you don't post in here because actual discussions happen, and with out someone coming in here criticizing posters cause they don't agree with him.

Thats cool. I brought Specific Statistics and you brought "avg points per game" Bring more to your debates than board battles, grit, and 1 stat.

The players AGAIN that played a big role that were physical in the past few seasons were skilled. Burish and fraser DO NOTHING to help you win a cup now. That is fact.

If you dont like me posting and writing long debates with an added name call to you, than go back to PSD where you can pitch a tent in Hawkwriters ass. Im not going anywhere.

So please, bring more to your debate than grit, board battles, and whatever else you claim to see from your delusional head.

 

[icehogfan08]

Thats cool. I brought Specific Statistics and you brought "avg points per game" Bring more to your debates than board battles, grit, and 1 stat.

The players AGAIN that played a big role that were physical in the past few seasons were skilled. Burish and fraser DO NOTHING to help you win a cup now. That is fact.

If you dont like me posting and writing long debates with an added name call to you, than go back to PSD where you can pitch a tent in Hawkwriters ass. Im not going anywhere.

So please, bring more to your debate than grit, board battles, and whatever else you claim to see from your delusional head.

Lol never said anything about board battles. However Burish and Fraser where 2 big parts of the Hawks PK that year. Those guys would block shots, something that no one on this team really does with the exception of Hammer.

Also how are those points per game not stats. They are goals and assists something you are so concerned about having.

 

[DewsSox79]

Lol never said anything about board battles. However Burish and Fraser where 2 big parts of the Hawks PK that year. Those guys would block shots, something that no one on this team really does with the exception of Hammer.

Also how are those points per game not stats. They are goals and assists something you are so concerned about having.

is that for this season? or career?

either way TOI skews that stat especially the gap between the two.

 

[icehogfan08]

is that for this season? or career?

either way TOI skews that stat especially the gap between the two.

Career

 

[DewsSox79]

Career

I agree its a stat that you are using. the differential is too small to judge off of that. Total games played has a huge factor on this making it way too subjective to base off of that. It could put statsny in the dumper or make him the king.

I will agree that they are different type of players. I understand Getz has his strong suits, maybe he would be the better fit financially and for net presence which we lack. I would just prefer to stick with speed and skill players (not saying he is skilled, but the old russian philosophy) add a player like stats and than get your physical guy for the bottom pairing. :dunno: