Dallas Stars @ Chicago Blackhawks 2/23/12 IGT

[DMelt36]

You could however kill 2 birds with one stone. Get a #2 center that's not afraid to mix it up. Bob mckenzei is reporting the kings will take offers on Dustin Brown. He's not a center but definately a top 6 for the Hawks, can help the power play, and use his big body

Would be an interesting one.

 

[DewsSox79]

You could however kill 2 birds with one stone. Get a #2 center that's not afraid to mix it up. Bob mckenzei is reporting the kings will take offers on Dustin Brown. He's not a center but definately a top 6 for the Hawks, can help the power play, and use his big body

thank you! someone finally understands!

 

[DewsSox79]

Yeah, and a week after the Hawks would've acquired Carter you'd ***** about him partying too much with Kane.



Skill alone never won a Stanley Cup. But you show me a team that's assembled more skill than the Hawks have.

Lets see: Il take:

Det,Van,Philly right off the top of my head. I can go any direction you want to go to prove my point. its ok dmelt, you can admit your favorite team is flawwed. nothing wrong with it.

 

[DMelt36]

Lets see: Il take:

Det,Van,Philly right off the top of my head. I can go any direction you want to go to prove my point. its ok dmelt, you can admit your favorite team is flawwed. nothing wrong with it.

There ya go again, putting words in people's mouths that you think were there to solidify your argument.

Never said the team wasn't flawed. Just thought the notion of you laughing at someone who said the team has plenty of skill is fucking moronic.

They've got flaws. So does every single team in the league. So does every team in every sport that's ever been played ever.

 

[derosabomb]

Lets see: Il take:

Det,Van,Philly right off the top of my head. I can go any direction you want to go to prove my point. its ok dmelt, you can admit your favorite team is flawwed. nothing wrong with it.

lol when did they finally win a cup..

 

[Jntg4]

lol when did they finally win a cup..

Same with Philly... they have the longest drought in the NHL.

 

[HawkWriter]

HAHA! Thats too funny!

So they don't have plenty of skill?

How are they 4th in the NHL in goals per game...yet they don't have enough skill? Also, the Dmen are barely scoring this year...just proving that the Forwards are doing plenty of the work. Hawks are 23rd in goals against, just for the record.

This forward group has plenty of skill but they are missing some useful grind. Some guys to forecheck the hell out of the other team and pound them, so just like everydaybuff noted, so come third period they have dead legs.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, when the Blackhawks won the cup they had one of the best 4th lines in the league. Eager/Burish and then Madden/Fraser as a center. They had guys who could kill penalties, skate, forecheck, chip in offensively, and handle business. The only guy the Blackhawks have like this in the bottom 6 right now is Mayers. While I love the defensive game that Frolik plays, he doesn't play a 4th line kind of game.

I would love a 2C and a Dman...but this team also needs some of that useful grind to go far. Last year's team was built with absolutely no grind and I think everyone saw how that went.

So, I find your comment, which wasn't backed up in the slightest, funny...go find some MLB stats to toss around, good luck. I'm not the dumbass here. Do you ever sit down and think that just about everyone, except CaptainSerious who is up your ass, disagrees with you for a reason? Could be because you are fucking wrong...Boston Bruins winning the Stanley Cup last year says that you need a nice blend of Skill/Grit. The Blackhawks have more skill than the Bruins, that is damn sure...but they don't have that grit. It once again comes down to you being a douchebag when you disagree with someone, trying to make it personal instead of just disagreeing in an appropriate manner and listing your case.

 

[HawkWriter]

thank you! someone finally understands!

So Ice Hog says...."You could however kill 2 birds with one stone. Get a #2 center that's not afraid to mix it up. Bob mckenzei is reporting the kings will take offers on Dustin Brown. He's not a center but definately a top 6 for the Hawks, can help the power play, and use his big body"

And Paul Stastny would be a better fit for the Blackhawks than Ryan Getzlaf?

Damn, wish one of those two guys was a #2 (or #1) center that's not afraid to mix it up...

 

[icehogfan08]

So they don't have plenty of skill?

How are they 4th in the NHL in goals per game...yet they don't have enough skill? Also, the Dmen are barely scoring this year...just proving that the Forwards are doing plenty of the work. Hawks are 23rd in goals against, just for the record.

This forward group has plenty of skill but they are missing some useful grind. Some guys to forecheck the hell out of the other team and pound them, so just like everydaybuff noted, so come third period they have dead legs.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, when the Blackhawks won the cup they had one of the best 4th lines in the league. Eager/Burish and then Madden/Fraser as a center. They had guys who could kill penalties, skate, forecheck, chip in offensively, and handle business. The only guy the Blackhawks have like this in the bottom 6 right now is Mayers. While I love the defensive game that Frolik plays, he doesn't play a 4th line kind of game.

I would love a 2C and a Dman...but this team also needs some of that useful grind to go far. Last year's team was built with absolutely no grind and I think everyone saw how that went.

So, I find your comment, which wasn't backed up in the slightest, funny...go find some MLB stats to toss around, good luck. I'm not the dumbass here. Do you ever sit down and think that just about everyone, except CaptainSerious who is up your ass, disagrees with you for a reason? Could be because you are fucking wrong...Boston Bruins winning the Stanley Cup last year says that you need a nice blend of Skill/Grit. The Blackhawks have more skill than the Bruins, that is damn sure...but they don't have that grit. It once again comes down to you being a douchebag when you disagree with someone, trying to make it personal instead of just disagreeing in an appropriate manner and listing your case.

We miss the guys like Fraser, Ladd, Burish, and hell even Matt Walker was very solid when he was here. Those guys could go out there hit, kill penalties, and they even had skill to play the PK.

The Bruins used their grit to their advantage last year. They wore the Canucks down. The Nucks came in and thought they were going to dominate physically, until Boston showed them otherwise.

 

[DewsSox79]

So they don't have plenty of skill?

How are they 4th in the NHL in goals per game...yet they don't have enough skill? Also, the Dmen are barely scoring this year...just proving that the Forwards are doing plenty of the work. Hawks are 23rd in goals against, just for the record.

This forward group has plenty of skill but they are missing some useful grind. Some guys to forecheck the hell out of the other team and pound them, so just like everydaybuff noted, so come third period they have dead legs.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, when the Blackhawks won the cup they had one of the best 4th lines in the league. Eager/Burish and then Madden/Fraser as a center. They had guys who could kill penalties, skate, forecheck, chip in offensively, and handle business. The only guy the Blackhawks have like this in the bottom 6 right now is Mayers. While I love the defensive game that Frolik plays, he doesn't play a 4th line kind of game.

I would love a 2C and a Dman...but this team also needs some of that useful grind to go far. Last year's team was built with absolutely no grind and I think everyone saw how that went.

So, I find your comment, which wasn't backed up in the slightest, funny...go find some MLB stats to toss around, good luck. I'm not the dumbass here. Do you ever sit down and think that just about everyone, except CaptainSerious who is up your ass, disagrees with you for a reason? Could be because you are fucking wrong...Boston Bruins winning the Stanley Cup last year says that you need a nice blend of Skill/Grit. The Blackhawks have more skill than the Bruins, that is damn sure...but they don't have that grit. It once again comes down to you being a douchebag when you disagree with someone, trying to make it personal instead of just disagreeing in an appropriate manner and listing your case.

Ok, so lets just go with a grinder and physical player, **** a skilled player, go with a grinder that wins board battles, oh wait dont we have a ton of those guys according to your fan club already according to your fan club?

If you think we are a physical player away from winning the cup, you and your following will be heartbroken when they get bounced in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

i find it amusing that i actually was nice, wrote you a PM and you are back to your old self. nice!

Baseball stats? actually those are all real numbers that you couldnt debate against so you gave up, spewwed some shit about a tsn and went away from the debate like a child. if you dont understand stats other than GF, GAA, Points, and hits....I cant help ya.

The people who disagree with me use heads up records to evaluate a teams seperation from skill levels per team. hence the comparison of our record vs det, and van this year being ok when the CBJ are 1-1-1 against the det,does that make them close to being good as well. I consider the source (the user) so I am not hurt when someone like this disagrees.

yay! you found a stat Goals For to back up you arguement! way to go buddy! I have about 10 different things other than fucking Goals For to back up my claim. Do want me to toss those cards on ya now?

You should be proud that you have tbo, icehog, everydayimbuff, and dmelt on your side. Its real easy to gather people to take your side when you are a homer, ya know the same likes stick together.

Oh, chicago ranks 20th on the PP..We should get a grinder to help us out with that....weird how VAN is number 1.

 

[DewsSox79]

We miss the guys like Fraser, Ladd, Burish, and hell even Matt Walker was very solid when he was here. Those guys could go out there hit, kill penalties, and they even had skill to play the PK.

The Bruins used their grit to their advantage last year. They wore the Canucks down. The Nucks came in and thought they were going to dominate physically, until Boston showed them otherwise.

what?! Burish, Fraser, Walker?! The bruins physical players were skilled you fucking idiot.

There is a difference between being a physical/grinder as your only element to your game, and adding that to an actual skilled player.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

nahshville has been number 2 for a while now

who is their skilled forward that is making that pp so great?

 

[icehogfan08]

what?! Burish, Fraser, Walker?! The bruins physical players were skilled you fucking idiot.

There is a difference between being a physical/grinder as your only element to your game, and adding that to an actual skilled player.

I know that, I never said they weren't skilled. I pointed out that they used their physical play to wear down the Canucks to win them a cup. You fucking moron dope homer meatball

 

[DewsSox79]

1 and 9

1 and 10

12 and 12

10 and 21

5 and 9

6 and 22
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1 and 11

4 and 30

3 and 24

1 and 1

5 and 9

0 and 7

5 and 19

19 goals on d for hawks
35 goals on d for wings

a whopping 16 goals more for the defense, looks like that hawks offense really is picking up the slack the difference is slight at best.

 

[DewsSox79]

nahshville has been number 2 for a while now

who is their skilled forward that is making that pp so great?

you do realize that Nashvilles team structure is totally different than the hawks. They rely on defense, goaltending, the trap, and physical play. That is they way they are built. You cant just add 1 guy to that team and all of a sudden call them a skilled team, just like one guy to the hawks that is physical doesnt make them a physical team. It is the way they are built, nothing even close to the philosophy that the hawks have.

 

[icehogfan08]

Ok so Dewey wants skilled offensive players.

Getzlaf has a career .93 points per game.
Statsny has .88 points per game.

Wouldn't that mean Getz is the better choice offensively, with a better cap hit?

 

[HawkWriter]

i find it amusing that i actually was nice, wrote you a PM and you are back to your old self. nice!

So you didn't rip on me and basically call me a dumbass in the chat?

Yea, I probably shouldn't respond to that. Sounds real nice...genius.

My comments are in reaction to what you write and how you write it...funny that I have an issue with 2 people in this forum and you seem to have it with everyone...coincidence? We all know the answer (except for you apparently).

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

you do realize that Nashvilles team structure is totally different than the hawks. They rely on defense, goaltending, the trap, and physical play. That is they way they are built. You cant just add 1 guy to that team and all of a sudden call them a skilled team, just like one guy to the hawks that is physical doesnt make them a physical team. It is the way they are built, nothing even close to the philosophy that the hawks have.

wait, so defensive physical hockey can be successful?

then why wrre you all over me for saying dallas beat the hawks by doing EXACTLY that?

 

[icehogfan08]

wait, so defensive physical hockey can be successful?

then why wrre you all over me for saying dallas beat the hawks by doing EXACTLY that?

Cause your a meatball duh.

 

[DewsSox79]

Ok so Dewey wants skilled offensive players.

Getzlaf has a career .93 points per game.
Statsny has .88 points per game.

Wouldn't that mean Getz is the better choice offensively, with a better cap hit?

heres what I said below in the other thread. Way to look at a surface stat!

Not True on bold, contract yes.

I tend to follow the trends on players, RG has played less games than PS in the last couple of seasons. I dont care if it was a fracture from a puck to the face. Just my opinion, if im drafting a team im taking statsny all day. last 2 seasons pretty much full seasons for PS, while RG was at 65.

4 of his 8 goals are on the PP, and having 8 goals on a line that really isnt that bad is a bit scary. will his passing help the PP, yeah.

Getz: OPS 1.8
Stastny: OPS 2.7 <<<<< which we really fucking need on this team

Getz: DPS 0.9
Stastny: DPS 1.1

^ Above is not a "WAR" for hockey. If you read about it is pretty dead on, and when you have gaps from one player to the other it does show who is the better overall player with both ends of the ice working.

I will repeat again, evaluations in any sport come from the following: Conventional Stats ( excluding in hockey GAA as for a single player since it is a team stat, and +/- which is subjective. than use advanced stats and or metrics, and the eye test. All by themselves used is very very stupid, you need to use all to gain the proper evaluation of a player.

TOI: 1078 for Stastny
TOI: 1306 For Getz

And yet the only thing he has is more assists, 10 more....lets stasny catch up on TOI and see where they are at. He is a better player before adjustments, and far better after.

He is an overall better player. The only thing that would make me hesitate after thinking about it is contract length.

Now if only there was a stat on "board battles"

PPG PS: 11,3,7,9,4,5=39 406 GP
PPG RG: 10,11,4,9,8,7,4=53 490 GP

Try again.

you have yet to find a stat that proves otherwise. "the fact that getzlaf is better overall"

Also knowing that he probably doesnt help this year to get us to the cup, you wait until the offseason to trade for him if you have a hard on for him. Stan will get fleeced in a deal right now for him, his value is much higher coming to the deadline than the offseason. That is fact, so why give up more for a guy that may help you get through a round or so?