Darwin Barney's consecutive errorless streak: tied at 141

[Rice Cube]

114 straight errorless games at 2B. He did commit an error at SS during the streak but that technically doesn't count since he wasn't a 2B :lol:

 

[Jntg4]

143 is the all-time MLB mark

 

[X]

Think he committed an error tonight...didn't he?

 

[Rice Cube]

It was charged to Valbuena. The throw was in the air to the general area of 3B and Valbuena just whiffed on it.

 

[Rice Cube]

Here's the play:

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=24323583&c_id=mlb

 

[X]

It was charged to Valbuena. The throw was in the air to the general area of 3B and Valbuena just whiffed on it.

:lol: good deal

 

[Mr. Cub]

At least one Cub should win an award this year. Good D Barney.

 

[2SeamHeat]

Pretty sure there's nothing random about either the record or the report.

 

[ChicagoDawg1991]

I hope we hang onto Barney and I hope he gets to that Major League record

 

[Anno Catuli]

If Barney wants to set the Major League record for consecutive error-less games at second base, he needs to keep this going until September 29. He is a very talented defensive player, but I am not so sure he will win the gold glove this year for 2B in the NL. Eckstein did not win it when he set the mark at 113.

Unfortunately, the award usually goes to a great defender who also has some pretty good offensive statistics, which I am afraid Barney does not really have. Would be great if he won, but I do not see it being in the cards.

 

[dabynsky]

Yeah the award is entirely based on reputation and bat, which means Brandon Phillips will be the gold glover this year.

X, the error was originally charged to Barney on the play you mentioned, but was later correctly changed to Valbuena.

 

[Rice Cube]

From Muskat's blog earlier today...

Barney has gone a National League single-season record 117-straight games without an error at second base heading into Sunday’s game.

I guess that makes it 118 in a row at 2B. With 29 games left he has a shot of breaking Placido Polanco's record this season.

 

[Anno Catuli]

Yeah the award is entirely based on reputation and bat, which means Brandon Phillips will be the gold glover this year.

X, the error was originally charged to Barney on the play you mentioned, but was later correctly changed to Valbuena.

Add in that Phillips does all the webgem shit. It is all about the show unfortunately. Barney will get some votes, I have no doubt. If he keeps playing solid defense breaks the ML record and keeps playing great defense next year, then he could have a legit chance to win the award.

 

[Anno Catuli]

If you are wondering, here are the current longest errorless streaks in baseball history

1B - Kevin Youkilis 194 games
2B - Placido Polanco 147 games
3B - John Wehner 99 games
SS - Mike Bordick 110 games
OF - Darren Lewis 369 games
C - Mike Matheny - 252 games
P - Lee Smith 546 games

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_longest_errorless_streak_MLB_history#ixzz25Py0yMkP

 

[dabynsky]

If you are wondering, here are the current longest errorless streaks in baseball history

1B - Kevin Youkilis 194 games
2B - Placido Polanco 147 games
3B - John Wehner 99 games
SS - Mike Bordick 110 games
OF - Darren Lewis 369 games
C - Mike Matheny - 252 games
P - Lee Smith 546 games

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_longest_errorless_streak_MLB_history#ixzz25Py0yMkP

Mike Bordick having a record for defense at SS is about all you need to know about the limits of using errors for determining defensive abilities.

 

[dabynsky]

Add in that Phillips does all the webgem shit. It is all about the show unfortunately. Barney will get some votes, I have no doubt. If he keeps playing solid defense breaks the ML record and keeps playing great defense next year, then he could have a legit chance to win the award.

Barney has made more than a few spectuclar plays himself. Unforunately the fact that he is still a punch and judy hitter is what is going to keep him behind Phillips when it comes to vote. The Nats would be a lot scarier with Phillips on the roster (Minaya trading anything worthwhile to try to make the postseason to get him a job is still one of the things I absolutely despise about the way MLB handled the Expos).

 

[Mr. Cub]

It's called Gold "Glove" for a reason. And that's what it should be. They give away Silver bats and MVP's for players that can hit.

 

[2SeamHeat]

It's called Gold "Glove" for a reason. And that's what it should be. They give away Silver bats and MVP's for players that can hit.

That's true, but it's always been more of a popularity vote. Keep in mind that the people who vote for the Gold Glove awards are the players and coaches... do you really think the players themselves are going to look deeply at statistical data? Of course, not. If they do that, then that means their own statistical data will be scrutinized for their own chances at peer-decided awards. If you look at the history of the GG, it's been almost always given to the guy that is either the most popular player at a position amongst the players... or the most respected overall. Sure, there are times when that does actually correlate to the top defensive player... but as has been admitted by dozens upon dozens of players over the years, they either vote for the guy the respect the most... or the guy that stands out in terms of robbing him or his teammates.

Otherwise, how does Jeter win multiple GGs when he's never really been a top 3 or 4 defensive SS statistically? How did Mike Schmidt, who was a relative hack at 3B (makes Castro's error totals look small) but was capable of making spectacular plays, win 10 GGs? How did Veritek (a below average defensive catcher throughout his career, but immensely popular amongst players) win a GG in 2005 when not ranking in the top 5 in a single defensive stat?

 

[Rice Cube]

So I guess Barney has a chance

 

[Mr. Cub]

That's true, but it's always been more of a popularity vote. Keep in mind that the people who vote for the Gold Glove awards are the players and coaches... do you really think the players themselves are going to look deeply at statistical data? Of course, not. If they do that, then that means their own statistical data will be scrutinized for their own chances at peer-decided awards. If you look at the history of the GG, it's been almost always given to the guy that is either the most popular player at a position amongst the players... or the most respected overall. Sure, there are times when that does actually correlate to the top defensive player... but as has been admitted by dozens upon dozens of players over the years, they either vote for the guy the respect the most... or the guy that stands out in terms of robbing him or his teammates.

Otherwise, how does Jeter win multiple GGs when he's never really been a top 3 or 4 defensive SS statistically? How did Mike Schmidt, who was a relative hack at 3B (makes Castro's error totals look small) but was capable of making spectacular plays, win 10 GGs? How did Veritek (a below average defensive catcher throughout his career, but immensely popular amongst players) win a GG in 2005 when not ranking in the top 5 in a single defensive stat?

That's pretty dumb. It shouldn't be like that. But for the most part almost all awards are a popularity thing.