David Haugh this morning

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He said something like “Caleb has been pretty good. Is he Jayden Daniels? No. Daniels is great. Does that make him bad? No. We were wrong about him, but he’s not bad.” I think he meant wrong about the generational stuff

And I think that’s what is sinking in. Definitely to those outside of Chicago.

I’m never dogmatic about these things. Williams isn’t Rex grossman. He’s not awful. He just didn’t warrant the number one pick. Would I have been fine with getting a QB like him with the 27th pick? Sure. Good organizations find QBs like that with value.

And that’s the issue with the bears QB history. The last QB they got who was as good as their draft pick or better was Kyle Orton. Before that, who knows.

So, haugh sounded like a far cry from generational this morning. And it begs the question..

Will this be memory holed? You know, the way halfway through the 2006 season the majority of bears fans thought rex grossman was amazing and now there are like 5 people who will admit to that.

Because, here’s my issue with bears fans who were wrong about cutler, who don’t know who Rex grossman is, allegedly, and who will end up being wrong about Williams. (Not that he’s terrible, just not anywhere approaching generational).

The next time the bears are in position to have an actual rebuild where you build a solid team, they’re going to want their shiny new toy. They don’t think that the teams they watch with excellent QB play got there by hiring front office people who onow something others don’t. They don’t think it’s about getting value at QB. They think it’s about throwing as many prime assets as they can at the QB position.

And if you’re haugh, who talked about Williams like he was John way… do you really get to be the authority on this stuff the next time around?

I never really feel like I’m talking to people who thought that all of the previous guys were what they ended up being but now they really like Williams. Maybe trubisky, but that’s it. They thought jay cutler was what they think Williams is… well, what they’re grasping into him hopefully being.
 
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Whoopsie!!

Just drafted a dude first overall and nobody talked about maybe looking at the other dudes because of the hype machine behind this dude.
 

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Whoopsie!!

Just drafted a dude first overall and nobody talked about maybe looking at the other dudes because of the hype machine behind this dude.
They could have come up on a huge haul of picks and ended up with an equivalent QB or great talent as well. It’s so weird too because that’s exactly what they did last year.

I don’t know about you but “is he Jayden, no, but he’s still pretty good” is middle of the first round or lower talk
 

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I think the old rule of wait three years first applies to Caleb/Jayden.

Two head coaches, three coordinators, a shitty offensive line. That said, he’s only a couple of TDs behind Jayden and has half as many turnovers. And…if it wasn’t for his stupid head coach and GM, they’d be fighting for a wildcard spot. Caleb has brought them back three different times at least to only be short changed by his coach.

In short, we need to let this debate breathe. I am still convinced that Daniel’s will get his skinny ass broken in pieces eventually. I hope it doesn’t happen for what it’s worth!
 

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They could have come up on a huge haul of picks and ended up with an equivalent QB or great talent as well. It’s so weird too because that’s exactly what they did last year.

I don’t know about you but “is he Jayden, no, but he’s still pretty good” is middle of the first round or lower talk
How would Poles have done with those picks?
 

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He said something like “Caleb has been pretty good. Is he Jayden Daniels? No. Daniels is great. Does that make him bad? No. We were wrong about him, but he’s not bad.” I think he meant wrong about the generational stuff

And I think that’s what is sinking in. Definitely to those outside of Chicago.

I’m never dogmatic about these things. Williams isn’t Rex grossman. He’s not awful. He just didn’t warrant the number one pick. Would I have been fine with getting a QB like him with the 27th pick? Sure. Good organizations find QBs like that with value.

And that’s the issue with the bears QB history. The last QB they got who was as good as their draft pick or better was Kyle Orton. Before that, who knows.

So, haugh sounded like a far cry from generational this morning. And it begs the question..

Will this be memory holed? You know, the way halfway through the 2006 season the majority of bears fans thought rex grossman was amazing and now there are like 5 people who will admit to that.

Because, here’s my issue with bears fans who were wrong about cutler, who don’t know who Rex grossman is, allegedly, and who will end up being wrong about Williams. (Not that he’s terrible, just not anywhere approaching generational).

The next time the bears are in position to have an actual rebuild where you build a solid team, they’re going to want their shiny new toy. They don’t think that the teams they watch with excellent QB play got there by hiring front office people who onow something others don’t. They don’t think it’s about getting value at QB. They think it’s about throwing as many prime assets as they can at the QB position.

And if you’re haugh, who talked about Williams like he was John way… do you really get to be the authority on this stuff the next time around?

I never really feel like I’m talking to people who thought that all of the previous guys were what they ended up being but now they really like Williams. Maybe trubisky, but that’s it. They thought jay cutler was what they think Williams is… well, what they’re grasping into him hopefully being.
Based ALL that on a rookie season.
 

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I think the old rule of wait three years first applies to Caleb/Jayden.

Two head coaches, three coordinators, a shitty offensive line. That said, he’s only a couple of TDs behind Jayden and has half as many turnovers. And…if it wasn’t for his stupid head coach and GM, they’d be fighting for a wildcard spot. Caleb has brought them back three different times at least to only be short changed by his coach.

In short, we need to let this debate breathe. I am still convinced that Daniel’s will get his skinny ass broken in pieces eventually. I hope it doesn’t happen for what it’s worth!
Nope, it’s already been decided by Hoodey and David Haugh.
 

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This seems waaaaay too premature. To label Caleb and Jayden one way or the other after one year is laughable at best. Did Caleb live up to the hype to start? Not even close. Does that mean he can't develop and be a top 10 QB by year 3. Absolutely not.

These are just prisoner of the moment times. Imagine looking at Josh Allen's rookie year (52.8% completion, 10 TDs 12 ints) and immediately prognosticating his future based on that. Hell, Allen had a measly QBR of 49 his first 2 years and only 58.8% completion in his second year. Too many examples like this of early struggles with great QBs. Caleb could go either way. We shall see.
 

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This fanbase doesn’t deserve a great QB. Jesus. After years of watching guys like Trubisky, Rex, Orton, etc, get trotted out there, the team finally has a QB that has all the tools needed to be great.

Has he been perfect? No. Have his circumstances? No. But that’s how it is. He’s had it better than some rookie QBs and worse than others. I still think he has more talent and a higher ceiling than any other QB in this last draft. Maybe not.

But to say with such certainty how any of these rookie QBs will turn out after 15 games is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
 

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TLDR. Looks like whiney dipshits still being mad about upgrading the qb position though from the initial response
No questioning picks allowed!

4-11 and by far the worst starting QB through 3 Quarters in the NFL. The dude has a lot to work on to get close to average - when the game is well out of hand he's been great though!
 

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