David Haugh this morning

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Oh no. They are very much using Daniels' performance as a slam that the bears got the wrong guy. They tried first with Maye, then Nix, then whomever else is playing well. Give another week and it'll be Penix.

But there those who are expecting Daniels to get figured out or have a Stroud type second year. This doesn't need to happen in order for CW to have been the correct draft choice.

And I don't think it will happen to Daniels. Sometimes these players are good. He might be one of those. A lot of it depends on the team you went to and how they are constructed. One way to do it is to hire his OC away to be a HC on another team, for example. But barring something major from happen, this kid is going to be great.

I think this draft will produce a great qb class. It's early, but it's looking like it.

Oh I completely agree. Williams controls his own destiny. Bears need to do a better job to allow him to succeed. I think he can become the better NFL QB.

He very well could. But so many people like like Daniels is perfect. He’s made a lot of mistakes and has gotten lucky on numerous occasions just like Williams. The difference is Daniels is on a team who is competing. So those mistakes aren’t looked at as widely. I personally think Daniels numbers would be worse than Williams if he were playing for the Bears

 

[Hoodey]

Are you SERIOUSLY calling Caleb Williams....Kyle Orton???

No. Reread what I said. I was responding to a post that hyped Williams and went through QBs that are supposedly so bad that you should think Williams is great because you had to watch them.

I had my Williams take.

Separately I noted that Orton was good value for a 4th round pick. I’ve never got why people have gotten so upset about him. If he was a first rounder sure, but in the 4th?

 

[Hoodey]

I agree with you. I lean more towards Caleb being a bust over "generational". Anticipatory throws and great accuracy are an absolute necessity and critical to success, so unless that improves, I have major reservations. It's just too early to give up on someone and deem them as a static product that can't improve immensely.

Even if you, me, or someone in the bears organization is 99% certain Caleb won't be a good QB, the kid deserves 2 to 3 years, like every other high picked QB before him.

By no means am I saying get rid of him now. He’s here. You can’t. Just ripping the people who just knew that this kid was John elway. If he ends up being elway I’ll be the first to congratulate them

 

[nc0gnet0]

Funny how none of the ones saying you can't judge Caleb yet, were quick to call Bryce Young a bust in his first year.
What top 5 rookie Qb has had the amount of talent assembled around him in his first year that Caleb does?

 

[RPMcMurphy47]

By no means am I saying get rid of him now. He’s here. You can’t. Just ripping the people who just knew that this kid was John elway. If he ends up being elway I’ll be the first to congratulate them

Yep. And there's no reason not to be a little hopeful with his immense talent. There is a lot of space between his potential. I could see him flaming out or being a pretty awesome ride for a decade plus as a bears fan. (No pun intended)

 

[jsu34]

Fumy how none of the ones saying you can't judge Caleb yet, were quick to call Bryce Young a bust in his first year.
What top 5 rookie Qb has had the amount of talent assembled around him in his first year that Caleb does?

Well, those folks were dumb.

But here they tend to look at a bad team and point the blame at the QB.

Bryce Young came into a dumpster fire. They traded everything away then drafted him. Then the owner gets impatient and fires the coaching staff during the season. So like Caleb he went through not only 2 coordinators, but a new coaching staff. He looks like he's going to be ok now.
But I find it amazing this happens so much where a team is complete trash but it's all on the qb.

 

[Rise]

The relentless negativity is just insane! You would think he was putting up Justin Fields type numbers with the way he gets talked about. Oh I forgot it’s all garbage time, give me a break.

When Caleb makes another leap next year and Daniels is the same or worse than this year I don’t want to hear shit from these idiots.

 

[Moses Moreno]

The regression has absolutely nothing to do with trading Fields and drafting Caleb. I was and am a big fan of Fields. He played his HS ball close to where I live so I knew about him probably years before you first heard of him. Insane athlete. But he’s not in the same realm as Caleb when we’re talking about QB potential.

The regression is occurring (it should be obvious) due to the structural mess that is this team. It’s also partly why Fields struggled here. But he wouldn’t come close to getting these same stats this year. And the record would probably be worse.

Fire Poles. Hire Agnew and Johnson. Start recognizing and drafting impact players in the draft. Caleb will be just fine, and so will the team.

This is the way.

Caleb's the worst starting QB in the NFL from quarters 1-3. His poor performance in those quarters very much so has to do with the poor record.

I literally don't give a **** about Caleb's total stats - they're empty calories until this team starts winning. Poles didn't do his due diligence - no Maye or Daniels in for top 30 visits and now we sit here with Daniels in talks for the MVP and Maye looks pretty freaking good.

The fanbase and media are doing the exact same thing with Johnson now. They're anointing him as we speak without asking how he's going to be able to bring the Lions culture, OL and the QB who previously made it to the Super Bowl with him?

 

[jsu34]

The relentless negativity is just insane! You would think he was putting up Justin Fields type numbers with the way he gets talked about. Oh I forgot it’s all garbage time, give me a break.

When Caleb makes another leap next year and Daniels is the same or worse than this year I don’t want to hear shit from these idiots.

You got it right, but this isn't about what happens with Daniels.

I expect them both to be good players in the league for years to come. I see nothing in Daniels to suggest he'll suddenly decline.

Caleb is playing in a dumpster pit and putting up his numbers. Clean the dumpster pit and we might finally have our franchise QB.

 

[playthrough2001]

Fumy how none of the ones saying you can't judge Caleb yet, were quick to call Bryce Young a bust in his first year.
What top 5 rookie Qb has had the amount of talent assembled around him in his first year that Caleb does?

Carson Wentz
Jared Goff

Just for starters…

 

[Moses Moreno]

The relentless negativity is just insane! You would think he was putting up Justin Fields type numbers with the way he gets talked about. Oh I forgot it’s all garbage time, give me a break.

When Caleb makes another leap next year and Daniels is the same or worse than this year I don’t want to hear shit from these idiots.

The team is 4-11 and about to close out the season on an eleven game losing streak.

I hope they find the right coach and get Caleb back to the player he was in 2022 - he was extremely special then and the Bears will win a lot of games. Sorry if some of the fanbase wants solid, tangible results from the first overall pick. The kid was sold as a transcendent talent.

 

[Rise]

You got it right, but this isn't about what happens with Daniels.

I expect them both to be good players in the league for years to come. I see nothing in Daniels to suggest he'll suddenly decline.

Caleb is playing is a dumpster pit and putting up his numbers. Clean the dumpster pit and we might finally have our franchise QB.

You’re right it isn’t about Daniels but this relentless attack by media and fans have made it this way.

Daniels isn’t going to forget how to play he will always have the deep ball, but right now the plays he is running are working, I want to see how he plays when everything is crumbling around him.

Also couldn’t it be argued he dominated the eagles in garbage time? They just so happened to get an extra possession and won after he tossed his 2nd horrible pick.

It’s just simple minded analysis. “It’s wins and losses define the qb” or “it’s all on the qb” are just wrong.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Caleb's the worst starting QB in the NFL from quarters 1-3. His poor performance in those quarters very much so has to do with the poor record.

I literally don't give a **** about Caleb's total stats - they're empty calories until this team starts winning. Poles didn't do his due diligence - no Maye or Daniels in for top 30 visits and now we sit here with Daniels in talks for the MVP and Maye looks pretty freaking good.

The fanbase and media are doing the exact same thing with Johnson now. They're anointing him as we speak without asking how he's going to be able to bring the Lions culture, OL and the QB who previously made it to the Super Bowl with him?

See, I reject YOUR assessment because its 100% fatalism. That's not going to solve things either. I'm NOT saying the Bears will get it right, but if you are going to be a fatalist, why watch football, or at least, why be a fan of this team?

Caleb has rough numbers in quarters 1-3, and yet is STILL only 100 yards and 3 touchdowns behind Daniels.

Literally 100 yards and 3 TDs behind the favorite for ROY, with figuratively one hand tied behind his back and one eye closed.

Yet you won't consider his stats because "empty calories" - I call bullshit. You won't accept his stats because the season sucks and like a lazy Bears fan you always default to blaming the quarterback for everything.

Williams isn't a finished product. But what he has been able to do behind bad coaches and a bad line in a bad scheme during a lost season in and of itself is INCREDIBLE to people who actually know what the **** they are looking at.

Ben Johnson as the savior? Hardly. If Caleb can put up these numbers behind dogshit, all Johnson needs to be is AVERAGE and Caleb is going to go OFF next year (so long as they also fix the line).

Fans need to stop being lazy and stop letting the media lead them by the nose. Want to be mad at only one person about the season? Be mad at Poles.

 

[jsu34]

You’re right it isn’t about Daniels but this relentless attack by media and fans have made it this way.

Daniels isn’t going to forget how to play he will always have the deep ball, but right now the plays he is running are working, I want to see how he plays when everything is crumbling around him.

Also couldn’t it be argued he dominated the eagles in garbage time? They just so happened to get an extra possession and won after he tossed his 2nd horrible pick.

It’s just simple minded analysis. “It’s wins and losses define the qb” or “it’s all on the qb” are just wrong.

Yep, that's what seems to always happen. If a team wins, the qb gets the credit. When they lose he gets the blame.

My point is Daniels has a ton of playing time from college. He simply has more reps and it is showing. His team is being built by professional NFL caliber people, so there's no point to seeing how he handles certain downturns yet. A good GM-HC-OC-QB coach chain should be able to coach a young QB so that when things fall apart they can handle it. We have none of that in Chicago. NONE. They have Kingsbury in Washington, the very guy who was with Caleb just last season at USC. Not sure how Poles could blow that so terribly. He shouldn't be involved in picking the next HC because of it.

You are 100% about Daniels against the eagles. But I don't believe in garbage time. Players are getting paid. Some millions. They should be giving maximum effort. The first guy to play according to the score and start half-assing because the other team is ahead should be sent out on the next thing smoking.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Carson Wentz
Jared Goff

Just for starters…

What are you talking about?

 

[ijustposthere]

David Haugh is a cuck

 

[msadows]

David Haugh is a brainless media guy, why do I care what he says.

Also, i didnt read what OP posted, so clearly I dont care what he says.

Just because these guys are "journalists" that doesnt mean they are any less football stupid

 

[bearsfan1977]

Caleb's the worst starting QB in the NFL from quarters 1-3. His poor performance in those quarters very much so has to do with the poor record.

I literally don't give a **** about Caleb's total stats - they're empty calories until this team starts winning. Poles didn't do his due diligence - no Maye or Daniels in for top 30 visits and now we sit here with Daniels in talks for the MVP and Maye looks pretty freaking good.

The fanbase and media are doing the exact same thing with Johnson now. They're anointing him as we speak without asking how he's going to be able to bring the Lions culture, OL and the QB who previously made it to the Super Bowl with him?

Waldron may have been the worst OC I have ever seen. So bad that he was fired mid season in the first year of his contract. Without researching, I don’t know if that has ever happened.

You are deluding yourself if you think Maye or Daniels could have had any better success. That’s not taking anything away from them. This is just my opinion that Williams is the more superior QB prospect. I could be wrong. But I’m sure as hell not going to make a conclusion based off their rookie season alone.

I’m not annointing Johnson. I’d be fine with Vrabel, as well. But it’s interesting that you note OL, culture, etc and how important it would be to his success, but you don’t apply those things as important for Caleb’s success.

 

[TL1961]

Williams is 33rd in average and 36th in completion percentage. Manning was 21st and 20th respectively. So he was make like average to mediocre. Williams sucks at these. The next season manning was 4th and 2nd. So this whole “just like Peyton manning” nonsense isn’t going to age well.

Now do interceptions

 

[msadows]

Waldron may have been the worst OC I have ever seen. So bad that he was fired mid season in the first year of his contract. Without researching, I don’t know if that has ever happened.

You are deluding yourself if you think Maye or Daniels could have had any better success. That’s not taking anything away from them. This is just my opinion that Williams is the more superior QB prospect. I could be wrong. But I’m sure as hell not going to make a conclusion based off their rookie season alone.

I’m not annointing Johnson. I’d be fine with Vrabel, as well. But it’s interesting that you note OL, culture, etc and how important it would be to his success, but you don’t apply those things as important for Caleb’s success.

I keep hearing people mentioning no other QB was brought in for a visit.

If any other of these teams had the #1 pick theyd also have taken caleb and not even thought about another QB.

Will he end up the best QB in the draft? Long time before that is determined, but he was 100% the #1 pick no matter who had the rights to it.