David Haugh this morning

[Hoodey]

TLDR. Looks like whiney dipshits still being mad about upgrading the qb position though from the initial response

Biggest defender now says Williams not jayden Daniels great, but not bad. I never thought he was bad, but everyone said generational. “Not bad” isn’t what you use the number one pick on. If that ends up being the case will the pushy QB first bears fans finally learn their lesson?

I can make it into a haiku or start using this type of stuff to illustrate it so that even you can understand?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

This fanbase doesn’t deserve a great QB. Jesus. After years of watching guys like Trubisky, Rex, Orton, etc, get trotted out there, the team finally has a QB that has all the tools needed to be great.

Has he been perfect? No. Have his circumstances? No. But that’s how it is. He’s had it better than some rookie QBs and worse than others. I still think he has more talent and a higher ceiling than any other QB in this last draft. Maybe not.

But to say with such certainty how any of these rookie QBs will turn out after 15 games is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.

He could have the best bears qb season ever (low bar but it's his f*cking rookie year) and if the Bears get a real coach and improve the OL he could easily take a step forward next year. Imagine not being excited about a bears qb taking a step from 3800 yards and 25 tds.

Obviously the wins need to come as well, but that's where hitting on gm and coach matters.

 

[jsu34]

I think Jayden Daniels will be a star in this league. He will not slump and fall away. He won't get something broken. He will continue to have good seasons for the forseeable future.

That said. Pump the brakes, people. Stop with the comparisons and debates. Daniels is doing none of what he is doing in Chicago this season.
Stop. It. Please.

I remember the angry mob here killing Fields for not having 300 yd games, yet Williams has yet another. What do they say? Garbage time, which inexplicably, begins in the 1st quarter these days.

The fact that Williams is doing anything considering the smouldering dumpster fire is a testament to his ability.

However, Caleb is still doing some things to hold himself back. His deep ball is irratic and inaccurate. He sometimes holds the ball too long. He refuses to take the underneath passes, instead looking for the kill shot. He is late to get out when things break down.

Despite of all of his own mistakes Caleb has managed throw for 3200+ yards and is threatening the pass attempts without an int record.

Fans here say it's empty calories.

This team is a garbage pitt. A smouldering shit-stained dumpster fire. Yet the rookie, I said ROOKIE, is doing this anyway. And he's doing it despite being sacked 60 times.

They'll try to explain it away as garbage time, which apparently starts in preseason in Chicago, I guess.

The whole debate is dumb and pointless.

Jayden Daniels isn't going to suddenly forget how to play football and fall of the face of the earth. He IS good and will continue to be good.

Caleb Williams deserved the 1st pick. The result we have so far is because of the dumpster fire, which he himself is a contributer at times, but don't forget 3200 yds, 19 TD 5 picks, despite said dumpster fire.

Wake up, folks. This problem is bigger than the QB.

They might have gotten the guy after all.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Question picks all you want. Poles has a lot of bad ones and should be fired. You've been crying about Caleb since last January though

Look at who you are talking to. That explains it all

 

[Bears4Ever_34]

As someone has already mentioned, Peyton Manning and John Elway were labeled as generational and both sucked their rookie seasons.

Can we stop with this until the kid gets a couple seasons under his belt? This conversation makes me want to kill myself.

 

[discplayer]

Gotta ask, how might Williams have looked if drafted by Washington and Daniels by the Bears?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I'd like to point out that from 2011 to 2015, David Haugh was routinely bitching that the plan the Cubs had for rebuilding the team was bullshit, that they needed to overspend like the Dodgers and Yankees and "prove" they are a big market team...

...the Cubs then won the World Series in 2016 sticking to the plan David Haugh hated.

If David Haugh's opinion is your barometer... you might want to find someone smarter to hitch your wagon to.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I think Jayden Daniels will be a star in this league. He will not slump and fall away. He won't get something broken. He will continue to have good seasons for the forseeable future.

That said. Pump the brakes, people. Stop with the comparisons and debates. Daniels is doing none of what he is doing in Chicago this season.
Stop. It. Please.

I remember the angry mob here killing Fields for not having 300 yd games, yet Williams has yet another. What do they say? Garbage time, which inexplicably, begins in the 1st quarter these days.

The fact that Williams is doing anything considering the smouldering dumpster fire is a testament to his ability.

However, Caleb is still doing some things to hold himself back. His deep ball is irratic and inaccurate. He sometimes holds the ball too long. He refuses to take the underneath passes, instead looking for the kill shot. He is late to get out when things break down.

Despite of all of his own mistakes Caleb has managed throw for 3200+ yards and is threatening the pass attempts without an int record.

Fans here say it's empty calories.

This team is a garbage pitt. A smouldering shit-stained dumpster fire. Yet the rookie, I said ROOKIE, is doing this anyway. And he's doing it despite being sacked 60 times.

They'll try to explain it away as garbage time, which apparently starts in preseason in Chicago, I guess.

The whole debate is dumb and pointless.

Jayden Daniels isn't going to suddenly forget how to play football and fall of the face of the earth. He IS good and will continue to be good.

Caleb Williams deserved the 1st pick. The result we have so far is because of the dumpster fire, which he himself is a contributer at times, but don't forget 3200 yds, 19 TD 5 picks, despite said dumpster fire.

Wake up, folks. This problem is bigger than the QB.

They might have gotten the guy after all.

No one is saying that. However people are saying Daniels might get figured out in the near future. Just like what happened to Stroud this season. I think Daniels has been solid but people act like he’s been perfect and that isn’t the case.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

As someone has already mentioned, Peyton Manning and John Elway were labeled as generational and both sucked their rookie seasons.

Can we stop with this until the kid gets a couple seasons under his belt? This conversation makes me want to kill myself.

The hilarity of it all is the stats of Daniels and Caleb are VERY close over all - the only difference is Daniels was on a team with better coaches who brought him along via "paint by numbers" offense cutting the field in half for him, and Caleb had the whole shebang thrown at him while playing behind an inferior O-line, with an inferior scheme, behind inferior coaches, on a bad team.

All that against him, and the numbers are STILL that close to each other?

People need to stop being prisoners of the moment, and stop letting other people do their thinking for them.

Caleb, if paired with the right staff this offseason and if they get the O-line straightened out, is going to be GREAT.

Daniels is heading for a CJ Stroud slump year - yeah, remember him? Same people saying the Bears should have grabbed Daniels said they should have grabbed Stroud last year. How's Stroud doing now?

People are idiots.

 

[baselman1974]

As someone has already mentioned, Peyton Manning and John Elway were labeled as generational and both sucked their rookie seasons.

Can we stop with this until the kid gets a couple seasons under his belt? This conversation makes me want to kill myself.

Plus seeing inept coaching and Oline, some fans want to call Caleb a bust already. 3271 yards 19 TDs 5 Ints in 15 games for a Bears rookie QB is laughable think he is a bust. Is he perfect? Nope, but he has talent and is improving. I was a Fields Stan, but I don't think Fields would've put up these passing numbers in same situation. Fields will probably have 5 rushing TDs and 600-700 yards rushing. But with this Oline, Fields will struggle passing the ball.

 

[jsu34]

No one is saying that. However people are saying Daniels might get figured out in the near future. Just like what happened to Stroud this season. I think Daniels has been solid but people act like he’s been perfect and that isn’t the case.

Oh no. They are very much using Daniels' performance as a slam that the bears got the wrong guy. They tried first with Maye, then Nix, then whomever else is playing well. Give another week and it'll be Penix.

But there those who are expecting Daniels to get figured out or have a Stroud type second year. This doesn't need to happen in order for CW to have been the correct draft choice.

And I don't think it will happen to Daniels. Sometimes these players are good. He might be one of those. A lot of it depends on the team you went to and how they are constructed. One way to do it is to hire his OC away to be a HC on another team, for example. But barring something major from happen, this kid is going to be great.

I think this draft will produce a great qb class. It's early, but it's looking like it.

 

[Hoodey]

John Elway and Peyton Manning sucked in their first year. Give Williams time with better coaching and Oline. After 2nd year we see same shit, then go off.

Williams is 33rd in average and 36th in completion percentage. Manning was 21st and 20th respectively. So he was make like average to mediocre. Williams sucks at these. The next season manning was 4th and 2nd. So this whole “just like Peyton manning” nonsense isn’t going to age well.

 

[Hoodey]

This thread could be titled “I listened to a dumb **** this morning and believed him!”

Haugh has been Williams biggest cheerleader

 

[Hoodey]

This seems waaaaay too premature. To label Caleb and Jayden one way or the other after one year is laughable at best. Did Caleb live up to the hype to start? Not even close. Does that mean he can't develop and be a top 10 QB by year 3. Absolutely not.

These are just prisoner of the moment times. Imagine looking at Josh Allen's rookie year (52.8% completion, 10 TDs 12 ints) and immediately prognosticating his future based on that. Hell, Allen had a measly QBR of 49 his first 2 years and only 58.8% completion in his second year. Too many examples like this of early struggles with great QBs. Caleb could go either way. We shall see.

I don’t know that Jayden will be great. My only prediction on him was “hey he did it against SEC athletes instead of looking awful against Notre dame, so maybe.”

I am predicting Williams will never be generational. The skill is in saying that now.. not in two years when his stans will say “sure, easy to say that now.”

Remember that someone was saying that then.

And if I’m wrong I’ll be the first to give props to those who end up being right

 

[playthrough2001]

Haugh has been Williams biggest cheerleader

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[Moses Moreno]

Question picks all you want. Poles has a lot of bad ones and should be fired. You've been crying about Caleb since last January though

I was pretty certain that the Bears would regress if they picked him and let go of Justin - they did.

Now we're onto putting hype onto Ben Johnson to come here and fix shit. I personally want to be wrong - but 4-11 and stat padding when they're down 2+ scores week after week isn't enough.

 

[Hoodey]

This fanbase doesn’t deserve a great QB. Jesus. After years of watching guys like Trubisky, Rex, Orton, etc, get trotted out there, the team finally has a QB that has all the tools needed to be great.

Has he been perfect? No. Have his circumstances? No. But that’s how it is. He’s had it better than some rookie QBs and worse than others. I still think he has more talent and a higher ceiling than any other QB in this last draft. Maybe not.

But to say with such certainty how any of these rookie QBs will turn out after 15 games is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.

No he doesn’t. He has some of them. Extremely effective in no pressure situations where receivers get inordinate separation. Tough kid. Capable of some throws that make you say ooo and ahh. He can move and he is cool in high pressure situations.

He’s comically inaccurate deep and holds the ball way too long. This has always been his MO. Held it too long early in college and late.

He has mid first to mid second round tools overall.

Orton was the last time they got value at QB. Had he started the Super Bowl, he would not have precluded the defense and Hester from bringing it home.

If Williams had the same overall set of tools but poles had gotten him with the 22nd pick I’d be all for it. The bears rival has done so many times in my life.

 

[RPMcMurphy47]

I don’t know that Jayden will be great. My only prediction on him was “hey he did it against SEC athletes instead of looking awful against Notre dame, so maybe.”

I am predicting Williams will never be generational. The skill is in saying that now.. not in two years when his stans will say “sure, easy to say that now.”

Remember that someone was saying that then.

And if I’m wrong I’ll be the first to give props to those who end up being right

I agree with you. I lean more towards Caleb being a bust over "generational". Anticipatory throws and great accuracy are an absolute necessity and critical to success, so unless that improves, I have major reservations. It's just too early to give up on someone and deem them as a static product that can't improve immensely.

Even if you, me, or someone in the bears organization is 99% certain Caleb won't be a good QB, the kid deserves 2 to 3 years, like every other high picked QB before him.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

No he doesn’t. He has some of them. Extremely effective in no pressure situations where receivers get inordinate separation. Tough kid. Capable of some throws that make you say ooo and ahh. He can move and he is cool in high pressure situations.

He’s comically inaccurate deep and holds the ball way too long. This has always been his MO. Held it too long early in college and late.

He has mid first to mid second round tools overall.

Orton was the last time they got value at QB. Had he started the Super Bowl, he would not have precluded the defense and Hester from bringing it home.

If Williams had the same overall set of tools but poles had gotten him with the 22nd pick I’d be all for it. The bears rival has done so many times in my life.

Are you SERIOUSLY calling Caleb Williams....Kyle Orton???

 

[bearsfan1977]

I was pretty certain that the Bears would regress if they picked him and let go of Justin - they did.

Now we're onto putting hype onto Ben Johnson to come here and fix shit. I personally want to be wrong - but 4-11 and stat padding when they're down 2+ scores week after week isn't enough.

The regression has absolutely nothing to do with trading Fields and drafting Caleb. I was and am a big fan of Fields. He played his HS ball close to where I live so I knew about him probably years before you first heard of him. Insane athlete. But he’s not in the same realm as Caleb when we’re talking about QB potential.

The regression is occurring (it should be obvious) due to the structural mess that is this team. It’s also partly why Fields struggled here. But he wouldn’t come close to getting these same stats this year. And the record would probably be worse.

Fire Poles. Hire Agnew and Johnson. Start recognizing and drafting impact players in the draft. Caleb will be just fine, and so will the team.

This is the way.