David Haugh this morning

[msadows]

The explosive plays are an issue, for sure, but thats easily correctable since it wasnt an issue in college for caleb.

I'd be more concerned that bo nix is throwing INT's directly to linebackers and not seeing them 10 yards down the field. Caleb has already mastered the short game and reading/manipulating defenses.

If calebs floor is 3600 yards and 20+ TD's as a rookie with no deep ball and eating sacks imagine how good he will be if he actually hits those layups?

Dumb debate again, this isnt in a vacuum. You cant compare the QB situations where daniels is throwing a screen for 30 yards. That has rarely happened for caleb this year because the scheme is trash and has been from day 1.

 

[Hoodey]

Quite the rant for someone that's not a part of any group. Didn't post about the Bear for years and now have perfect hindsight. Everyone would have welcomed Johnson as HC this past year, etc. No one is taking those strawman positions. Most of us just cross our fingers and hope this stupid franchise did something right by happenstance. LOL

If I say any 'generational' draft choice won't become generational, I'll be right most of the time and honestly, I could give a shit if he's the top QB in the league 3 years from now. I'll take VG and good enough to take to the Bear to the promised land with a supporting cast. That you're harping on generational says a lot. That's called a ceiling he clearly doesn't need to reach to be worth the pick.

Now Sir Soothsayer, tell me how you thought that Jared Goff was going to Superbowls with multiple teams at any point in his 1st year's development.

The mccaskeys made me lose interest long ago. The trade before the 2023 draft made me believe that even they couldn’t screw it up on this rebuild. I actually followed the team last offseason.

You’re playing the “ohhhh sure, easy to say that now” card. Because yeah, I wasnt here before the draft. You won’t be able to play that card in 3-4 years when people mock the idea that anyone would call this dude a once in a generation talent

 

[msadows]

The mccaskeys made me lose interest long ago. The trade before the 2023 draft made me believe that even they couldn’t screw it up on this rebuild. I actually followed the team last offseason.

You’re playing the “ohhhh sure, easy to say that now” card. Because yeah, I wasnt here before the draft. You won’t be able to play that card in 3-4 years when people mock the idea that anyone would call this dude a once in a generation talent

Clearly not because you're posting on a bears message board at 8am about the chicago bears.

 

[Hoodey]

You cant compare the rookies like that considering its a team sport. Daniels is in a far superior situation with great coaching. Bo Nix has one of the best QB gurus in history.

Caleb is basically being coached by keenan allen and his stats are essentially the same as both of those guys. The scheme is god awful and there is no spacing in the concepts. Every analyst has gotten into this, even the live broadcasts have.

I think you are just blind, and have an agenda. If you put all their throws side by side its clear who has the most physical arm talent, and its not even close.

There is no situation that makes it so that one QB is 12th and 5th and another, who is supposed to be so much better that he’s a once in a generation talent is in the mid 30s in both and going into the Green Bay game was the worst QB on throws over 15 yards in 15 years

 

[msadows]

And yes, caleb is as close to generational as we've seen this century w/ Luck.

If you need proof this kid is special look no further than his first game ever in college:

Dude essentially doubled bo nix's and jayden daniels college production that year with the highest yards/attempt in CFB AS A FRESHMAN.

There is a reason he was the consensus #1 overall pick and it wasnt even close. Every team would have drafted him who had a need at QB. I do not fault him for being drafted to the bears, that does not change the talent he had.

 

[msadows]

There is no situation that makes it so that one QB is 12th and 5th and another, who is supposed to be so much better that he’s a once in a generation talent is in the mid 30s in both and going into the Green Bay game was the worst QB on throws over 15 yards in 15 years

If this was true peyton manning would be a bust instead of one of the greatest ever.

Keep thinking 14 games define a career.

 

[Bearly]

Daniels was the superior player in 2023 and Maye had been seen as 1b for a hot minute.

Not bringing either in for a top 30 visit is inexcusable GMing. The Jags (the fucking Jags) took in TL, Fields and Wilson all in for top 30 visits. You simply put can't not look at the other dudes, this wasn't this kind of draft to overlook Maye and Daniels.

They had the 1st pick and their guy. It was fine. Doesn't mean they got it right but those visits wouldn't have changed a thing. Caleb was their pick from his on field play and he never took one wrong step leading up to the draft.

Washington didn't have CW come in for a visit. It wasn't because they thought he sucked.

 

[msadows]

They had the 1st pick and their guy. It was fine. Doesn't mean they got it right but those visits wouldn't have changed a thing. Caleb was their pick from his on field play and he never took one wrong step leading up to the draft.

Washington didn't have CW come in for a visit. It wasn't because they thought he sucked.

I wonder what caleb would have done playing behind 2 first round tackles and with 2 first round wr's.

Dumb as **** idea too. Calebs main target was jerry's son who isnt very good.

 

[Hoodey]

If this was true peyton manning would be a bust instead of one of the greatest ever.

Keep thinking 14 games define a career.

Peyton manning was 21st and 20th. That’s slightly below average for a starter. Mid 30s ranks you as one of the worst starters in the league and with backups.

In year two manning was 4th and 2nd. This Peyton manning stuff isn’t going to work out like you think it is

By the way I’ve had a handful of people bring manning to me in person. None of them could name the receivers he had as a rookie besides Harrison. Not without looking

 

[Hoodey]

I wonder what caleb would have done playing behind 2 first round tackles and with 2 first round wr's.

Dumb as **** idea too. Calebs main target was jerry's son who isnt very good.

I was hoping the Caleb hype was a smoke screen

Wright is a good tackle to me when healthy. The bears could have drafted Bo nix and olu fashanu, had Allen and Moore as receivers and had maybe two extra first and and extra second over the next three years.

 

[Bearly]

The mccaskeys made me lose interest long ago. The trade before the 2023 draft made me believe that even they couldn’t screw it up on this rebuild. I actually followed the team last offseason.

You’re playing the “ohhhh sure, easy to say that now” card. Because yeah, I wasnt here before the draft. You won’t be able to play that card in 3-4 years when people mock the idea that anyone would call this dude a once in a generation talent

With that perfect hindsight of yours, you gave Denver as an example of what to do. Did you forget that they gave up 3 #1s and shitload of money for the current Steelers QB? I guess that Sean Payton could learn a thing or 2 from you.​

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My mock offseason

The bears traded down for Nix and got an absolute haul because Williams was overvalued by most people. They took Fashanu with the 9th pick. If you are a big college football fan, neither of these are some big leap.

the bears probably have 2 more wins with nix, less spectacular plays but gets the ball out faster. Williams still holds the ball too long so the broncos are probably 6-7 right now. So you’ve got two top 15 or so picks.

Then, the mccaskeys have this thing with coaches. Ever since Ditka, they need someone who fits in with the family first and if they can coach, that’s fine too. For everyone complaining about Eberflus, that’s the problem. The mccaskeys don’t want anyone as good as Ditka embarrassing them publicly like Ditka used to. So in my ideal offseason they either get over that or sell the team and the bears don’t hire a coach that makes you say “who??” Plenty of good coaches want this job. Just not that family

Excuse the above bold. It won't cancel for some reason,

My biggest concerns about CW are passing up on easy throws and intermittent accuracy issues. I suspect both will be corrected. This staff screwed him with the lack of protection and how large a playbook/ complex reads they gave him. Looks like he's survived and it will be interesting to see what happens after an offseason of NFL training and coaching changes.

 

[msadows]

I was hoping the Caleb hype was a smoke screen

Wright is a good tackle to me when healthy. The bears could have drafted Bo nix and olu fashanu, had Allen and Moore as receivers and had maybe two extra first and and extra second over the next three years.

Bo nix is trash, give it up.

HE has 11 int's playing with a good oline and with a great coach/scheme.

He'd be leading the league in INT's playing for the bears and be benched by now.

 

[msadows]

Imagine thinking bo nix is the guy.

I get jayden, bo nix isnt even the 3rd best qb thus far this year. Stats aside drake maye has been WAY more impressive than nix.

I bet this dude loved mac jones too

 

[Probie2429]

Caleb isn’t even in the top 10 of the problems on this team at the moment. If he could just clean up those misses on wide open receivers he’d have probably 4-5 more TDs.

 

[DaaBears]

Rex Grossman's first game in my mind was against Atlanta and he was throwing bombs and lasers all over the place. I was very hyped up.

I was at that game. Night game, negative 19 degrees with wind chill at kickoff. Orton could do nothing in first half, and Urlacher shut down Vick. Grossman came in. Complete, complete, complete. I think I high fived 100 people at stadium I never met. Happiest person in the country.

 

[Hoodey]

Bo nix is trash, give it up.

HE has 11 int's playing with a good oline and with a great coach/scheme.

He'd be leading the league in INT's playing for the bears and be benched by now.

Bo nix is trash, give it up.

HE has 11 int's playing with a good oline and with a great coach/scheme.

He'd be leading the league in INT's playing for the bears and be benched by now.

He’s 21st in completion percentage. Not mid 30s like Williams.

And I didn’t say take Nix number 1. Its

Caleb Williams

Vs

Bo Nix
1-2 additional first rounders
1-2 additional second rounders

Neither is particularly great to me, but Washington had Daniels graded #1, so they weren’t trading out of that spot.

And again, if you had front office people with a competitive advantage picking QBs a la Ron wolf, you could have traded down for multiple different NON QBs and picks.

But the bears don’t hire front office people like that

 

[playthrough2001]

These are the types of plays fans should consider when they want to determine what Caleb can become. By the way, he called an audible to that play. Great route by Allen too…

The clean pocket doesn’t hurt either.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1870915332212465869

 

[Moses Moreno]

Poles would have wasted those picks anyway a new coach and GM may be able to still fix this mess and actually come away with a decent draft including a starting o linemen

They're gunna hire Johnson and keep Poles and it's going to go how you know it's going to go.

Hype all off-season and come December the pitchforks will be out for Poles. This shit is about as predictable as it gets.

The biggest issue with Poles is his complete inability to do his due diligence. Eberflus was hired two days after he was hired? Terrible. Locked in on Caleb - cool but so much so that you don't even look at Maye/Daniels? Terrible. Locked in on Ben Johnson? Cool, but they're not even going to think about Joe Brady.

Whatever this ******'s process is - it's terrible.

 

[discplayer]

Caleb will be fine with better coaching and protection. The deep bowl is concerning though..

And it was believed that Daniel’s deep ball was the best in the class (and it’s sure looking that way), but Caleb’s was solid, too, just not as sweet as Jayden’s. But I ask you, how can you have consistent deep ball success when you’ve got poor protection AND Keenan Allen is the target the OC is sending downfield, and at a glacial pace?!

 

[KittiesKorner]

Lol not Flus offense. Its comparison of with Flus and without Flus. Pretty sure you know that.

Btw, the persistent DJ running is post Flus.

nah, waldron was using him like that too, even