David Haugh this morning

[sevvy]

Everyone is so fucking short-sighted. The world we live in today has broken people's fucking brains. No one has any concept of patience, development, etc.

One week Caleb is a bust, the next week he's not. Jesus.

 

[Hoodey]

Now do interceptions

But here’s the thing… yeah, you’re not throwing into. But you’re in the mid 30s in average. You aren’t putting the ball at risk at all no risk no reward. If he was 9th in average with his few ints yeah that would be great. Is that your bar for Mr generational not being generational? He must be bad at everything?

 

[Hoodey]

I truly believe he'd be a better quarterback if he was on a different team. The Bears record of developing young quarterbacks speaks for itself.

I was a bit skeptical of the generational stuff, in part because he had played in the Pac 8, which isn't exactly the SEC. Not that great quarterbacks can't come out of what that conference used to be, it's just that it's easier to look great when you don't routinely have Georgia, Alabama, LSU, etc. on your schedule every year. Caleb was surrounded with talent this season (Moore, Allen, Odunze, Swift), and yet he looked lost at times. Having your HC and OC fired during the season isn't ideal, but at some point you just have to overcome that stuff and ball out.

I think he can be adequate to very good for the Bears. With a better organization with a superior culture, he might have a higher ceiling.

Time will tell, but for right now, meh.

I’m just saying he’s not generational and the bears should have traded down. He didn’t warrant the number one pick.

What you’re talking about is the Dilfer principle. Yes there are teams where Williams could win. Ben Johnson COULD come in here and put in a stacked enough team that Williams could win because a lot of guys could win.

But when you’re in the mid 30s in average and completion percentage it’s not just the problems with the team.

Are there plays where the OL fails and he has defenders on him in 1.5-2 seconds? Of course. The bears build teams like you had the guy who does fries at the local fast food joint built the team. Are there also plays where he has 5 seconds, stands there, misses an open receiver early in his reads and then flat throws a bad pass deep? Also yes.

The guy should have had a mid first to mid second grade from any great front office

 

[Hoodey]

Everyone is so fucking short-sighted. The world we live in today has broken people's fucking brains. No one has any concept of patience, development, etc.

One week Caleb is a bust, the next week he's not. Jesus.

I predicted this about Williams when he was at USC and the bears fans were talking about it. I wanted to trade down for Nix and picks, Daniels and picks (however it appears Washington had the top grade on Daniels not Williams) or even other players like Harrison jr and picks.

If Williams has really good games to close the season I will still think what I think. I didn’t think he was generational and then change my mind 2 weeks ago

 

[Hoodey]

LOL at the JF apologists jumping at every opportunity. What we know is that Fields was likely not going to take a team to championship once facing playoff Ds. I wish him well and hope he helps a team get there at some point.

We won't know if CW is generational or a bust for at least a good chunk of next year and maybe some of year 3. Did you know that Andrew Luck had a 75 rating and 18 INTs in his rookie year? That Mahomes didn't play a meaningful game in his rookie year for a reason?

Is Daniels currently better? Yes. Does it matter long term? Maybe, maybe not. Also, if you thought Daniels was that guy, you're still not trading the 1st pick and just taking him... the same way Carolina would be thrilled to have picked Stroud. You guys are jumping through hoops trying to rationalize reasons to having kept JF. Smarter than every GM that needed a starting QB.

I didn’t think fields was any good either lol.

I’m not part of this either or “hey I have a favorite amongst the guys they picked higher than they should have” group of bears fans.

I want the owners of this team to hire the kind of front office people who could have had a second round pick ready to take over for fields at the end of last year.

No im telling you he’s not generational NOW. Any moron can wait 3 years and say “turns out he wasn’t generational,”. The skill is telling you now. So that in 3 years when people like you say “suuuure, easy to say that now.” Just remember someone was saying it then.

Bo nix isn’t generational either. You could have had him and a boatload of picks.

And if what you’re thinking right now is “well he wouldn’t be good without Sean Payton”… hey…

You think Aidan Oconnell couldn’t have come in here and won four f-ing ball games man? Huh?!

 

[Hoodey]

Poles would have wasted those picks anyway a new coach and GM may be able to still fix this mess and actually come away with a decent draft including a starting o linemen

That doesn’t make the picks bad. That means these Walmart children (just the grandson of a great man) and the mediocre front office people they hire bad…

Getting more top picks is always smart. Being stupid after the fact doesn’t involve those picks.

 

[jsu34]

Everyone is so fucking short-sighted. The world we live in today has broken people's fucking brains. No one has any concept of patience, development, etc.

One week Caleb is a bust, the next week he's not. Jesus.

People are just dumb.

At no point this season was Caleb a bust.
Except for stupid football illiterate bears fans.

 

[Hoodey]

People are just dumb.

At no point this season was Caleb a bust.
Except for stupid football illiterate bears fans.

Depends what you’re predicting. He is not generational, hasn’t been generational and isn’t going to be generational. At the same time, he isn’t Rex grossman either. There’s zero wrong with saying he should have gotten a mid first grade from a smart franchise. There’s nothing wrong with saying said franchise should have capitalized on him being overvalued in a big way.

I wanted Bo Nix (and a handful of other players) AND picks before the draft, now and if Nix ends up being really good I’ll be lamenting it then. You probably could have swapped picks and gotten an additional first MAYBE TWO and a second.

 

[msadows]

Depends what you’re predicting. He is not generational, hasn’t been generational and isn’t going to be generational. At the same time, he isn’t Rex grossman either. There’s zero wrong with saying he should have gotten a mid first grade from a smart franchise. There’s nothing wrong with saying said franchise should have capitalized on him being overvalued in a big way.

I wanted Bo Nix (and a handful of other players) AND picks before the draft, now and if Nix ends up being really good I’ll be lamenting it then. You probably could have swapped picks and gotten an additional first MAYBE TWO and a second.

Thats hard to tell, because the bears situation is as bad as any rookie has had to deal with in recent memory. Sure he has skill players but his scheme, coaching, culture and oline is complete ass.

I'd bet that any of the other QB's if you dropped them into this situation would either be benched by now or on IR due to injury.

Its actually extremely impressive he has performed as well as he has considering the ineptitude of the bears.


Bo nix would not have succeeded here, but keep thinking that. He has 11 interceptions playing with a much better oline and QB friendly scheme.

If caleb was in denver, in that high altitude, with sean payton he would be setting rookie records on the way to a probowl/playoff

 

[Bearly]

I didn’t think fields was any good either lol.

I’m not part of this either or “hey I have a favorite amongst the guys they picked higher than they should have” group of bears fans.

I want the owners of this team to hire the kind of front office people who could have had a second round pick ready to take over for fields at the end of last year.

No im telling you he’s not generational NOW. Any moron can wait 3 years and say “turns out he wasn’t generational,”. The skill is telling you now. So that in 3 years when people like you say “suuuure, easy to say that now.” Just remember someone was saying it then.

Bo nix isn’t generational either. You could have had him and a boatload of picks.

And if what you’re thinking right now is “well he wouldn’t be good without Sean Payton”… hey…

You think Aidan Oconnell couldn’t have come in here and won four f-ing ball games man? Huh?!

Quite the rant for someone that's not a part of any group. Didn't post about the Bear for years and now has perfect hindsight. Everyone would have welcomed Johnson as HC this past year, etc. No one is taking those strawman positions. Most of us just cross our fingers and hope this stupid franchise did something right by happenstance. LOL

If I say any 'generational' draft choice won't become generational, I'll be right most of the time and honestly, I could give a shit if he's the top QB in the league 3 years from now. I'll take VG and good enough to take to the Bear to the promised land with a supporting cast. That you're harping on generational says a lot. That's called a ceiling he clearly doesn't need to reach to be worth the pick.

Now Sir Soothsayer, tell me how you thought that Jared Goff was going to Superbowls with multiple teams at any point during his 1st year's development.

 

[TL1961]

But here’s the thing… yeah, you’re not throwing into. But you’re in the mid 30s in average. You aren’t putting the ball at risk at all no risk no reward. If he was 9th in average with his few ints yeah that would be great. Is that your bar for Mr generational not being generational? He must be bad at everything?

Huh?

 

[msadows]

love how caleb isnt generational now because he didnt elevate a shit team to the playoffs

I guess andrew luck and peyton manning also were bums too and not worth #1.

Caleb is generational because of his arm. He's clearly far and away the most talented passer in this draft class. He makes throws none of those other guys can dream of and only a couple QB's in the nfl currently can. Bo Nix is not making that deandre swift floater down the sideline, or that rome odunze cross body toss in preseason.

Development isnt always linear, and bo nix is 40 years old already. It shouldnt be shocking both him and daniels are better than a 2.5 year starter in college. If a rookie season was all that mattered then Mac Jones would be an MVP right now.

 

[DaaBears]

What is a Flus offense? Using dj Moore as a running back?

Lol not Flus offense. Its comparison of with Flus and without Flus. Pretty sure you know that.

Btw, the persistent DJ running is post Flus.

 

[msadows]

Huh?

I think he's saying caleb's streak isnt impressive because he hasnt made any risky throws, or some shit like that.

He's certainly made plenty of tight window throws, the problem is they are usually when the bears are down double digits.

 

[Nads786]

Everyone is so fucking short-sighted. The world we live in today has broken people's fucking brains. No one has any concept of patience, development, etc.

One week Caleb is a bust, the next week he's not. Jesus.

The best way to test if someone is full of it is to look at their past predictions. If they are consistently wrong - they either suck or put themselves in positions to fail, either way I wouldn't pay attention to them.

I have to save Brad Biggs is by far the best consistent reporter for the Bears.

 

[msadows]

The best way to test if someone is full of it is to look at their past predictions. If they are consistently wrong - they either suck or put themselves in positions to fail, either way I wouldn't pay attention to them.

I have to save Brad Biggs is by far the best consistent reporter for the Bears.

Only thing brad biggs is consistent at is providing shade for those smaller than him

 

[Hoodey]

Thats hard to tell, because the bears situation is as bad as any rookie has had to deal with in recent memory. Sure he has skill players but his scheme, coaching, culture and oline is complete ass.

I'd bet that any of the other QB's if you dropped them into this situation would either be benched by now or on IR due to injury.

Its actually extremely impressive he has performed as well as he has considering the ineptitude of the bears.


Bo nix would not have succeeded here, but keep thinking that. He has 11 interceptions playing with a much better oline and QB friendly scheme.

If caleb was in denver, in that high altitude, with sean payton he would be setting rookie records on the way to a probowl/playoff

Yeah but generational QBs still don’t rank in the 30s in average and completion percentage. Daniels is 12th and 5th and I don’t think he’s anywhere close to being a generational talent. He’s really good. For now. DCs are going to go to work on all these guys this offseason and Daniels may just be solid next year.

Two things can be true at the same time.

You get three seconds in the NFL. Anyone would be foolish to criticize Williams for plays where he’s pressured in 1.5 seconds and doesn’t have a safe pocket to step into. But there have been PLENTY of plays where that isn’t the case and he holds the ball too long or misses open receivers deep. Going into the Green Bay game he was the worst QB on passes of more than 15 yards in 15 years. A poster told me there was no way that was true. I showed it to him and now he’s hiding out with Rex fans lol.

It would also be foolish to claim the mccaskeys hire coaches and front office people well. They don’t. But I’d refer you to the previous paragraph and mid 30s in average and completion percentage.

I’m also not saying he’s Craig Krenzel. I am just saying not generational. I think in 5-6 years it will be seen as obvious that he should have been graded mid first to mid second round and that the bears should have traded down

 

[Hoodey]

The best way to test if someone is full of it is to look at their past predictions. If they are consistently wrong - they either suck or put themselves in positions to fail, either way I wouldn't pay attention to them.

I have to save Brad Biggs is by far the best consistent reporter for the Bears.

By that token I’d look back from Rex grossman to the present. Sure only about 5 bears fans will admit to hyping Rex grossman like he was Steve young halfway through 2006. No way to tell for sure (though I’d suspect the real number matches the scores mid 2006 poll that had 80%+ fans saying grossman was the answer long term).

What I do know is that you’d be hard pressed to find a Chicago media member who didn’t hype the 5’10” chunky one like he was Brett Favre

 

[msadows]

Yeah but generational QBs still don’t rank in the 30s in average and completion percentage. Daniels is 12th and 5th and I don’t think he’s anywhere close to being a generational talent. He’s really good. For now. DCs are going to go to work on all these guys this offseason and Daniels may just be solid next year.

Two things can be true at the same time.

You get three seconds in the NFL. Anyone would be foolish to criticize Williams for plays where he’s pressured in 1.5 seconds and doesn’t have a safe pocket to step into. But there have been PLENTY of plays where that isn’t the case and he holds the ball too long or misses open receivers deep. Going into the Green Bay game he was the worst QB on passes of more than 15 yards in 15 years. A poster told me there was no way that was true. I showed it to him and now he’s hiding out with Rex fans lol.

It would also be foolish to claim the mccaskeys hire coaches and front office people well. They don’t. But I’d refer you to the previous paragraph and mid 30s in average and completion percentage.

I’m also not saying he’s Craig Krenzel. I am just saying not generational. I think in 5-6 years it will be seen as obvious that he should have been graded mid first to mid second round and that the bears should have traded down

You cant compare the rookies like that considering its a team sport. Daniels is in a far superior situation with great coaching. Bo Nix has one of the best QB gurus in history.

Caleb is basically being coached by keenan allen and his stats are essentially the same as both of those guys. The scheme is god awful and there is no spacing in the concepts. Every analyst has gotten into this, even the live broadcasts have.

I think you are just blind, and have an agenda. If you put all their throws side by side its clear who has the most physical arm talent, and its not even close.

 

[Nads786]

By that token I’d look back from Rex grossman to the present. Sure only about 5 bears fans will admit to hyping Rex grossman like he was Steve young halfway through 2006. No way to tell for sure (though I’d suspect the real number matches the scores mid 2006 poll that had 80%+ fans saying grossman was the answer long term).

What I do know is that you’d be hard pressed to find a Chicago media member who didn’t hype the 5’10” chunky one like he was Brett Favre

Rex Grossman's first game in my mind was against Atlanta and he was throwing bombs and lasers all over the place. I was very hyped up.