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Garbage time doesn't really mean anything.
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No one is denying that. I've been a Kirk supporter as well. Unfortunately, all good things come to an end.
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You keep saying that, but he drilled that 3 from well beyond the arc. That's what he does, he shoots. That's what the Bulls need, shooting. :dunno:
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I just wish he could do it when the game matters. Oh the difference he could've made...
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People still sleep on Hinrich.
The Bulls bench has looked horrible since He went down. Brooks does not run an NBA offense worth a crap. Yes, Hinrich was misused. Yes, he is not a starter. Yes, he is playing to many minutes.
In the right role he is a good player. He still runs an NBA offense better than a vast majority of backup PGs in the league. Just watch how the second unit looks when Brooks is running the point. When he is hot and shots that he jacks up everyone will be happy. When is not hot and missing, the entire second unit will look like crap.
PGs don't need to be scorers or shooters. Rondo proves that. Yes I know, Hinrich is not Rondo. The point is that shooting is overrated for PGs, especially backup PGs who can have good/average shooters next to them: Brooks, Mirotic, Gibson, random other wings.
The Bulls bench has looked horrible since He went down. Brooks does not run an NBA offense worth a crap. Yes, Hinrich was misused. Yes, he is not a starter. Yes, he is playing to many minutes.
In the right role he is a good player. He still runs an NBA offense better than a vast majority of backup PGs in the league. Just watch how the second unit looks when Brooks is running the point. When he is hot and shots that he jacks up everyone will be happy. When is not hot and missing, the entire second unit will look like crap.
PGs don't need to be scorers or shooters. Rondo proves that. Yes I know, Hinrich is not Rondo. The point is that shooting is overrated for PGs, especially backup PGs who can have good/average shooters next to them: Brooks, Mirotic, Gibson, random other wings.
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Afflalo is not worth Gibson and a first round pick. The Bulls can getter value for that package. I know the Bulls are deeper at PF and weak on the wings, but I don't like that trade.
Dunleavy and Hinrich plus 1st makes some sense. I think that trade depletes the Bulls bench to much though. I don't like Brooks running the point and if the Bulls lose Dunleavy he cannot be a bench shooter. I would like that trade a lot more if the Bulls sent either Hinrich or Dunleavy plus filler contracts. They have a few guys they can toss into make the money work.
Dunleavy and Hinrich plus 1st makes some sense. I think that trade depletes the Bulls bench to much though. I don't like Brooks running the point and if the Bulls lose Dunleavy he cannot be a bench shooter. I would like that trade a lot more if the Bulls sent either Hinrich or Dunleavy plus filler contracts. They have a few guys they can toss into make the money work.
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I disagree this is best for the Bulls. Why would we trade Bairstow and Snell who are two young draft picks on cheap contracts for us? The better trade for the Bulls, imo, would be to trade Dunn, Moore, and Nazr. This would also be attractive to Denver as all 3 would be expiring contracts as Moore's contract is only guaranteed through the AS game this year. Then we'd run with:
Rose - Brooks
Affalo - Hinrich
Butler - Snell - McD
Gasol - Taj - Niko
Noah - Bairstow
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Bairstow is a cheap contract and thats it
Snell has shown improvement but i don't think he'll ever be consistent enough to be a real contributor
i like keeping Dun since hes a shooter and can be plugged into any lineup
its about having the best roster possible and not holding onto below par players because they are young
Snell has shown improvement but i don't think he'll ever be consistent enough to be a real contributor
i like keeping Dun since hes a shooter and can be plugged into any lineup
its about having the best roster possible and not holding onto below par players because they are young
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Long story short: easier to move Dunleavy because a true expiring and still has value as a player, but more preferable to trade Hinrich because Dunleavy's better. Harder to trade Hinrich because salary matching.
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Exactly, Denver has to like the trade as well, and I doubt they want to take on a bunch of salaries when they are interested on dumping salary and getting draft picks.
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Well Hinrich technically can still be an expiring if he declines the player option. If he loves Chicago as much as is supposed, he'll just come back next year. :elephant:
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Also FWIW, Moore, Nazr, and Bairstow are all basically expirings. Their salary only adds up to maybe like 3M or so though.
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I said in the Taj trade rumor thread that I question any team that feels they need Taj Gibson to put them over the top. The same holds true for the Bulls.
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well let be be clear im not against trading Dunleavy if thats what it calls
but i prefer to keep him because he would be good player off the bench (which is what he should be now)
but i prefer to keep him because he would be good player off the bench (which is what he should be now)
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Very very good!
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Dunleavy would be a good asset off of the bench and playing the minutes that they have been giving Hinrich. Hinrich needs to go away. PLEASE!!!!!
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you cant trade Dunleavy because then you lack perimeter shooting...McD isn't ready yet to take on that spot shooter role. and kirk will hit some big shots before this year is over and make you guys eat those words :woot:
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Dunleavy is a valuable player to a team. Hinrich is not valuable to any.
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Uh, we were merely looking at the trade possibilities that would actually work. First, do you think the Bulls would trade Kirk, Snell, Nazr, and Bairstow plus a 1st round pick for Affalo for a half year commitment, and secondly, do you really think that Denver wants all that crap from us when they're looking to dump salary and build through the draft? :dunno: :smh:
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The trade that makes sense is moving Taj to a third team, that team moving someone to the Nuggets and the Bulls getting Afflalo. The unknown team can provide the draft pick to replace the Bulls pick that is going out or go directly to the Nuggets.
Taj has 1st round pick value. I am sure a trade can be made if the Bulls want to move Taj. I am not sure they want to though.
Taj has 1st round pick value. I am sure a trade can be made if the Bulls want to move Taj. I am not sure they want to though.