Derrick Rose named 2010-2011 MVP

[Rush]

Did he text you or something?

 

[Shakes]

LOL, Whut?

Howard was the runaway winner of the DPotY, first in defensive rebounds, third in offensive rebounds, second in field goal percentage, first in free throw attempts, third in blocks and 11th in scoring. Not to mention keeping the team 3rd in defense despite everyone else on the team being regarded as somewhere from below average to hot garbage on that end of the floor.

Rose had a great year, no doubt about it, but Howard had an even better one. But one guy plays with a great supporting cast that got to 62 wins, the other guy plays with scrubs like Arenas and Hedo and that disqualified him from the MVP.

 

[houheffna]

Howard was the runaway winner of the DPotY, first in defensive rebounds, third in offensive rebounds, second in field goal percentage, first in free throw attempts, third in blocks and 11th in scoring. Not to mention keeping the team 3rd in defense despite everyone else on the team being regarded as somewhere from below average to hot garbage on that end of the floor.

Rose had a great year, no doubt about it, but Howard had an even better one. But one guy plays with a great supporting cast that got to 62 wins, the other guy plays with scrubs like Arenas and Hedo and that disqualified him from the MVP.

You are trying to have a reasonable, objective conversation about basketball with THAT dude? You can give it your best shot man but....i'll pass.

 

[james k]

Extremely well deserved, but is it official yet?

 

[Glide2keva]

Howard was the runaway winner of the DPotY, first in defensive rebounds, third in offensive rebounds, second in field goal percentage, first in free throw attempts, third in blocks and 11th in scoring. Not to mention keeping the team 3rd in defense despite everyone else on the team being regarded as somewhere from below average to hot garbage on that end of the floor.

Rose had a great year, no doubt about it, but Howard had an even better one. But one guy plays with a great supporting cast that got to 62 wins, the other guy plays with scrubs like Arenas and Hedo and that disqualified him from the MVP.

I was just trying to get your full perspective. I understand what you mean now.

Howard had a great year, no doubt.

But his team's management screwed him out of the award. Add that to the fact that Rose closed a bunch of important games with either scoring or assisting, while Howard couldn't be counted on in the clutch, and there you have you intangible.

Other players may have out averaged Rose and got good to great numbers, but Rose through ulcers, hip problems, injuries to key teammates and all delivered in the biggest games through the season..

If Rose gets named MVP, it'll mainly because of that. Howard also had all of those technicals which got him suspended for the last game against the Bulls, where he could make his claim.

Well, there's always next year.

Oh and I can have a reasonable conversation with you, because unlike some posters, you don't always have a "I'm always right" attitude

 

[Glide2keva]

You are trying to have a reasonable, objective conversation about basketball with THAT dude? You can give it your best shot man but....i'll pass.

Your reasonable, and objective conversations consist of people giving you their opinions on subjects, and you telling them they are wrong while totally dismissing what they say.

It's not us that are incapable of reasonable, objective conversation. It's you.

 

[Tyler Juranovich]

Bigger is can he give the Bulls another Championship? I think he can. The team around him are getting better every year.

It'll be awesome and good for the city of Chicago if the 'Hawks and Bulls can continue to make the playoffs.

 

[daddies3angels]

When is this suppose to be announced by league?

 

[Glide2keva]

When is this suppose to be announced by league?

In the next day or two. They usually hand out the award before the first or second game of the semifinals.

 

[houheffna]

Your reasonable, and objective conversations consist of people giving you their opinions on subjects, and you telling them they are wrong while totally dismissing what they say.

It's not us that are incapable of reasonable, objective conversation. It's you.

Whatever you say playa....lol

 

[Undisputed]

The real question is, could Dwight Howard put up the numbers he did this season if there was a more balanced attack from Orlando? If people are going to say "If Dwight had better teammates he would get the MVP", then I can ask that question.

Dwight is physically stronger and more athletic than everyone at his position, that's how he gets his great stats. Derrick Rose sets the pace of games, comes through in the clutch(from three, two, an and-1, or free throws), and effects the game in pretty much every aspect. As opposed to Dwight Howard who has to be force fed in the post to get his shots. That's all he's good for offensively, and good teams can anticipate that and shut it down defensively

He has absolutely no case over Derrick Rose this season. Especially after his team has a lower seed than the Bulls, then he denies fans an MVP standoff at the end of the season because he can't control his emotions.

 

[Anytime23]

Actually you could make a case for why Howard should be MVP. Not only are his #s offensively more superior but he is by far the greatest defensive force in the NBA. Free throw % is a joke of a debate as to why he can't be MVP. Did Howard have a higher ppg average than Rose or not? He doesn't need to make FTs to be a force. If you're drawing as many fouls as he does, especially against opposing bigs, he's making a huge impact on the way they play defense when he's putting guys in foul trouble.

Can Howard close a game like Rose? No. Does he has the floor presense and poise that Rose has? No. But overall Howards impact IMO has been greater than Rose's. Fortunately for our guy, team record has a huge impact on the overall outcome. If we were a 4th seed and the Magic were first, Howard would hands down be the MVP.

But I don't think there's another guy in the league you could make the argument for. Not Bron, Kobe or Durant.

 

[Undisputed]

Actually you could make a case for why Howard should be MVP. Not only are his #s offensively more superior but he is by far the greatest defensive force in the NBA. Free throw % is a joke of a debate as to why he can't be MVP. Did Howard have a higher ppg average than Rose or not? He doesn't need to make FTs to be a force. If you're drawing as many fouls as he does, especially against opposing bigs, he's making a huge impact on the way they play defense when he's putting guys in foul trouble.

Can Howard close a game like Rose? No. Does he has the floor presense and poise that Rose has? No. But overall Howards impact IMO has been greater than Rose's. Fortunately for our guy, team record has a huge impact on the overall outcome. If we were a 4th seed and the Magic were first, Howard would hands down be the MVP.

But I don't think there's another guy in the league you could make the argument for. Not Bron, Kobe or Durant.

If you can't trust your best player to hit free throws in crucial situations, that's a terrible problem. When being compared to a player like Derrick Rose for MVP, it's definitely part of the discussion. Rose just simply provides a wider variety of skill sets on the court right now and has a greater ability to lead his team to wins. Rose was the best player on the best team this season, like I said, Dwight has no case. You can go with, "If this and that happened, Howard would win" all you want, but that is actually a joke of an argument.

The superior offensive stats that Howard has over Rose is FG% and fouls drawn. Rose had a high PPG. Howard's FG% is so high because the only offense he can provide is inside, and his fouls drawn are because you'd rather put the dope on the free throw line late in games or a better alternative than having him get an easy bucket(which are the only buckets Howard can get you).

Dwight Howard is a great defender, but that's what the DPOY award is for. When it comes to who got the job done for their team this season, it has been Derrick Rose. Howard's overall impact was no where near what #1 gave us this season. If we needed a three, he gave us a three. If we needed a comeback, he lead us to one by both passing and scoring. If we need a big defensive play or clutch free throws, he gave us that too.

 

[Anytime23]

If you can't trust your best player to hit free throws in crucial situations, that's a terrible problem. When being compared to a player like Derrick Rose for MVP, it's definitely part of the discussion. Rose just simply provides a wider variety of skill sets on the court right now and has a greater ability to lead his team to wins. Rose was the best player on the best team this season, like I said, Dwight has no case. You can go with, "If this and that happened, Howard would win" all you want, but that is actually a joke of an argument.How is that a joke of an argument? All you have to do is switch their team records, whos MVP? Its that simple. Does the 4th seeded Derrick Rose win MVP over Howard? Sorry, no, not even close. And FTs dont define how important you are. SHAQ, look him up. He was a horrid FT shooter, didnt stop him from being the most dominate force in the league, winning a league MVP and multiple finals MVPs. And if Ronnie Brewer hits clutch FTs like he has lately and Howard doesnt, does that make him more valuable? Its a complete body of work

The superior offensive stats that Howard has over Rose is FG% and fouls drawn. Rose had a high PPG. Howard's FG% is so high because the only offense he can provide is inside, and his fouls drawn are because you'd rather put the dope on the free throw line late in games or a better alternative than having him get an easy bucket(which are the only buckets Howard can get you).Talk about a joke of an argument, so how the difficulty of his shots should be a factor? Never in the history of MVP voting or any voting has that been discussed as a factor. Points are points, missed buckets are wasted possessions. You discredit everything Howard does but you go on to give Rose credit for everything this team has accomplished. Seriously, its pathetic how you have a way to brush off everything Howard does but yet Rose who shot 15% lower than Howard gets the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Rose would have shot better if he didnt jack up 6 3s a game.

Dwight Howard is a great defender, but that's what the DPOY award is for. When it comes to who got the job done for their team this season, it has been Derrick Rose. Howard's overall impact was no where near what #1 gave us this season. If we needed a three, he gave us a three. If we needed a comeback, he lead us to one by both passing and scoring. If we need a big defensive play or clutch free throws, he gave us that too.im as big a Rose fan as any but this is nonsense. Dwight gave everything his team needed from him and then some. Rose has 3 players in Deng, Boozer and noah all better than the second option in Orlando. Howard is by far the best player on his team on both ends of the court, you cant say the same about Rose defensively. He's probably the 6th best defender on this team. If youre going to discredit defense so much then why not give MVP to Durant, a guy whos better offensively than Rose is? Oh but let me guess, Durant doesnt have as many assists right? So then lets give it to Rondo? No but Rondo has HOF players playing next to him right? Then lets give it to Chris Paul. Etc etc etc. If you want to keep bringing up what they do at the end of games, why not Anthony, the most clutch player in the NBA this season?

Like i said, switch their teams records and Howard wins MVP and youre lying to yourself if you disagree. Stan Van Gundy wasnt being a homer coach when he said that no player impacts the game on each end the way Howard does. What he does defensively is the equivalent to what Rose brings on offense and what he does offensively is above and beyond what Rose contributes on the defensive end. Its a complete body of work, Howard has it, Rose does not. He's improved defensively but its not saying much considering how God awful he's been throughout his young career.

Rose is my favorite player. He deserves to be MVP because of his play in conjunction to our record and standing. Down the stretch he made so many critical plays and put this team on his back again and again. But he did not outplay Howard this season. Rose may be more of a winner and a better leader but hes not a better player than Dwight. Not yet. IDK, maybe i put too much of a premium on being able to keep the other team from scoring points.

 

[Crystallas]

Like i said, switch their teams records and Howard wins MVP and youre lying to yourself if you disagree. Stan Van Gundy wasnt being a homer coach when he said that no player impacts the game on each end the way Howard does. What he does defensively is the equivalent to what Rose brings on offense and what he does offensively is above and beyond what Rose contributes on the defensive end. Its a complete body of work, Howard has it, Rose does not. He's improved defensively but its not saying much considering how God awful he's been throughout his young career.

Rose is my favorite player. He deserves to be MVP because of his play in conjunction to our record and standing. Down the stretch he made so many critical plays and put this team on his back again and again. But he did not outplay Howard this season. Rose may be more of a winner and a better leader but hes not a better player than Dwight. Not yet. IDK, maybe i put too much of a premium on being able to keep the other team from scoring points.

I'm not taking a stance here, so please read me out.

I believe if Rose had a team where his role elevated higher, than what Howard's has been, then Rose would provide a great deal more of everything. IE: The Ron Harper, Danny Manning, Glen Rices, guards that had teams that basically allowed them to carry the team for the prime seasons of their career.

Now, it's not that I think Rose's role is lesser than Howard, but I do think it is very different because of their positions. Rose, by default, has to handle the ball on nearly every drive because he's a point guard. Howard could not do what Rose does, and Rose can not do what Howard does. It's a genetic limitation for both. But I do think if it's possible to remove the role of being the default ball handler from Rose, there is an argument that can be made that his role is significantly less than Dwight's role. For better(not for worse) this role is in place to help the Bulls win more games. Sure, some games it's more obvious that Rose will carry the team, and some games, it's obvious that Dwight is bailed out by his cast, but all in all I would give that advantage to Howard, and the natural advantage of the paint position player, to be able to capitalize on rebounds and put-backs. Especially now, in an era where the NBA had opted to go for player roles that stay healthier, longer, like a stretch forward to play at center. This is a point guard dominated era, where I can't help but give Rose the advantage if somehow you could close those gaps to make the comparison fair. Now as far as defense, I can not deny what Howard brings to the table, even in equal roles, Howard is heads and shoulders above, as a defender. But I don't believe Rose's defense is worse than Howard's offense. I say this because of the entire role that is factored in. If anything, I would fault Dwight, because something tells me that he has had opportunities with the players on his team, to have a much better record than he has, however I think his inability to be a floor leader, in the way Rose has been a humble but hard working leader, has become the difference between the Magic being where they are now, and where the could have been(with more chemistry ect.)

Seeing Rose elevate his defense in the playoffs, against an above average wing team, gives us all a sense of knowing how good Rose can be, as a defender. I never would have guessed that he would come out of the first round leading the league in steals, that is impressive to me, and he's not doing to bad in blocks(leading all PGs). Not that any of that matters, because MVP is a regular season award, but I no longer believe that Rose's defense is worse than Howard's offense.

If anything, I would say that if you took the two sides of the floor, they are fairly equal all-around, to the point where it can be debated until death. Eliminate the win/loss and all you are left to compare these two would be player personality. Maybe this is the homer side of me talking, or maybe it's just me relating with a fellow Chicagoan better than relating to a dirty south boy, but I actually look up to Rose for how he handles his role and how he stays so modest about everything. I can't remember an athlete this good, that handled his ego this well at such a young age. To me, that's what this MVP vote boiled down to, more than win/loss record. Rose is not only liked, and not only that heart-filled hard worker that people like to see, but he gives that perception of what more NBA players should be like, and that is using that energy for more grind and less lip-service. At the point of ethics and values, thats where Derrick wins the MVP in a landslide. That's why it was his award to lose at the All-Star Break, and because he handled it so well for the remainder of the season, that predetermination did not change.

 

[Undisputed]

How is that a joke of an argument? All you have to do is switch their team records, whos MVP? Its that simple. Does the 4th seeded Derrick Rose win MVP over Howard? Sorry, no, not even close. And FTs dont define how important you are. SHAQ, look him up. He was a horrid FT shooter, didnt stop him from being the most dominate force in the league, winning a league MVP and multiple finals MVPs. And if Ronnie Brewer hits clutch FTs like he has lately and Howard doesnt, does that make him more valuable? Its a complete body of work

Talk about a joke of an argument, so how the difficulty of his shots should be a factor? Never in the history of MVP voting or any voting has that been discussed as a factor. Points are points, missed buckets are wasted possessions. You discredit everything Howard does but you go on to give Rose credit for everything this team has accomplished. Seriously, its pathetic how you have a way to brush off everything Howard does but yet Rose who shot 15% lower than Howard gets the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Rose would have shot better if he didnt jack up 6 3s a game.

There's nothing wrong with my argument, just facts once again. I am not discrediting Dwight, just giving my argument as to why I feel Rose deserves the award over him, and of course that kind of argument will come off that way.

His FG% is only because of the type of shots he takes. I'm not discrediting him, it's just a fact. All he can do is dunk and score around the rim on offense, that's why bigs often have inflated FG%'s, especially when compared to a guard. A mixed attack from the guy who dominates the ball is much harder to guard than force feeding a big man down low, especially a big man you can live with sending to the free throw line.

Howard had a great season for a center, but let's be honest, the center position sucks. Most of the guys who guard him are bums, washed up, or just smaller athletic guys.

I'm sick of the "if" based arguments here. All I'm saying is Rose is more deserving of the MVP because of what's been laid out throughout the season.

im as big a Rose fan as any but this is nonsense. Dwight gave everything his team needed from him and then some. Rose has 3 players in Deng, Boozer and noah all better than the second option in Orlando.

I'm sure they needed him to rack up all those technicals too. Rose having a better team is a big part of winning MVP, but in reality his team had the best record on his back. Boozer missed a shit load of games, so did Noah, yet Rose kept the Bulls on the winning track. If you really watched the Bulls through this season, you know that. You would also know that Rose isn't just a product of having good teammates.

Howard is by far the best player on his team on both ends of the court, you cant say the same about Rose defensively. He's probably the 6th best defender on this team. If youre going to discredit defense so much then why not give MVP to Durant, a guy whos better offensively than Rose is? Oh but let me guess, Durant doesnt have as many assists right? So then lets give it to Rondo? No but Rondo has HOF players playing next to him right? Then lets give it to Chris Paul. Etc etc etc. If you want to keep bringing up what they do at the end of games, why not Anthony, the most clutch player in the NBA this season?

This doesn't even deserve a thought out response.

Like i said, switch their teams records and Howard wins MVP and youre lying to yourself if you disagree. Stan Van Gundy wasnt being a homer coach when he said that no player impacts the game on each end the way Howard does. What he does defensively is the equivalent to what Rose brings on offense and what he does offensively is above and beyond what Rose contributes on the defensive end. Its a complete body of work, Howard has it, Rose does not. He's improved defensively but its not saying much considering how God awful he's been throughout his young career.

Rose is my favorite player. He deserves to be MVP because of his play in conjunction to our record and standing. Down the stretch he made so many critical plays and put this team on his back again and again. But he did not outplay Howard this season. Rose may be more of a winner and a better leader but hes not a better player than Dwight. Not yet. IDK, maybe i put too much of a premium on being able to keep the other team from scoring points.

So to be an MVP of the league, a player has to be the best defensively and offensively on their team? Hahaha, ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous is that you think Rose is only deserving of the MVP because of the Bulls record. Give me Derrick Rose's season and skill set over Dwight Howards any day. Give me the better winner and leader over the guy who is "the better player".

It doesn't get more valuable than saying, "We need a bucket, go get us one", whether it be a three, two, or making the right pass. Dwights impact on defense is no where near what Rose brings to the teams offense.

Rose was the best player in the NBA this season, I don't care how many stats people throw out there. When it comes to stats, it may not seem so. But when it comes to overall impact on winning, Rose is unmatched. And in my opinion, that's what makes him the best player this season. Just my opinion.

 

[Shakes]

But when it comes to overall impact on winning, Rose is unmatched.

When it comes to overall impact on winning, not being saddled with a GM that thinks trading for Gilbert Arenas and Hedo Turkoglu are good moves is unmatched. If the MVP is going to be based on team record, give the award to Garr and Pax, they earnt it.

As far as the closer rubbish goes, Howard had a TS% of 70% in the clutch, far and away the best of the MVP candidates. He also turned the ball over less than Rose per point scored. Howard also raised his rebounding and defensive contributions above their usual rates in clutch situations. Howard was even more of a beast at the end of games.

But again, when it comes to overall impact on winning, it helps to not be saddled with a coach that failed math class and can figure that the prospect of shooting foul shots at 60% is actually pretty damned good compared to letting Arenas jack up a three he hits less than 30% of the time. When Howard got the ball he delivered, he just never got the ball enough.

I guess he can take comfort in the fact that both his GM & coach are probably going to be fired for their mismanagement of the Magic.

Honestly there's no way I'd have Rose ahead of Howard or LeBron in the MVP race, and I'd be hard pressed to put him ahead of anyone in the Dirk/Kobe/Wade/Paul group. The Bulls getting to 62 wins was far more of a team effort than anyone is giving the other 10 guys in the rotation credit for.

 

[houheffna]

Shaquille O'Neal couldn't hit free throws...he would win MVP...and was the best player in the league, arguably. Not only that, he should have won MVP in 2001 as he had far superior numbers to Iverson. They gave it to Iverson for the same reason they are giving it to Rose....the story. The argument can be made that Iverson was the first "Story MVP" in league history. Barkley, Malone were all lifetime achievement awards when they initially received it.

I also don't buy into Rose being "a winner" and Howard is not. Howard didn't play with Luol Deng. I don't think anybody on his team is that good. Nor did he play with Boozer. For most of the season he was stuck with over priced players past their primes and fairly ineffective. Howard is the second best player in the league in my opinion. He is a walking top 5 defense, wherever he goes, he takes that with him. And yes, he was more important to the Magic, on both sides of the court than any player in the league. He also improved dramatically offensively. He did have an MVP season. However, since writers started voting in 1980, I believe all but one MVP did not finish top 2 in their conference. Under the criteria given, Rose deserves top consideration. But Howard definitely had a standout season that may have garnered MVP consideration had he won more games. He didn't have a great season "for a center", which means he would have a HOF season historically...he had a great season...period.

People can argue that Rose is a better teammate. But that ain't why Lebron and Kobe won MVPs. And believe me, you switch those records, nobody is talking about Rose being MVP because of humility...he wouldn't be talked about at all when it comes to MVP consideration...

 

[Undisputed]

Lol at all the people on the Dwight Howard bandwagon on here. I feel like I'm on a Magic message board. There's no way Rose should be denied MVP after the season he put together for the Bulls, and the majority of voters will reflect that. Rose will more than likely get the MVP in a landslide; it's because of the Bulls record, but that record wasn't even possible without him. There was just no stopping Rose, especially late in games when it mattered the most.

I'm done with this argument. I can see this just going around and around and around, paragraph after paragraph. You guys get the last word, because typing all that junk is just a waste of time really.

 

[Anytime23]

I'm not taking a stance here, so please read me out.

I believe if Rose had a team where his role elevated higher, than what Howard's has been, then Rose would provide a great deal more of everything. IE: The Ron Harper, Danny Manning, Glen Rices, guards that had teams that basically allowed them to carry the team for the prime seasons of their career.

Now, it's not that I think Rose's role is lesser than Howard, but I do think it is very different because of their positions. Rose, by default, has to handle the ball on nearly every drive because he's a point guard. Howard could not do what Rose does, and Rose can not do what Howard does. It's a genetic limitation for both. But I do think if it's possible to remove the role of being the default ball handler from Rose, there is an argument that can be made that his role is significantly less than Dwight's role. For better(not for worse) this role is in place to help the Bulls win more games. Sure, some games it's more obvious that Rose will carry the team, and some games, it's obvious that Dwight is bailed out by his cast, but all in all I would give that advantage to Howard, and the natural advantage of the paint position player, to be able to capitalize on rebounds and put-backs. Especially now, in an era where the NBA had opted to go for player roles that stay healthier, longer, like a stretch forward to play at center. This is a point guard dominated era, where I can't help but give Rose the advantage if somehow you could close those gaps to make the comparison fair. Now as far as defense, I can not deny what Howard brings to the table, even in equal roles, Howard is heads and shoulders above, as a defender. But I don't believe Rose's defense is worse than Howard's offense. I say this because of the entire role that is factored in. If anything, I would fault Dwight, because something tells me that he has had opportunities with the players on his team, to have a much better record than he has, however I think his inability to be a floor leader, in the way Rose has been a humble but hard working leader, has become the difference between the Magic being where they are now, and where the could have been(with more chemistry ect.)

Seeing Rose elevate his defense in the playoffs, against an above average wing team, gives us all a sense of knowing how good Rose can be, as a defender. I never would have guessed that he would come out of the first round leading the league in steals, that is impressive to me, and he's not doing to bad in blocks(leading all PGs). Not that any of that matters, because MVP is a regular season award, but I no longer believe that Rose's defense is worse than Howard's offense.

If anything, I would say that if you took the two sides of the floor, they are fairly equal all-around, to the point where it can be debated until death. Eliminate the win/loss and all you are left to compare these two would be player personality. Maybe this is the homer side of me talking, or maybe it's just me relating with a fellow Chicagoan better than relating to a dirty south boy, but I actually look up to Rose for how he handles his role and how he stays so modest about everything. I can't remember an athlete this good, that handled his ego this well at such a young age. To me, that's what this MVP vote boiled down to, more than win/loss record. Rose is not only liked, and not only that heart-filled hard worker that people like to see, but he gives that perception of what more NBA players should be like, and that is using that energy for more grind and less lip-service. At the point of ethics and values, thats where Derrick wins the MVP in a landslide. That's why it was his award to lose at the All-Star Break, and because he handled it so well for the remainder of the season, that predetermination did not change.

I just dont see how people can keep discrediting Howards impact offensively because he gets put backs and gets looks under the basket. Rebounding is very important. Offensive rebounding creates more possessions, defensive rebounds prevents extra possessions for the other team. If we've seen anything from our series with the Pacers, when the Bulls give up 2nd chance opportunities, they are put in a real rough place and the same can be said about any team in the NBA. While i dont think rebounding is impressive as an assist, when you can grab 15-18 a night, thats really saying something and i dont care whos boxing you out in whichever NBA era.

Rose's defense has been better and he could be great on defense because of his athletic ability but hes not there yet. The blocks are surely there, many of them spectacular. But i want to see Rose start manning up and defend someone iso. Howard shot nearly 60% at about 22ppg. Nothing Rose does on defense is equal to that, not even close.

And i dont see how my location has anything to do with my views on the subject. Im as big of a Rose fan as there is. Im from Chicago. Ive cheered for the Bulls since i was a toddler with my older brother and dad. I hate all professional Florida teams so it has nothing to do with the dirty south. I love the way Rose handles his role as a leader and being one of the few humble superstars. Hes my favorite athlete and when its all said and done he'll probably be my favorite ever. If anyone tried to debate Howard over Rose for MVP, i would argue it until the death. For the last time, im not saying Howard should be MVP but for ppl like The Chicago Way(The name kind of fits him, considering Chicago fans ways are to dismiss anything that credits a non chicago player) to go on and say how its not even close and no way does Howard do enough to deserve MVP and using stupid points like FT% as a knock on his MVP case. All ive been saying is that if you switch their records, Howard wins MVP, point blank period. Rose and Howards personalities are not why their teams are where they are. Supporting casts. Thats it. This is still the NBA where talent prevails.

Howard has done enough to deserve the MVP, the only reason why he wont win is the records. This is how the NBA goes. Rose is a better leader and better in the clutch but theres so much more to a players on the court impact than those things. I'll leave it at that