Derrick Rose named 2010-2011 MVP

[Undisputed]

I just dont see how people can keep discrediting Howards impact offensively because he gets put backs and gets looks under the basket. Rebounding is very important. Offensive rebounding creates more possessions, defensive rebounds prevents extra possessions for the other team. If we've seen anything from our series with the Pacers, when the Bulls give up 2nd chance opportunities, they are put in a real rough place and the same can be said about any team in the NBA. While i dont think rebounding is impressive as an assist, when you can grab 15-18 a night, thats really saying something and i dont care whos boxing you out in whichever NBA era.

Rose's defense has been better and he could be great on defense because of his athletic ability but hes not there yet. The blocks are surely there, many of them spectacular. But i want to see Rose start manning up and defend someone iso. Howard shot nearly 60% at about 22ppg. Nothing Rose does on defense is equal to that, not even close.

And i dont see how my location has anything to do with my views on the subject. Im as big of a Rose fan as there is. Im from Chicago. Ive cheered for the Bulls since i was a toddler with my older brother and dad. I hate all professional Florida teams so it has nothing to do with the dirty south. I love the way Rose handles his role as a leader and being one of the few humble superstars. Hes my favorite athlete and when its all said and done he'll probably be my favorite ever. If anyone tried to debate Howard over Rose for MVP, i would argue it until the death. For the last time, im not saying Howard should be MVP but for ppl like The Chicago Way(The name kind of fits him, considering Chicago fans ways are to dismiss anything that credits a non chicago player) to go on and say how its not even close and no way does Howard do enough to deserve MVP and using stupid points like FT% as a knock on his MVP case. All ive been saying is that if you switch their records, Howard wins MVP, point blank period. Rose and Howards personalities are not why their teams are where they are. Supporting casts. Thats it. This is still the NBA where talent prevails.

Howard has done enough to deserve the MVP, the only reason why he wont win is the records. This is how the NBA goes. Rose is a better leader and better in the clutch but theres so much more to a players on the court impact than those things. I'll leave it at that

LOCATION: Florida

I guess I can understand why you are looking like a Dwight Howard fan boy, you're surrounded by them.

 

[Anytime23]

There's nothing wrong with my argument, just facts once again. I am not discrediting Dwight, just giving my argument as to why I feel Rose deserves the award over him, and of course that kind of argument will come off that way.No you are discrediting everything Howard contributes but then go on to credit Rose with every little thing he does on the court

His FG% is only because of the type of shots he takes. I'm not discrediting him, it's just a fact. All he can do is dunk and score around the rim on offense, that's why bigs often have inflated FG%'s, especially when compared to a guard. A mixed attack from the guy who dominates the ball is much harder to guard than force feeding a big man down low, especially a big man you can live with sending to the free throw line. And all of that is irrelevant because points are points, empty possessions are empty possessions. Doesnt matter how you get them. Howard plays to his strengths, sorry he doesnt attempt fade away floaters after crossing over a defender and then splitting two more. Thats not his game.

Howard had a great season for a center, but let's be honest, the center position sucks. Most of the guys who guard him are bums, washed up, or just smaller athletic guys. Yeah, youre not discrediting him or anything. Theres not one person who can guard Howard 1 on 1 but none of that matters, the C position is small and soft. I guess ROse is the only person in the NBA to get double teamed.

I'm sick of the "if" based arguments here. All I'm saying is Rose is more deserving of the MVP because of what's been laid out throughout the season.And all im saying is records are the only thing that separates the guy who will win from the guy who probably should win based on impact and supporting cast


I'm sure they needed him to rack up all those technicals too. Rose having a better team is a big part of winning MVP, but in reality his team had the best record on his back. Boozer missed a shit load of games, so did Noah, yet Rose kept the Bulls on the winning track. If you really watched the Bulls through this season, you know that. You would also know that Rose isn't just a product of having good teammates.I never said he was a product of good teammates and if youve looked around this forum and gone back and read my postings, ive stated the same things you have as to why Rose is MVP

This doesn't even deserve a thought out response.Sometimes i wonder if youre capable of one in the first place.

So to be an MVP of the league, a player has to be the best defensively and offensively on their team? Hahaha, ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous is that you think Rose is only deserving of the MVP because of the Bulls record. Give me Derrick Rose's season and skill set over Dwight Howards any day. Give me the better winner and leader over the guy who is "the better player".
I never said any of that. Youre proving to be a little whiny kid, mad at anyone who credits another player. For the very last time, Rose is the MVP not only because of his on the court impact but his team record. Its a combo of both, it always has been. I'll take Rose over Howard because of his leadership and poise. His ability to give the Bulls what they need in the clutch and his constant improvement from year to year.
It doesn't get more valuable than saying, "We need a bucket, go get us one", whether it be a three, two, or making the right pass. Dwights impact on defense is no where near what Rose brings to the teams offense.

Rose was the best player in the NBA this season, I don't care how many stats people throw out there. When it comes to stats, it may not seem so. But when it comes to overall impact on winning, Rose is unmatched. And in my opinion, that's what makes him the best player this season. Just my opinion.If it came to overall impact, you would know that Howard is more valuable.

Man, now i understand what Hou goes through around here when he gives another player credit. I guess im a Howard bandwagoner and Rose hater and im not a Bulls fan. Probably a bigger Bulls/Rose fan than you.

People need to actually read what im writing. Time and time again ive stated that Rose is the MVP, should be MVP and does the things that Howard cant do in the clutch. But none of that matters because ultimately when you have two guys with great seasons and both deserving of MVP recognition, the guy who has the #1 seeded team will win over the guy with the #4 seeded team 100 times out of 100.

 

[Anytime23]

LOCATION: Florida

I guess I can understand why you are looking like a Dwight Howard fan boy, you're surrounded by them.

Further proof that you are a moron, Bulls homer.

I actually live in Mars, PA. Moved here a year ago. So maybe you should read my posts and actually contribute around here more before you go on to spew bullshit about other posters who have added more to this forum in terms of support of the Bulls and Rose than you have. And FTY, Boca Raton is about 45-60 minutes from Miami. If anything i would be a LeBron fan boy. Good work, buddy.

 

[Undisputed]

Further proof that you are a moron, Bulls homer.

I actually live in Mars, PA. Moved here a year ago. So maybe you should read my posts and actually contribute around here more before you go on to spew bullshit about other posters who have added more to this forum in terms of support of the Bulls and Rose than you have. And FTY, Boca Raton is about 45-60 minutes from Miami. If anything i would be a LeBron fan boy. Good work, buddy.

Oh look, a CCS mod calling me a moron. Very professional and mature, way to set an example for the boards. Did I hit a nerve by calling you a Dwight Howard fan boy? I think you definitely are. Insecurity is very telling.

I've contributed in the likes of 12 recruits, more than you probably will have before you leave this board.

And yes, I am a Bulls homer. Which is the reason I'm posting on ChiCitySports.com, duh.

 

[Anytime23]

Shakes and Hou both making great points...But none of any of that is relevant when debating with Bulls homers. Hou, you and I have gone at it more than a few times around here. Shakes too. Have i or have i not debated Rose for MVP over Howard and LeBron many times?

Man people just cant sit back and look at the hypothetical question of who would win MVP if they had the same record or if you switched their records. Stubborn liars will day Rose.

 

[Anytime23]

Oh look, a CCS mod calling people a moron. Very professional, way to set an example for the boards. Did I hit a nerve by calling you a Dwight Howard fan boy? I think you definitely are. Insecurity is very telling.

Im calling you a moron because you have constantly ignored good points by other posters and myself, discredited everything in support of Howard because youre too much of a Rose jizz drinker to look at the NBA without being a biased child.

You looked at my location and claim me to be a florida fan boy. Its just proof of what a moron you are because anyone thats actually read my posts longer than the 12 hours, clearly know that i hate Florida teams and unconditionally love the Bulls. But judge me by my location, a place i dont even live anymore. Great going genius.

 

[Anytime23]

Congrats on your recruitment, hopefully their posts have more quality than the garbage youve spewed.

 

[Undisputed]

Shakes and Hou both making great points...But none of any of that is relevant when debating with Bulls homers. Hou, you and I have gone at it more than a few times around here. Shakes too. Have i or have i not debated Rose for MVP over Howard and LeBron many times?

Man people just cant sit back and look at the hypothetical question of who would win MVP if they had the same record or if you switched their records. Stubborn liars will day Rose.

I'm not interested in hypotheticals, just that Rose is the MVP of the league this season. If you really did agree with that, you wouldn't waste time typing paragraph after paragraph in Howard defense. I did because I'm a Bulls homer, what's your reason? You like to play devil's advocate, huh?

 

[Undisputed]

Congrats on your recruitment, hopefully their posts have more quality than the garbage youve spewed.

You're a mod and you post garbage, it looks like I'm on the right track. hahahah.

 

[Anytime23]

I'm not interested in hypotheticals, just that Rose is the MVP of the league this season. If you really did agree with that, you wouldn't waste time typing paragraph after paragraph in Howard defense. I did because I'm a Bulls homer, what's your reason? You like to play devil's advocate, huh?

Actually i never play devils advocate. The biggest reason why im debating you because i found your FT% reasoning to be the knock against Howards case for MVP to be the single dumbest thing ive ever heard in terms of MVP debating. Then when the name Shaq is mentioned, you had nothing to say. When someone makes a point, you cant say youre right and you continue to name more reasons youre pro-Rose. Despite my constant reminders of my support for Rose for MVP, you continue.

Im glad we did this though. Now i know what kind of poster you.

 

[Anytime23]

You're a mod and you post garbage, it looks like I'm on the right track. hahahah.

Whatever you say, Its not like i made points for my argument and have a response for each and every single one of yours. All i did was discredit every logical point you made and then used your CCS location as a reason to discredit your opinion as a fan...Oh wait, that was you, not me.

 

[Undisputed]

Im calling you a moron because you have constantly ignored good points by other posters and myself, discredited everything in support of Howard because youre too much of a Rose jizz drinker to look at the NBA without being a biased child.

You looked at my location and claim me to be a florida fan boy. Its just proof of what a moron you are because anyone thats actually read my posts longer than the 12 hours, clearly know that i hate Florida teams and unconditionally love the Bulls. But judge me by my location, a place i dont even live anymore. Great going genius.

Man, you're really bent out of shape. You are having to resort to calling me a moron, a Rose jizz drinker, and a biased child. To me, name calling is a childs method of communication. But it makes you feel strong, so who am I to judge. You can't blame me for assuming you are from Florida when it is listed as your location. If I read someone is hispanic, I won't be expecting a white guy.

Actually i never play devils advocate. The biggest reason why im debating you because i found your FT% reasoning to be the knock against Howards case for MVP to be the single dumbest thing ive ever heard in terms of MVP debating. Then when the name Shaq is mentioned, you had nothing to say. When someone makes a point, you cant say youre right and you continue to name more reasons youre pro-Rose. Despite my constant reminders of my support for Rose for MVP, you continue.

Im glad we did this though. Now i know what kind of poster you.

FT shooting was just part of my argument. You underrate free throw shooting, that's fine. I don't, which is why I included it and why I said it's relevant when comparing Rose and Howard for MVP.

I'm not saying Dwight Howard isn't an MVP kind of guy, just that he wasn't this year over Rose. So what about Shaq?

 

[Undisputed]

Whatever you say, Its not like i made points for my argument and have a response for each and every single one of yours. All i did was discredit every logical point you made and then used your CCS location as a reason to discredit your opinion as a fan...Oh wait, that was you, not me.

I didn't discredit anything. You're just mad because I don't agree with your passionate Dwight Howard arguments, that's all.

 

[Anytime23]

Man, you're really bent out of shape. You are having to resort to calling me a moron, a Rose jizz drinker, and a biased child. To me, name calling is a childs method of communication. But it makes you feel strong, so who am I to judge. You can't blame me for assuming you are from Florida when it is listed as your location. If I read someone is hispanic, I won't be expecting a white guy.
No one is bent out of shape, get over yourself. I insult those who deserve it. You can assume i live where ever but dont make that a the case against my opinion because its far from the truth and completely irrelevant

FT shooting was just part of my argument. You underrate free throw shooting, that's fine. I don't, which is why I included it and why I said it's relevant when comparing Rose and Howard for MVP. I dont underrate FT shooting. Never said it wasnt important but it in no way should be used as a knock on someones MVP case. How does his FT% hold such a negative impact against his team but his 15% more accurate shooting % doesnt? This is where you talk about 3 pt attempts and late game heroics to discredit my point.

I'm not saying Dwight Howard isn't an MVP kind of guy, just that he wasn't this year over Rose. So what about Shaq?What about Shaq? His FT% never stopped him from being arguably the most dominant presence the NBA has ever seen. I dont think Howard was the MVP over Rose either but im not gonna sit around while uninformed people bash him for the wrong reasons.

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[RamiTheBullsFan]

The case that can be made for Dwight Howard over Derrick Rose is that he's a much better player in certain ways. But this is an argument not really worth having. Rose has won so many games for the Bulls (many more than James or Wade has for Miami, Howard for Orlando, Nowitzki for Dallas, Durant or Wesbrook for OKC, Ginobili or Parker for San Antonio, or Bryant or Gasol for L.A.). Howard has his flaws and so does Rose but it's obvious who deserves the MVP... it's Rose.

 

[Anytime23]

I didn't discredit anything. You're just mad because I don't agree with your passionate Dwight Howard arguments, that's all.

You do discredit everything.

Me:Howards shooting% was 15% higher than Rose's
You:He takes easier shots than Rose

Me:He grabs double digit boards every night.
You:The NBA has no good centers

Me:Howard is dominant on both ends of the floor. Rose is dominant on one.
You:He cant make FTs, 3pt shoots or give his team everything he needs late in games like Rose. Hes not a good leader, yadda yadda yadda.

Me:Rose is and should be the MVP but Howard had the better individual season. Hes more important to his team because of the surrounding talent and if they both had the same records, Howard would win MVP.
You:Youre from Fl. You cheer for Dwight Howard.

From my limited experience debating with you, thats how you make your arguments.

 

[Anytime23]

The case that can be made for Dwight Howard over Derrick Rose is that he's a much better player in certain ways. But this is an argument not really worth having. Rose has won so many games for the Bulls (many more than James or Wade has for Miami, Howard for Orlando, Nowitzki for Dallas, Durant or Wesbrook for OKC, Ginobili or Parker for San Antonio, or Bryant or Gasol for L.A.). Howard has his flaws and so does Rose but it's obvious who deserves the MVP... it's Rose.

Completely agree with this. You know me, my support for Rose in the MVP case and the Bulls as a whole. Im just not cool with people completely brushing off what Howard does and making all the wrong cases against him. Dont mention FT%. Mention how his technical fouls and late game poise(or lack there of) have prevented his team from winning games. Dont tell me his shooting% is hyped because of the shot selection and difficulty. Last time i checked, games are won by who scores the most points. No one in the league creates buckets at a higher efficiency while limiting the opponents than Howard does. Thats all im gonna say on that subject.

Love Rose, cant wait for the official work to come out when he wins the MVP. He deserves it and many more awards will come for this kid.

 

[Undisputed]

No one is bent out of shape, get over yourself. I insult those who deserve it. You can assume i live where ever but dont make that a the case against my opinion because its far from the truth and completely irrelevant

I deserved to be insulted because I disagree with you and figured you were from Florida because you wrote it on your location? What a real adult attitude! Just to think you called me a child, what a laugh.

What about Shaq? His FT% never stopped him from being arguably the most dominant presence the NBA has ever seen. I dont think Howard was the MVP over Rose either but im not gonna sit around while uninformed people bash him for the wrong reasons.

When Shaq won his MVP, he did it on 29 PPG and 13 RPG. If Dwight Howard put up 25+ PPG, I wouldn't even be talking about FT%.

Bashing Dwight Howard for his free throws is legit. How am I uninformed?

 

[Undisputed]

Anytime, you really need to go back a few pages and actually read through my arguments again. You're a complete headcase, dude. I recommend everyone reading this actually goes back to better understand the argument and how pointless it really was coming from a guy who agrees with Rose being the MVP.

 

[Anytime23]

I deserved to be insulted because I disagree with you and figured you were from Florida because you wrote it on your location? What a real adult attitude! Just to think you called me a child, what a laugh.
You didnt disagree. You blew off every point i made and used my location as a knock against my opinion when in fact you know nothing about me or my loyalty for the Bulls. Thats what makes you a child. I didnt say "You live in Chicago so youre a Rose fan boy and your opinion is flawed"


When Shaq won his MVP, he did it on 29 PPG and 13 RPG. If Dwight Howard put up 25+ PPG, I wouldn't even be talking about FT%.

Bashing Dwight Howard for his free throws is legit. How am I uninformed?Youre uninformed because FT% is not a factor when a player is so dominant. I used Shaq as an example of this but there you go and twist the argument. So now a player with a poor FT% needs over 25ppg, makes perfect sense. If Howard had over 25PPG, im sure you would find some other means to downplay his season. Please keep googling Shaqs stats and try to twist your argument. Try watching games that dont take place in the UC.

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