Derrick Rose: "Thank you for trading me" "I mean, give (for giving) me another star"

[AussieBear]

I am saying it because it is correct. Face it. The inventory of "great" Bulls players is pretty small and Butler is on that team. Doesn't mean he is a superstar but he is a Bulls great. And, once again, he is only 26 years old. The guy could conceivably average 25-26 points per game next season with a Rose-less team tying up the offense. Frankly, I admire guys like Butler and Gibson who did it the right way, coming out of the shittiest hell holes in the US and getting their degrees and making a great life for themselves. Too bad others aren't in the same league as those guys.

its possible he could still progress...as you said hes 26... i wouldnt consider butler a bulls great yet.... hes had two solid seasons... put up 4-5 more..

 

[clonetrooper264]

Derrick Rose was such a misunderstood genius. I LOVED his press conferences. There was no pretense to the guy. The media had no idea how to deal with an athlete who said exactly what he was thinking. I'm not implying that Rose was always correct in his thinking, I'm saying that the media was always looking for extra layers behind Rose's comments, when there weren't any.

Rose is the ultimate professional athlete. He is all about getting paid. That is the one motivation behind all of his words and actions. People initially thought he was BJ Armstong's mouthpiece. Then they thought he was his brother's mouthpiece. They can't accept that Derrick Rose is Derrick Rose. Minimal HS education. No college education, really. No media savvy. No personality. No outside interests other than sex belts. Just a basketball player playing for money.

Less complex than Hasaan "businessman who plays basketball" Whiteside

 

[houheffna]

You don't have to be a Rose fan if you're a Bulls fan.

I told dude that 5 years ago...still hasn't registered...

 

[houheffna]

I was just stat gathering to back up my statement, and Harper was a 20 pt per game player for eight years until he joined the Bulls. Part of that was post injury, part of it was Jordan/Pippen shots.

How much would Butler score in that role with that team? But Butler is an inch taller and has better hops, more dynamic in the air. and wasn't a 20 pt player coming into the league like harper (23.3 ppg as rookie).

I just find their demeanor similar on the court, and the way they go about defending and how they move in that respect...having good handles and versatile ways to contribute scoring.

Harper and Butler's demeanors are NOTHING ALIKE!!!!!!!! Harper failed miserably when he first came to Chicago, had nothing to do with Jordan or Pippen. Pippen did everything he could to elevate Harper's game. He was a bust, a bad pickup with bad knees. When the Bulls started winning, Harper was known more for defense than offense.

Butler's game and especially his attitude are much different. Harper was considered a poor man's Jordan when healthy...Butler is more Joe Johnson than Ron Harper as far as his offensive game.

 

[houheffna]

I am saying it because it is correct. Face it. The inventory of "great" Bulls players is pretty small and Butler is on that team. Doesn't mean he is a superstar but he is a Bulls great. And, once again, he is only 26 years old. The guy could conceivably average 25-26 points per game next season with a Rose-less team tying up the offense. Frankly, I admire guys like Butler and Gibson who did it the right way, coming out of the shittiest hell holes in the US and getting their degrees and making a great life for themselves. Too bad others aren't in the same league as those guys.

What does that mean? I don't get it. Rose not having a degree means what?

 

[The Hawk]

its possible he could still progress...as you said hes 26... i wouldnt consider butler a bulls great yet.... hes had two solid seasons... put up 4-5 more..

You are right in that he does have to continue his play at the same or higher level. And health will naturally determine that. I just can't get over how bad Gar talked about him.

 

[The Hawk]

Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk View Post


I am saying it because it is correct. Face it. The inventory of "great" Bulls players is pretty small and Butler is on that team. Doesn't mean he is a superstar but he is a Bulls great. And, once again, he is only 26 years old. The guy could conceivably average 25-26 points per game next season with a Rose-less team tying up the offense. Frankly, I admire guys like Butler and Gibson who did it the right way, coming out of the shittiest hell holes in the US and getting their degrees and making a great life for themselves. Too bad others aren't in the same league as those guys.

What does that mean? I don't get it. Rose not having a degree means what?

Nothing. I just admire anyone who comes out of a bad situation like Butler and Gibson did and get their degrees while playing a major sport. Also, I do not like what college basketball has become with a kid playing one year and leaving. I don't blame the kid BTW, I just don't like the system. Hell, these kids don't even need to attend classes because they are leaving after one year anyway. It is a joke.

 

[Axl Rose]

Rose could have increased his earning power had he earned a BA from University of Memphis. He did not make a great life for himself.

hell Rose didn't even take his SAT LOL

his one mission in life was to play ball while earning millions and he accomplished that.

 

[clonetrooper264]

hell Rose didn't even take his SAT LOL

his one mission in life was to play ball while earning millions and he accomplished that.

Crucify him! Crucify him!

 

[Darkman]

I was a Bulls fan before JORDAN got here. Miss me with that. Bulls did him dirty, and bet the farm on Butler who will NOT live up to the hype.

Bulls fan will turn on him too. Watch the FO send the media to write hit pieces on him. That's what they do.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I see some definite parallels between all the shit that happened to Jordan's rivals in the late 90's/00's (Ewing and Barkley falling apart with injuries and becoming journeymen with the Magic/Rockets respectively) and now (Derrick Rose after the ass kicking LeBron James has given him whenever they've ever met and now essentially beginning that same journey himself).

It is pretty much the basketball universe balancing itself out. All the joy we experienced in the 90's and all the agony our rivals got fucked over with has been essentially reversed.

 

[houheffna]

Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk View Post


I am saying it because it is correct. Face it. The inventory of "great" Bulls players is pretty small and Butler is on that team. Doesn't mean he is a superstar but he is a Bulls great. And, once again, he is only 26 years old. The guy could conceivably average 25-26 points per game next season with a Rose-less team tying up the offense. Frankly, I admire guys like Butler and Gibson who did it the right way, coming out of the shittiest hell holes in the US and getting their degrees and making a great life for themselves. Too bad others aren't in the same league as those guys.



Nothing. I just admire anyone who comes out of a bad situation like Butler and Gibson did and get their degrees while playing a major sport. Also, I do not like what college basketball has become with a kid playing one year and leaving. I don't blame the kid BTW, I just don't like the system. Hell, these kids don't even need to attend classes because they are leaving after one year anyway. It is a joke.

I agree with you. The system is a joke and it sets Rose and people like him up for public ridicule if not failure. He is a basketball player. He should have started playing professionally at 18. Money grubbers in college had to get their hands on him for the sake of greed.

 

[NCChiFan]

No Elite player would play with Rose if he's only playing a season in 3. Where is he on the Olympic roster? Did I miss the presser where he said he was having to rest up after a hard season with injury? I haven't been happy with his play from a consistence stand point since his MVP year. Right now, in my unprofessional eye's he is a complimentary player, nothing to build a team around. He really let me down last season, showed flashes, enough to entice. Maybe a he is correct, a change in scenery is exactly what he needs.

Same with Butler, if you ask me. A very nice player, but not someone who can take over a game when he wants to.

 

[KingDarude7]

Good riddance Rose is gone

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[The Hawk]

hell Rose didn't even take his SAT LOL

his one mission in life was to play ball while earning millions and he accomplished that.

That's true and that is true of lots of NBA players. And then people wonder why so many players end up broke and busted up by drugs.

 

[stevethacreator]

That's true and that is true of lots of NBA players. And then people wonder why so many players end up broke and busted up by drugs.

Because, most of the time, these guys are still understanding the responsibilities of ONE...being an adult and TWO...learning how to invest their money instead of blowing it on houses with big mortgages and making payments on cars man. Most of these guys haven't ever had anything in their entire life. And yeah, you can kind of understand where they're coming from, because playing in the NBA is a once in a lifetime opportunity NO ONE would wanna pass up. But the parents might try and tell them to save their cash, invest in the future, but 9 times out of 10 they won't and that's just sad. Then you got your boys and extended family, and that entire situation becomes such a vicious atmosphere and athletes become numb to it.

You've got a 20 year old who foregoes college to make over $1 mil a year on a rookie contract. That's the most that kid's seen his entire life. Why would he want to stay in college for 4 years? In college ball, they breed these kids like their purebreds man, and it's a sucky life to live. I remember Jalen Rose was on a talk show, and said something what was sort of a hyperbole, but it consisted of him saying that these coaches got paid millions of dollars, to bark at these kids. And when they ask these players why they aren't playing up to their gold standard, the reason being is that they don't have enough money to help pay for their mom's insulin. And it's a sad reality we like to ignore a lot, but these guys from a young age have been bred to sacrifice a safety net just so they can try and not land on their heads in the pitfall that is the NBA and all sports in general.

 

[stevethacreator]

Sorry for the double post, but. I do not like seeing people fail (except for LeBron as vitriol as it may be) and I know you can't tell people what to do about their cash and how they spend it. But what those people close to the athletes can do is help them in the long run when it comes to finances. I'm not bitter at Derrick, to be honest, dude kept it real. Didn't like it sometimes when he spoke his mind--but hey...at least he did! Guy's been on a decline for a couple of years, had a solid year, not AMAZING, but it was solid and he got dumped. He doesn't seem bitter about it, and neither am I. I wanna see him succeed, because he was at one point one of my favorite guys to watch in the NBA. Hopefully he can get his groove back in NY, who knows man.

 

[The Hawk]

Because, most of the time, these guys are still understanding the responsibilities of ONE...being an adult and TWO...learning how to invest their money instead of blowing it on houses with big mortgages and making payments on cars man. Most of these guys haven't ever had anything in their entire life. And yeah, you can kind of understand where they're coming from, because playing in the NBA is a once in a lifetime opportunity NO ONE would wanna pass up. But the parents might try and tell them to save their cash, invest in the future, but 9 times out of 10 they won't and that's just sad. Then you got your boys and extended family, and that entire situation becomes such a vicious atmosphere and athletes become numb to it.

You've got a 20 year old who foregoes college to make over $1 mil a year on a rookie contract. That's the most that kid's seen his entire life. Why would he want to stay in college for 4 years? In college ball, they breed these kids like their purebreds man, and it's a sucky life to live. I remember Jalen Rose was on a talk show, and said something what was sort of a hyperbole, but it consisted of him saying that these coaches got paid millions of dollars, to bark at these kids. And when they ask these players why they aren't playing up to their gold standard, the reason being is that they don't have enough money to help pay for their mom's insulin. And it's a sad reality we like to ignore a lot, but these guys from a young age have been bred to sacrifice a safety net just so they can try and not land on their heads in the pitfall that is the NBA and all sports in general.

Good thoughts. I do think that most of these kids would benefit if they had to stay in school for at least two years. Right now, the system is ridiculous.

 

[The Hawk]

Sorry for the double post, but. I do not like seeing people fail (except for LeBron as vitriol as it may be) and I know you can't tell people what to do about their cash and how they spend it. But what those people close to the athletes can do is help them in the long run when it comes to finances. I'm not bitter at Derrick, to be honest, dude kept it real. Didn't like it sometimes when he spoke his mind--but hey...at least he did! Guy's been on a decline for a couple of years, had a solid year, not AMAZING, but it was solid and he got dumped. He doesn't seem bitter about it, and neither am I. I wanna see him succeed, because he was at one point one of my favorite guys to watch in the NBA. Hopefully he can get his groove back in NY, who knows man.

I'm sorry but I cannot stand how Rose has handled things. He is either incredibly dumb or incredibly selfish or both. All of this shit about his family makes me want to puke. Hell with him.

 

[stevethacreator]

I'm sorry but I cannot stand how Rose has handled things. He is either incredibly dumb or incredibly selfish or both. All of this shit about his family makes me want to puke. Hell with him.

I can understand you feeling sort of betrayed in the sense that they were going to BUILD their future around him if his knees didn't cost him his confidence and mental fortitude. I'm on the other side of the fence where, I rather he be blunt than be Jimmy Butler.