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[Axl Rose]

do you literally find a way to disagree and object every post i make? lol

we agree giving Korver away for nothing was stupid tho

 

[Diddy1122]

do you literally find a way to disagree and object every post i make? lol

we agree giving Korver away for nothing was stupid tho

Not my intention but we just happen to be polar opposites I guess haha.

 

[knoxville7]

for those of you talking about korver, tune to espn, ATL playing right now

 

[Bear Pride]

You can argue that Korver's Chicago years were his worst stretch with a team. He played "well" I suppose, but he's done better everywhere else he's played. He's played out of his mind in Atlanta. His defensive effort has always been there, but he is not, nor has he ever been a "good" defender.

Korver is very very very good...but idk about the best ever. I'm probably taking Steph Curry over him even though Korver's shooting a crazy percentage right now.

Exactly my point. His Bulls stint was definitely not his best. Being a huge Korver fan as I am, it probably wasn't all his fault. He probably was asked to do too much. He fits in with ATL cuz they have a lot of shooters. Korver's playing great cuz of this, imo.

This partly why I think McD will do well with the Bulls when he gets acclimated. If teams keep packing the paint, McD will get his shots. I'd like to see Thib's use him properly as well, which was part of the problem as well, imo.

 

[knoxville7]

Exactly my point. His Bulls stint was definitely not his best. Being a huge Korver fan as I am, it probably wasn't all his fault. He probably was asked to do too much. He fits in with ATL cuz they have a lot of shooters. Korver's playing great cuz of this, imo.

This partly why I think McD will do well with the Bulls when he gets acclimated. If teams keep packing the paint, McD will get his shots. I'd like to see Thib's use him properly as well, which was part of the problem as well, imo.

in what ways was thibs using mcd wrong? not trying to be argumentative...just not sure how thibs was using him incorrectly

 

[Axl Rose]

in what ways was thibs using mcd wrong? not trying to be argumentative...just not sure how thibs was using him incorrectly

only running him off screens

plus they were so predictable it wasn't funny

 

[clonetrooper264]

in what ways was thibs using mcd wrong? not trying to be argumentative...just not sure how thibs was using him incorrectly

By pretending he was Rip Hamilton in his prime. It's the same way they used Korver (not trying to keep bringing him up, but it is true) and it doesn't play to their strengths as shooters. Look at how Utah and Atlanta have used Korver. That is the best way to use someone as a spot up shooter.

I'd also say they need to use McDermott's post game more. He's got a good post game, why waste it if he can use it in certain matchups?

TLDR; McD is not Rip Hamilton, stop using him like he is

 

[Bear Pride]

only running him off screens

plus they were so predictable it wasn't funny

Exactly, let McD run around w/o the ball and hang at the 3 pt line, just like Korver does with ATL.

 

[knoxville7]

By pretending he was Rip Hamilton in his prime. It's the same way they used Korver (not trying to keep bringing him up, but it is true) and it doesn't play to their strengths as shooters. Look at how Utah and Atlanta have used Korver. That is the best way to use someone as a spot up shooter.

I'd also say they need to use McDermott's post game more. He's got a good post game, why waste it if he can use it in certain matchups?

TLDR; McD is not Rip Hamilton, stop using him like he is

well if thibs used korver that way too, then I wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon.

 

[clonetrooper264]

well if thibs used korver that way too, then I wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon.

This is why we say the way Thibs uses him is part of the problem

 

[knoxville7]

This is why we say the way Thibs uses him is part of the problem

im aware, I got where youre coming from. like I said, I was asking and you guys answered

 

[Diddy1122]

This is why we say the way Thibs uses him is part of the problem

Personally, I think it's waaaaaay to early to start placing blame on Thibs for a guy he's had almost no time to work with. Plus guys, he's a rookie. He's supposed to struggle when he comes into the league. All rookies do. Mirotic is an exception because he's already played professional ball at a high level for nearly a decade before entering the NBA but even he is starting to struggle now that teams are adjusting to his game.

Not trying to be a Thibs or McD apologists but I just don't think the sample size is big enough to draw these conclusions yet.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Personally, I think it's waaaaaay to early to start placing blame on Thibs for a guy he's had almost no time to work with. Plus guys, he's a rookie. He's supposed to struggle when he comes into the league. All rookies do. Mirotic is an exception because he's already played professional ball at a high level for nearly a decade before entering the NBA but even he is starting to struggle now that teams are adjusting to his game.

Not trying to be a Thibs or McD apologists but I just don't think the sample size is big enough to draw these conclusions yet.

Well I mean it's not all Thibs's fault by any stretch. In many ways McDermott screwed himself by just playing poorly. I am not expecting miracles from McDermott, but I would like him to play his way through the struggles and earn a spot where he can contribute.

 

[The Hawk]

You can argue that Korver's Chicago years were his worst stretch with a team. He played "well" I suppose, but he's done better everywhere else he's played. He's played out of his mind in Atlanta. His defensive effort has always been there, but he is not, nor has he ever been a "good" defender.

Korver is very very very good...but idk about the best ever. I'm probably taking Steph Curry over him even though Korver's shooting a crazy percentage right now.

I say that Korver improved his game under Thibs and I certainly do not agree with you that his stretch with them was his "worst" ever. He even talked about how his game improved while with the Bulls. His defensive effort was not there before.

 

[Diddy1122]

Well I mean it's not all Thibs's fault by any stretch. In many ways McDermott screwed himself by just playing poorly. I am not expecting miracles from McDermott, but I would like him to play his way through the struggles and earn a spot where he can contribute.

Oh of course. I think that's what everyone wants. He just needs to settle down and play within himself. He was often overplaying on both side of the court instead of letting the game come to him. But he's a smart kid and I'm pretty sure he'll catch on quick. And now he's active so hopefully we see him on the court soon and he will play more under control.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I say that Korver improved his game under Thibs and I certainly do not agree with you that his stretch with them was his "worst" ever. He even talked about how his game improved while with the Bulls. His defensive effort was not there before.

I didn't say he didn't improve or that he was definitely at his worst here. I said you can make the argument. Statistically, his stats in Chicago are nothing special compared to to his years with other teams.

 

[2323]

This is why we say the way Thibs uses him is part of the problem

I'm not the biggest fan of how Thibs is using the offensive pieces. In particular, the way Rose is used in certain personnel sets. He's been banging the drum of Rose penetrating and kicking it out opening up offense for others. That would be more true if it was Rose and a bunch of perimeter shooters on the floor. But when he penetrates, the defense collapses and it creates congestion that makes it hard for others to score inside often times. So it doesn't work as well when Noah, Gasol, and Butler are on the floor. I mention Butler because even though his shot has improved, I'd rather that he attacks inside where it's a higher percentage shot (his athleticism) or he can go to the line. Sometimes Roses penetrations create chaos with the defense being out of place with Gasol et al getting easy put backs. But a majority of time, it seems to just cause congestion. It also defeats the purpose and utility of having Gasol at the elbow. Having Gasol at the elbow, in theory, clears space in the paint by drawing a defender away frm the basket. Having Rose dribble the air out of the ball, penetrate, and then kick out doesn't work in most cases. If Gasol is on the floor, it would make more sense to run the offense through him at the elbow with Butler and or Rose slashing/posting up underneath. Rose would essentially be like another 2 guard in this set. I don't think it's a coincidence that as Rose has played more, Butler et al have been less productive.

 

[The Hawk]

Oh well, at least the Blackhawks have a chance.

 

[The Hawk]

Dude, what the hell are you talking about??? The Bulls are still a contender to go to the Finals. You don't need another defensive stopper, you need Derrick Rose to actually play some damn defense. I this shouldawouldacoulda bs is just that...bs.

Give me a break.

Really? have you taken a gander at their last bunch of games? They absolutely suck on defense. It is the biggest drop in defensive performance in my lifetime Gasol now is becoming exploited. Other teams now have learned that if they bang Gasol they can neutralize him. Without Noah, Gasol is on his own and he cannot handle it. And leaders lead by example and Rose sure as shit isn't leading anything defensively. I cannot remember when this guy ever gets within three feet of the other guard.

They had better like hell hope that Noah comes back at 100%. Other wise it will be another 1st round exit.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Really? have you taken a gander at their last bunch of games? They absolutely suck on defense. It is the biggest drop in defensive performance in my lifetime Gasol now is becoming exploited. Other teams now have learned that if they bang Gasol they can neutralize him. Without Noah, Gasol is on his own and he cannot handle it. And leaders lead by example and Rose sure as shit isn't leading anything defensively. I cannot remember when this guy ever gets within three feet of the other guard.

They had better like hell hope that Noah comes back at 100%. Other wise it will be another 1st round exit.

Yeah, I have seen their last bunch of games. So because they aren't playing well right now means they suck. I see. Gasol is a two-time champion, but he's not a banger. You still can't neutralize what he does offensively and under the boards. The Bulls are better because of his size and skill.