Does Derrick Rose have "it"?

[ChiSoxCity]

Michael Jordan had it... Kobe Bryant is old, but still has it... LeBron James has it...now...

Derrick Rose, eh... not so much. Put it this way, Rose has been assault with a deadly weapon, but LeBron has been cold blooded murder. That's the difference between a back-to-back champion and a guy who went to the finals once or twice and lost.

Rose needs to shed all that humility bs and "ah shucks" attitude and start murdering bums like they smacked his mama in the face and took food from his baby's mouth.

This will come with age once he starts to realize he's not just one of the guys. Then he'll start demanding more from himself and his teammates in key situations like MJ did.

 

[Bear Pride]

Did you think he'd come back from that ACL and lead the Bulls to a title? Beat LeBron?! I understand his want to take that season to better himself and in return give the Bulls a much better chance at a title this season and in the near future. Maybe his killer instinct is just a bit smarter and cautious than others. Maybe his killer instinct knew what he had to do with his body inorder to perform the way it needs to to get to the big stage. Like Lebron said, "There are different ways to kill." I think its unfair to judge a mans killer instinct on a decision he made over a serious injury. In his mind he did what he had to, in order to get this team closer to a title and I support that!

And in this case, our floor General chose to lose the battle in order to win the war!

 

[Bear Pride]

Again you confuse bona fide player with the "IT"
You also don;t know that the knee was anything but perfect much less only at 50%.
We have to take the doctors at their word. That's the only objective measure.
Players that are hurt never play 100% mentally because the injury takes some of that away.
And even healthy players aren't always mentally sharp night after night, play by play.

Kobe has come out himself and said that if it was a regular season game right now, he'd play. Kobe has "IT" Derrick doesn't as it stands today. I am not going to say who got the worst of the two injuries. I am going to say they are comparable.

How does it compare to RGIII? He was cleared by the Docs last year.

 

[Bear Pride]

Michael Jordan had it... Kobe Bryant is old, but still has it... LeBron James has it...now...

Derrick Rose, eh... not so much. Put it this way, Rose has been assault with a deadly weapon, but LeBron has been cold blooded murder. That's the difference between a back-to-back champion and a guy who went to the finals once or twice and lost.

Rose needs to shed all that humility bs and "ah shucks" attitude and start murdering bums like they smacked his mama in the face and took food from his baby's mouth.

This will come with age once he starts to realize he's not just one of the guys. Then he'll start demanding more from himself and his teammates in key situations like MJ did.

What you are describing, is the natural transformation of a player that has "IT". :shrug:

 

[brett05]

How does it compare to RGIII? He was cleared by the Docs last year.

Refresh me with details on RGIII if you don't mind.

 

[Bear Pride]

My time is too valuable to run around and educate the ignorant. Find it yourself and come back when you're smarter.

 

[brett05]

My time is too valuable to run around and educate the ignorant. Find it yourself and come back when you're smarter.

:clap:

What an opinion. Top notch!

Back to reality

 

[clonetrooper264]

Refresh me with details on RGIII if you don't mind.

I believe the gist of it was that he had a sprain in his knee and then the team reported that the doctor medically cleared him to play after 2 weeks, so he played and then he suffered that ACL/LCL tear. It also happened to be his 2nd ACL tear. A bit of controversy though because some media outlets reported after the fact that he was not actually medically cleared to play.

 

[brett05]

OK thanks.

So this one wouldn't be the same as someone that recovered from a medical injury that is sidelined 6-8 months.

 

[clonetrooper264]

OK thanks.

So this one wouldn't be the same as someone that recovered from a medical injury that is sidelined 6-8 months.

Not exactly the same, no. Though really, when are situations ever exactly the same? I do believe his point was that an athlete could be supposedly cleared medically (or recovered from a medical injury if you'd rather) and still be at an injury risk.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Now wait a moment...when we say "IT" are we talking the ability to close games or the potential for this player to be an all time great? You know...top 5 in NBA history type of great. It sort of appears like there's been a shift from the author's original statement. From what I read, having "it" meant that you could close out a game single handedly. Basically put the team on your back and win. And if that's the definition, Rose has that no doubt. We've seen him hit game winning shots and countless clutch shots. I don't doubt that this season he will continue to be that guy. Not sure how not playing for a season affects that.

 

[brett05]

Not exactly the same, no. Though really, when are situations ever exactly the same? I do believe his point was that an athlete could be supposedly cleared medically (or recovered from a medical injury if you'd rather) and still be at an injury risk.

That's the same as saying we are all day to day, isn't it?

 

[brett05]

Now wait a moment...when we say "IT" are we talking the ability to close games or the potential for this player to be an all time great? You know...top 5 in NBA history type of great. It sort of appears like there's been a shift from the author's original statement. From what I read, having "it" meant that you could close out a game single handedly. Basically put the team on your back and win. And if that's the definition, Rose has that no doubt. We've seen him hit game winning shots and countless clutch shots. I don't doubt that this season he will continue to be that guy. Not sure how not playing for a season affects that.

I see IT as TWTW. To overcome adversities. To play and win when you don't have your game that night for whatever reason (Health, Mental, etc).

 

[BullsZoneWill]

You are correct sir! That's what i meant by "it" Thanks for the read.

Now wait a moment...when we say "IT" are we talking the ability to close games or the potential for this player to be an all time great? You know...top 5 in NBA history type of great. It sort of appears like there's been a shift from the author's original statement. From what I read, having "it" meant that you could close out a game single handedly. Basically put the team on your back and win. And if that's the definition, Rose has that no doubt. We've seen him hit game winning shots and countless clutch shots. I don't doubt that this season he will continue to be that guy. Not sure how not playing for a season affects that.

 

[BullsZoneWill]

Why does it bother you so much? Did you really believe with him coming off that ACL the Bulls would beat Miami? Isn't that what its all about. Why does it bother you he was over cautious with his body, to insure he will be healthy moving forward. Bulls have a short window and Rose is now bigger, stronger and maybe faster because of his choice. How is this a bad thing?

Wasn't Deng cleared medically when he was out with the shin frature? Didnt it turn out to be broken?

Yes Rose isn't a doctor but the doctor isn't Rose. You seem bitter over a choice that Rose made to give his team a better chance moving forward, and i dont understand that.

 

[BullsZoneWill]

I'm taking a guess here, you must listen to a lot of Boers and Berstein on the score. I'm I correct in assuming this?

OK thanks.

So this one wouldn't be the same as someone that recovered from a medical injury that is sidelined 6-8 months.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I see IT as TWTW. To overcome adversities. To play and win when you don't have your game that night for whatever reason (Health, Mental, etc).

Well your definition isn't what the OP was talking about so your declaration of DRose not having "IT" by your standard isn't necessarily relevant. Now whether Rose has "IT" in your definition can be another discussion topic in itself, and it's one that you could probably win, but as far as having a "killer instinct" goes, Rose has "it" no question.

 

[brett05]

I'm taking a guess here, you must listen to a lot of Boers and Berstein on the score. I'm I correct in assuming this?

Haven't listened to them since...well, I really don't know, like 5-7 years at least and it was for all of about two days. They are awful IMO

 

[Bear Pride]

OK thanks.

So this one wouldn't be the same as someone that recovered from a medical injury that is sidelined 6-8 months.

Except for the little fact that if RGIII did NOT try to play in the playoffs last year, it might not have affected him so much this year. Instead, he played, hurt it more, and the skins got ousted against Seattle in the 1st round. And with all off season, it's still clearly affecting him, and the skins are 1 - 4.

 

[BullsZoneWill]

Great point

Except for the little fact that if RGIII did NOT try to play in the playoffs last year, it might not have affected him so much this year. Instead, he played, hurt it more, and the skins got ousted against Seattle in the 1st round. And with all off season, it's still clearly affecting him, and the skins are 1 - 4.