Does Ryan Poles suck

[SugarWalls]

You do realize they will mix personnel groups right? I don’t understand what the problem is? Sometimes you use 3wrs. Sometimes you use 2 te’s.

Oh sht are you serious? I thought the plan was to run 12 personnel the entire game and keep the same guys out there, maybe even run the same play the entire game too

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Oh sht are you serious? I thought the plan was to run 12 personnel the entire game and keep the same guys out there, maybe even run the same play the entire game too

Run the same play all season long. Just run it perfectly. Genius.

 

[TedPhillipsToupe]

I honestly dont understand some people.

You beg for ben johnson to come here, then you have zero faith when he builds his offense in his own image.

Ryan poles did not take a tight end at #10, ben johnson took him.

Your problem is thinking this is a message board for Bears fans. It’s actually just a thinly veiled troll board to hypocritically shit on everything the team does. Which is fine, but it’s not for actual discussion. Keep in mind 90% of comments are posters bitching at each other and making personal insults. Inb4 “hurrrr are we supposed to blindly like everything they do hurrr” Of course not, but this place has to be home to some of the most pathetically miserable humans on earth. There’s a difference.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

When you care about draft grades…..

Because they are more accurate than not

 

[nc0gnet0]

We have a difference of opinion on the draft. I think if you bring in the best OC to be your new HC, you have to give him the keys to formulate his own offense. I don't think that you land the candidate otherwise. Were the trenches perfectly built, would you think that Loveland and Burden were good investments?

Personally, I am struck by how flush with weapons we are. I also wanted an LT to compete, but that aint how the dice fell this time around. And I wanted Mykel Williams at 10 after Banks went right in front of us, because I want Love and Goff to take the beating that Williams had to last year. I think that the biggest thing in his favor is his handling of money. When you look to the salary tables, there isn't dead weight to accommodate for. It could be because I am so anti Pace for racking up credit card debt that he wasn't around to pay off, that I am pro Poles. Most of Poles moves are money-smart, and I am sick of money-dumb, inside and outside of football.

I want to turn pro Poles into a stripper joke but I am failing here. Someone funnier than me, please help a guy out.

I have seen a stripper dance to this, does it count?

 

[IBleedBearsBlood]

Y

Does Ryan Poles suck

Yes he doesn’t….

 

[Toast88]

What specifically did you dislike about his draft?

The 4th round pick linebacker was a headscratcher but he's a 5 star recruit and an excellent athlete.

Outside that, the first two picks were ben johnson picks(Loveland, Burden) and the other 2 2nd rounders look to be high upside tackles.

I personally love the draft so far outside of the headscratcher linebacker.

The trade down was smart too, netted back the 4th you traded for thuney. We can use that to trade for help midseason.

Get me a RB like martinez in the 5th and a safety or backup guard/DE in the 6th

Drafting 2 slot receivers with his first two picks while there are glaring holes at positions with potential studs to choose from in the draft.

Drafting the second best TE with the #10 slot.

Drafting a couple of low-ceiling “just a guy” guys in the first round and a half when you’re supposed to be drafting high ceiling guys who are usually plug and play starters.

And of course, you know, all the other shit prior to today.

Dude sucks, man. I’m glad we can finally say it without people pretending like it’s telling the Pope to go **** himself.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Packers have 79 quality wide receivers and when they take one with their 1st round pick, people are GUSHING over the pick...

Bears need a WR to replace Allen and when they draft a guy that was barely ranked behind the Packers WR drafted but 16 picks later, it somehow was not a need...

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Your problem is thinking this is a message board for Bears fans. It’s actually just a thinly veiled troll board to hypocritically shit on everything the team does. Which is fine, but it’s not for actual discussion. Keep in mind 90% of comments are posters bitching at each other and making personal insults. Inb4 “hurrrr are we supposed to blindly like everything they do hurrr” Of course not, but this place has to be home to some of the most pathetically miserable humans on earth. There’s a difference.

Can't wait for your 48th post.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I think people have a right to question the day 3 selections and trade down.

But I really don't understand what people wanted him to do at 10 after 3 potential LT were taken. You can say trade down, but who is to say he was not trying to? They are not going to admit that lol. As far as the TE goes, I would have rather had Warren but they were really close in grades. Loveland fit what they were trying to do more.

The day 2 trade with the Bills where they ended up getting 2 second rounders and swapping a 6th for a 4th was a good trade value. I don't give a **** what the trade chart says.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Rounds 4-7 you're mostly drafting traits. Witnessing people melt down over fringe starters/ special teamers is pretty funny though. There's a reason those players are taken so late. Sure you can find a diamond in the ruff here and there but it's not the norm.

 

[Probie2429]

I’m nitpicking here but if BJ is good he should be able to scheme to the roster in front of him not try to emulate what he accomplished in Detroit. Eventually the league will catch up to BJ’s scheme so is he capable of adjusting when that happens?

 

[doctorbear]

I think people have a right to question the day 3 selections and trade down.

But I really don't understand what people wanted him to do at 10 after 3 potential LT were taken. You can say trade down, but who is to say he was not trying to? They are not going to admit that lol. As far as the TE goes, I would have rather had Warren but they were really close in grades. Loveland fit what they were trying to do more.

The day 2 trade with the Bills where they ended up getting 2 second rounders and swapping a 6th for a 4th was a good trade value. I don't give a **** what the trade chart says.

And the fourth was then traded down further... what was the point? For special teams? Whatever

 

[doctorbear]

Packers have 79 quality wide receivers and when they take one with their 1st round pick, people are GUSHING over the pick...

Bears need a WR to replace Allen and when they draft a guy that was barely ranked behind the Packers WR drafted but 16 picks later, it somehow was not a need...

Packers were a playoff team two years in a row. They're ready to go dude

 

[TL1961]

Rounds 4-7 you're mostly drafting traits. Witnessing people melt down over fringe starters/ special teamers is pretty funny though. There's a reason those players are taken so late. Sure you can find a diamond in the ruff here and there but it's not the norm.

It's similar to political debates where people have preconceived notions and when they hate a guy there's nothing they'll ever say is right.

Small example - Poles acquired an all pro G in the offseason for a future 4th. Today he traded down a little in the mid rounds and recouped a 4th. Essentially Joe Thuney was acquired with this year's draft capital thanks to those two trades. But Poles "sucks at trades". Imagine clinging to the notion that the Claypool trade outweighs the trade with Carolina.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

He has been a faithful steward of money. That is his primary job, and that is several points in his favor.

I don't like all the personnel moves over the entire tenure, but the past two years have been a lot of good stuff. Especially because he brought in the hot name for offensive coaches, and paired him up with a really good DC.

I give him a B so far, and so he does not suck. Is he great? Time will tell. Does he have room to improve? Totally.

How in the **** can you give a guy with a 15-36 W-L record a B?

 

[Moses Moreno]

He's a hype merchant who's run out of benefit of doubt from me.

I just can't be invested in this dumbass outside in philosophy. The offensive and defensive lines have consistently been bad and shallow. There's no margin for error, any injury to Thuney and we're right back where we've always been with the OL and he's 33 so there's a decently high chance that something happens.

What helped enable Ben's brilliance was the excellence along the OL and the culture that Campbell created. I'm afraid based on these moves that he's going to be exposed a bit and when shit hits the fan - this team is built to implode.

I hope I'm wrong but I felt the same feeling when the Bulls fired Thibs for Hoiberg and the past decade has proven me correct.

 

[Myk]

Most of your issues are ben johnson decisions

So do you think ben johnson is an idiot?

Ryan poles paid cole kmet, Ben Johnson decided he was not good enough to be a 3rd target and got a slot WR and a slot TE.

See I liked the draft when taken as a whole.

But this is why I think Poles sucks ass. And the ass he sucks is whoever his HC is. I get that the HC/GM duo is a partnership but Poles needs to grow a pair and do his damn job.
When Flus wanted DBs with the top 2 picks it was Poles' job to say the QB needs protection.
If BJ said he wants a TE with #10 it is Poles' job to say the QB needs protection.

It doesn't matter if this draft works out or not. Now we know from 2 HCs and 2 very different early drafts for the HC this is who Poles is. It's no wonder having a defensive HC didn't work. Be prepared for the defense to suck with an offensive HC because Poles won't do his job.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Packers were a playoff team two years in a row. They're ready to go dude

Did taking a WR improve their roster this year? Is he going to be better than Watson or Doubs as a rookie? I doubt it.

 

[HearshotKDS]

If BJ said he wants a TE with #10 it is Poles' job to say the QB needs protection.

The Bears needed an upgrade at LT but I dont think they had a shot to draft one with a meaningful chance to be better the current LT. Poles did grab a decent alternative to Kiran if he hasnt improved by leaps and bounds over last year in Trapilo. Theres allegedly a decent depth piece at iOL in Bates (although im skeptical as hell) and a promising young guy in Bill Murray. I would have liked Mbow instead of that LB in the 4th but i dont think thats a super big help in '25 either way.

Bears seem the most razor thin at DE or runningback. But you can grab a D'onta Foreman level guy off the street and be OK at RB - there is no help waiting in the wings for DE; one injury to either guy right now and youre playing 30-50% snaps to a guy who was on a practice squad the week before. Thats scary to me.