Does Theo Epstein Even Have a Clue?

[Mongo_76]

Its just a matter of most just dont feel the need to whine about it on every thread and instead of constantly discussing about Theo sucks Ricketts sucks what they did or didn't do the last couple off seasons EtC ETC, we prefer to discuss what is actually going on on the field now, good and bad and discuss about their prospects good and bad.
Baseball stuff... not pissn and moaning about all things cubs every day on every thread..

Im pretty sure this is one of the few threads I've posted on the topic. And to be clear, it IS the topic of the damn thread.... No?

 

[Mongo_76]

I mean if it bothers you that much, then you might as well just step away from the game until they improve. Including discussing them on message boards. not good for the blood pressure. ....

So in other words, unless you have happy happy joy joy kumbaya things to say, don't respond to a thread asking whether I think Theo has a clue...

That the way it works here?

Circle jerk or get out?


OK here's positives about Theo:

1) He has surpassed the worst GM in the history of the team in loss percentage! YAY!!!
2) He told us he has a 2 year plan and we're now tied for the fewest wins in baseball in year 3! YAY!!!
3) He basically told us won't bring up any of his prized prospects until the stadium deal passes!!! YAY!!!
4) He mindfucked a whole generation of blister lippers to believe that Soriano's contract was the reason we were losing! YAY!!!
5) We continue to pay for Soriano to play under that contract successfully - for another team!! YAY!!!
6) Ex players who were dumped by our GM are now on successful teams are consoling our current players - telling them to keep playing hard to be valuable for a trade!!! YAY!!!


He's my hero...

 

[Boobaby1]

No one really disagreeing that as a fan it doesn't suck to watch them purposely lose games to do what their doing.

Its just a matter of most just dont feel the need to whine about it on every thread and instead of constantly discussing about Theo sucks Ricketts sucks what they did or didn't do the last couple off seasons EtC ETC, we prefer to discuss what is actually going on on the field now, good and bad and discuss about their prospects good and bad.
Baseball stuff... not pissn and moaning about all things cubs every day on every thread..

Sure were pissed by the losing but their other things to discuss instead if just constantly complaining.
I mean if it bothers you that much, then you might as well just step away from the game until they improve. Including discussing them on message boards. not good for the blood pressure. ....



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Here's the thing though Chi55, you had stated about talking about the good as well as the bad. From my perspective (not saying you), I don't see too much talked about the bad. Sure, a splash here or there about Barney sucking. Maybe a Veras blown save or as sometimes referenced...the blowpen. Villanueva is as good as a loss.....and so on. The pure negativists have been banned. How much could possibly be left?

If it were balanced out a little more equally, it might be a more palateable discussion. I mean, the Cubs have the 2nd worse record in baseball. How much positive talk can there actually be?

 

[chibears55]

Im pretty sure this is one of the few threads I've posted on the topic. And to be clear, it IS the topic of the damn thread.... No?

Wasn't talking about you specifically

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[beckdawg]

Here's the thing though Chi55, you had stated about talking about the good as well as the bad. From my perspective (not saying you), I don't see too much talked about the bad. Sure, a splash here or there about Barney sucking. Maybe a Veras blown save or as sometimes referenced...the blowpen. Villanueva is as good as a loss.....and so on. The pure negativists have been banned. How much could possibly be left?

If it were balanced out a little more equally, it might be a more palateable discussion. I mean, the Cubs have the 2nd worse record in baseball. How much positive talk can there actually be?

Perhaps you're not reading the IST? I've seen numerous people the typical vocal negative people would call homers or whatever term you prefer talk about How crappy the outfield has been save for Bonifacio. I've seen people talk about how shit Jackson and Veras have been. I mean how much more is there to ***** about? The top 3 starters have been pretty good. Villanueva is a bullpen arm who was forced into the rotation because of an injury. Russel has been kinda crappy too but the rest of the bullpen has actually pitched good to excellent between Grimm, Rondo, Wesley Wright and Rosscup. Rizzo, Castro and Bonifacio have all been good. Kalish was shit to start the year but has been solid as of late. Castillo similarly was shit and is starting to turn things around.

The reality is a lot of the individual players are playing well but as a team they aren't putting it all together. In 25 games they have a -14 run diff. That's a half run a game they are down which goes to show you that while yes they have a terrible record they aren't getting destroyed. They are losing a lot of close games. For example they are 1-5 in 1 run games. They desperately need another bat or two and Alcantara and Baez really can't get tot he majors soon enough. If those two come up next month and play well they really could be a .450ish win percent team which would still put them on pace for 70 wins. Maybe they blow it all up and trade hammel shark and anything else of value. And if they do, shame on them.

 

[chibears55]

Here's the thing though Chi55, you had stated about talking about the good as well as the bad. From my perspective (not saying you), I don't see too much talked about the bad. Sure, a splash here or there about Barney sucking. Maybe a Veras blown save or as sometimes referenced...the blowpen. Villanueva is as good as a loss.....and so on. The pure negativists have been banned. How much could possibly be left?

If it were balanced out a little more equally, it might be a more palateable discussion. I mean, the Cubs have the 2nd worse record in baseball. How much positive talk can there actually be?

How much more of the bad can you discuss ? Weve been discussing and hearing about the bad since ST.. we know who suck, we know about payroll being low, we know the team in itself is bad..
I mean how many times do we need to discuss the same things over and over..
Everything you mentioned above had been discussed and spread around on every thread since ST...
How much more do you need to hear about barney sucking, veras blows, ian Stewart, not getting princem etc etc etc etc..

Time to move forward and discuss what going on now and discuss the good and bad from this game forward.
Try and take some positive out of what were seeing from rizzo castro Castillo etc etc

Sure we can discuss how pathetic it is to continue seeing them platoon with sweeney or how bad a start olt and Schierholtz are having.

time to start finding new things to discuss...

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[Boobaby1]

How much more of the bad can you discuss ? Weve been discussing and hearing about the bad since ST.. we know who suck, we know about payroll being low, we know the team in itself is bad..
I mean how many times do we need to discuss the same things over and over..
Everything you mentioned above had been discussed and spread around on every thread since ST...
How much more do you need to hear about barney sucking, veras blows, ian Stewart, not getting princem etc etc etc etc..

Time to move forward and discuss what going on now and discuss the good and bad from this game forward.
Try and take some positive out of what were seeing from rizzo castro Castillo etc etc

Sure we can discuss how pathetic it is to continue seeing them platoon with sweeney or how bad a start olt and Schierholtz are having.

time to start finding new things to discuss...

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Okay! I get it. From now on we should just create one thread only. We will call it "The five guys who will be around after next year".

I will even let you pick the five between Rizzo, Castro, Shark, Wood, E-Jax, Hammel, Arrieta, and Castillo. Anything past that, and you are really grasping at straws.

From that thread, we can litter all of the positive things about how well they are doing at the parent level, and what prospects will soon be joining the illusive club because they are tearing up AA and AAA ball.

And meanwhile, back at the ranch, because the Cubs only have those 5 guys, they will once again muster up less than 65 wins a year, and get another top 5 pick in the upcoming draft. And if you think another sell-off isn't coming, you better brace yourself.

In all honesty, I hope Shark and Wood do get traded. Then that will be the end of all the Cubs assets and we won't have to hear about it anymore.

They are able to get a top 5 pick with them. Trade them, load up the farm even more, and get the #1 pick next year. Why not aim high?

If I am going with prospects and youth only, I would go "balls to the wall" with it. :yep:

 

[chibears55]

Okay! I get it. From now on we should just create one thread only. We will call it "The five guys who will be around after next year".

I will even let you pick the five between Rizzo, Castro, Shark, Wood, E-Jax, Hammel, Arrieta, and Castillo. Anything past that, and you are really grasping at straws.

From that thread, we can litter all of the positive things about how well they are doing at the parent level, and what prospects will soon be joining the illusive club because they are tearing up AA and AAA ball.

And meanwhile, back at the ranch, because the Cubs only have those 5 guys, they will once again muster up less than 65 wins a year, and get another top 5 pick in the upcoming draft. And if you think another sell-off isn't coming, you better brace yourself.

In all honesty, I hope Shark and Wood do get traded. Then that will be the end of all the Cubs assets and we won't have to hear about it anymore.

They are able to get a top 5 pick with them. Trade them, load up the farm even more, and get the #1 pick next year. Why not aim high?

If I am going with prospects and youth only, I would go "balls to the wall" with it. :yep:

See.. now your just spouting off stuff that wasn't even said. .
Point was just about every thread no matter the topic or topics are made like this one always ends up with a couple of posters oissn and moaning about the same garbage about Ricketts epstein certain players and how awful the team is..
Talking about that stuff every day on every thread is getting old and stale..
Time to move on and discuss what they have going on moving forward. ...

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[MRubio52]

I didn't know you were so well connected.

*cough* Bullshit *cough*

I write at baseball prospectus


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[MRubio52]

Then you would think that he would know to avoid writing about the future in absolutes as if they are already facts.

You're arguing semantics here. I have the strong opinion that Baez will be fine and I'm not going to back off of that.

If you want to interpret opinions as stone facts then I would turn a harsher eye on what you've written.

You speak as though all prospects are lottery tickets and present it as fact. That is not the case.


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[Mongo_76]

You're arguing semantics here.

No, I'm not. I'm arguing that you cannot predict the future. So talking in absolutes hurts your credibility. Even if you write for an online site that seems to be a devout votary of sabermetrics.

I have the strong opinion that Baez will be fine and I'm not going to back off of that.

Then that was what you should have written, no?

You see, I think he's going to be a star as well.

My point wasn't to take a dump on the guy. My point was that he is currently underachieving. So even though I feel he has nowhere but up to go, I can't say with absolute certainty that he will. Selected via Sabermetrics says he will or not. He's not a guarantee.

 

[Mongo_76]

If you want to interpret opinions as stone facts then I would turn a harsher eye on what you've written.

Turn any eye on what I write all you want.

Just please stop writing opinions about the future as facts and I'll stop questioning them...

 

[Parade_Rain]

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4) He mindfucked a whole generation of blister lippers to believe that Soriano's contract was the reason we were losing! YAY!!!

Slurper is a lot easier to read than "blister lipper" TBH. Try reading each 5 times, very fast.

 

[MRubio52]

No, I'm not. I'm arguing that you cannot predict the future. So talking in absolutes hurts your credibility. Even if you write for an online site that seems to be a devout votary of sabermetrics.



Then that was what you should have written, no?

You see, I think he's going to be a star as well.

My point wasn't to take a dump on the guy. My point was that he is currently underachieving. So even though I feel he has nowhere but up to go, I can't say with absolute certainty that he will. Selected via Sabermetrics says he will or not. He's not a guarantee.

"Fine" isn't an absolute.

Fine is perfectly open to interpretation.


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[MRubio52]

Turn any eye on what I write all you want.

Just please stop writing opinions about the future as facts and I'll stop questioning them...

You've pointed out one instance in which I used an open ended modifier.




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[JosMin]

"Fine" isn't an absolute.

Fine is perfectly open to interpretation.


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You're fine <3

 

[BearsFan51]

So four pages worth of posts and not one answer as to who in the **** is going to pitch for the Cubs when their "future stars" come up in the next two to three years?

No one has done a better job of pushing back the timeline better than Theo.

I also enjoy reading all the credit Theo deserves for bringing in proven talent while in Boston.

So the basic argument I received in return was the Cubs have minor league depth, no pitching and Theo brought in proven players and won in Boston, the same argument I'll here next year and the year after that. Enjoy that Cubs fans though I'm certain. You've grown accustomed to it the last 106 years.

 

[R_Mac_1]

You blog about baseball too?!

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[Raskolnikov]

no....if you want to re-create the Epstein magic in Boston you need to hire a Cubs fan to run the cubs, not Theo Epstein. He has been terrible, and this team is still doomed for at least 5 years.

 

[diavolos]

no....if you want to re-create the Epstein magic in Boston you need to hire a Cubs fan to run the cubs, not Theo Epstein. He has been terrible, and this team is still doomed for at least 5 years.

200 million to spend on payroll each year also helps. just sayin'...