Every Fields sack against Green Bay, for the “geniuses” that are saying that he “held onto the ball to long”

[Myk]

How many of the 370pass attempt did the OL go in opposite directions?

How many of the 370 pass attempts were sacks? 0%?
Oh wow. I can make up pea brain justifications too.

Look it's obvious you want to blame one player for everything not have real football talk. Go watch tennis or golf so you only have to think about one player at a time.

 

[Myk]

Justin Fields has the highest time to pass in the NFL.

That is an average not a real thing. It's a made up PFF stat. It certainly doesn't pass the eye test in that last game.
100000 1 second screen passes for a loss and 1 7 second 70yd TD pass isn't going to win you anything. That is all that average is saying.

Now if you want to claim Fields can't process Getsy's screen passes fast enough for Getsy's game plan than wouldn't it make sense that Fields would be gone and Getsy staying? We do have the #1 pick you know.
All signs point to them sticking with Fields. So doesn't that mean Fields is not the problem you think he is?

 

[didshereallysaythat]

That is an average not a real thing. It's a made up PFF stat. It certainly doesn't pass the eye test in that last game.
100000 1 second screen passes for a loss and 1 7 second 70yd TD pass isn't going to win you anything. That is all that average is saying.

Now if you want to claim Fields can't process Getsy's screen passes fast enough for Getsy's game plan than wouldn't it make sense that Fields would be gone and Getsy staying? We do have the #1 pick you know.
All signs point to them sticking with Fields. So doesn't that mean Fields is not the problem you think he is?

Except all signs do not point to Fields staying at all. I don't know why people keep saying this. Teams have kept a coach and drafted a QB to start all the time. It's not the preferred method by any means but it happens a lot. Furthermore, they are going to have a brand new offensive system in place next year and that will be the case whether they keep Fields or not.

 

[Myk]

Except all signs do not point to Fields staying at all. I don't know why people keep saying this. Teams have kept a coach and drafted a QB to start all the time. It's not the preferred method by any means but it happens a lot. Furthermore, they are going to have a brand new offensive system in place next year and that will be the case whether they keep Fields or not.

Uhh, because Poles basically said it would have to be a god with no risk for him to draft a QB???

But you keep holding out hope until May 3rd when they pick up the 5th. Offseason hope is all Bears fans ever have.

 

[mbison]

Yep. Switch Fields with Lawerence today. How would he look? Probably worse

If Lawrence were on the Bears the Bears would be in the playoffs this year. Lawrence lead his team to the playoffs last year and a playoff victory

Fields has lead the bears no where and raised no one’s level of play

Fields is also the worst 4th quarter QB in the league. That is why we missed the playoffs

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Uhh, because Poles basically said it would have to be a god with no risk for him to draft a QB???

But you keep holding out hope until May 3rd when they pick up the 5th. Offseason hope is all Bears fans ever have.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1745191130507952348

He didn't phrase it like this last year.

And the 5th year option is after the draft lol. I think we will know on April 25th.

 

[dbldrew]

How many of the 370 pass attempts were sacks? 0%?
Oh wow. I can make up pea brain justifications too.

Look it's obvious you want to blame one player for everything not have real football talk. Go watch tennis or golf so you only have to think about one player at a time.

You realize that the OL can make a mistake and the QB can still get a play off correct? Although we are talking Fields here so yeah you are probably right lol

So how many of his 44 sacks did the OL go in the wrong direction?

 

[Myk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1745191130507952348

He didn't phrase it like this last year.

And the 5th year option is after the draft lol. I think we will know on April 25th.

Well the 5th is going to suck because that says it's for 2 years.

 

[remydat]

I'm not talking about a specific play, but the whole year, are you saying every sack that Fields took the online when in 2 different directions? Your reply is strange.

Let me make it simple

Fields was sacked a lot.

The entire offense coaching staff got fired but the OL coach was not.

Why?

Either the OL coach is terrible but Flus is also an idiot and kept him

OR

Most of the OL troubles are caused by Fields so that's why the OL coach was kept .

OR

Both can be true

Or some of the OL suck which isnt Morgan's fault.

Or they dealt with a lot of injuries/absences on the OL including being down to their 3rd string C.

Jones clearly improved, Jenkins continues to settle in, and Wright had a decent rookie season. Their development speaks to coaching.

The problem on the OL was the vet players which is likely less about coaching. Whitehair, Patrick, Feeny and Davis sucked.

 

[dbldrew]

Or some of the OL suck which isnt Morgan's fault.

Or they dealt with a lot of injuries/absences on the OL including being down to their 3rd string C.

Jones clearly improved, Jenkins continues to settle in, and Wright had a decent rookie season. Their development speaks to coaching.

The problem on the OL was the vet players which is likely less about coaching. Whitehair, Patrick, Feeny and Davis sucked.

How much of the OL sucking is due to the QB holding onto the ball too long?

 

[remydat]

How much of the OL sucking is due to the QB holding onto the ball too long?

PFF grades account for that. Hence why Jenkins, Wright and Jones still had decent grades despite the sacks. Patrick, Davis and Patrick had shit pass blocking grades because they sucked indepedent of Fields or the coaches.

Like this isnt complicated. Patrick's pass blocking grade was 41. Feeny was 45, Davis was 48 and Whitehair was 55.

By contrast Wright was 62, Jenkins was 68 and Jones was 70.

You cant really blame the coaching or Fields when the 3 youngest guys on the line are grading out better than seasoned vets. In that scenario it is obvious the issue is with the players.

 

[dbldrew]

PFF grades account for that. Hence why Jenkins, Wright and Jones still had decent grades despite the sacks. Patrick, Davis and Patrick had shit pass blocking grades because they sucked indepedent of Fields or the coaches.

Like this isnt complicated. Patrick's pass blocking grade was 41. Feeny was 45, Davis was 48 and Whitehair was 55.

By contrast Wright was 62, Jenkins was 68 and Jones was 70.

You cant really blame the coaching or Fields when the 3 youngest guys on the line are grading out better than seasoned vets. In that scenario it is obvious the issue is with the players.

Yet holding a block for 2.5 seconds our OL is ranked very high, which is why the OL looked so much better when Bagent was playing vs Fields.

One QB holds the ball forever (one of the worst in the league) the other gets rid of it quickly

So that points to Fields making the OL look much worse then they are.

 

[Myk]

How much of the OL sucking is due to the QB holding onto the ball too long?

You are really trying to fight realizing this whole organization sucks by design of the owners.

Just keep blaming the one player. Maybe another 44 QBs and 38 years will fix it.

 

[remydat]

Yet holding a block for 2.5 seconds our OL is ranked very high, which is why the OL looked so much better when Bagent was playing vs Fields.

One QB holds the ball forever (one of the worst in the league) the other gets rid of it quickly

So that points to Fields making the OL look much worse then they are.

Only 3 QBs have an average time to throw 2.5 seconds or less. It is an arbitrary number picked by ESPN. Bagent's time to throw was 2.91 which is still high.

In addition, the Bears offense by design has longer developing plays as Fields is better throwing deep or intermediate. So 2.5 seconds again is arbitrary and does not take into account that different offenses require the OL to block for different periods of time. This offense doenst have a lot of 3 step drops.

So you are running from the truth. Within the offense that Chicago runs Chris Morgan developed the 3 younger players and they were able to hold their blocks for the time this offense requires more often than note. The problem is the older verterans simply did not play well.

 

[dbldrew]

Only 3 QBs have an average time to throw 2.5 seconds or less. It is an arbitrary number picked by ESPN. Bagent's time to throw was 2.91 which is still high.

In addition, the Bears offense by design has longer developing plays as Fields is better throwing deep or intermediate. So 2.5 seconds again is arbitrary and does not take into account that different offenses require the OL to block for different periods of time. This offense doenst have a lot of 3 step drops.

So you are running from the truth. Within the offense that Chicago runs Chris Morgan developed the 3 younger players and they were able to hold their blocks for the time this offense requires more often than note. The problem is the older verterans simply did not play well.

The 2.5 metric is not to the QB but just when they are past the OL. Would be closer to 2.7, 2.8 or so to the QB

Fields is slow to process this is a fact of who he is and what he has done for 3 years, and he is also one of the longest at holding the ball, again he has done this his whole career

 

[msadows]

@dbldrew, how was your cuddle session with tyler bagent?

 

[Calabis]

If Lawrence were on the Bears the Bears would be in the playoffs this year. Lawrence lead his team to the playoffs last year and a playoff victory

Fields has lead the bears no where and raised no one’s level of play

Fields is also the worst 4th quarter QB in the league. That is why we missed the playoffs

Wtf did I just read? Lawrence has a team built around him with a SB winning staff and he didn't make the playoffs with a better team....dude lost to the Titans when it was in or out for playoffs.

Also they had the 12th rated defense last year....so somewhere in ur head...he would have made it with the 22nd, 32nd or 20th rated defense...oh wait he couldn't make playoffs with the 17th rated defense and more offensive weapons in 2022 lol

 

[dbldrew]

@dbldrew, how was your cuddle session with tyler bagent?

How was your AA meeting? Did you get drunk and skip it again?

 

[dbldrew]

That is an average not a real thing. It's a made up PFF stat. It certainly doesn't pass the eye test in that last game.
100000 1 second screen passes for a loss and 1 7 second 70yd TD pass isn't going to win you anything. That is all that average is saying.

Now if you want to claim Fields can't process Getsy's screen passes fast enough for Getsy's game plan than wouldn't it make sense that Fields would be gone and Getsy staying? We do have the #1 pick you know.
All signs point to them sticking with Fields. So doesn't that mean Fields is not the problem you think he is?

His time to throw is not a made up stat, it's an official NFL next Gen stat and Fields is the worst in the NFL with 3.23 seconds to throw

 

[remydat]

The 2.5 metric is not to the QB but just when they are past the OL. Would be closer to 2.7, 2.8 or so to the QB

Fields is slow to process this is a fact of who he is and what he has done for 3 years, and he is also one of the longest at holding the ball, again he has done this his whole career

No it depends on how close the OL and defender are to the QB. Again it is arbitrary because differ offenses have different timing as to how long an OL needs to block based on the depth of the routes.

The fact Fields is slow to process doesnt change the fact those players sucked this year. PFF already has data that assigns pressures to the OL vs the QB and so again their grades already take into account if a sack or pressure was the QBs fault.

PFF deemed Fields responsible for 17.6% of his pressures. That is 9th highest in the league but lower than Hurts, Mahomes, Jackson and Allen who are at 22.2, 21.5, 21, and 20.4 respectively. So the reality is that even the best mobile QBs tend to give up more pressures because they all have a tendency to want to hold the ball looking for bigger players. There is nothing unusual about Fields rate of causing his own pressures.

So the point is once you remove pressures that were Fields fault, those vet players still sucked at their jobs. There is no way to blame that on Fields. So stop being biased. Those guys are grown men responsible for their own failures. Stop trying to scapegoat Fields for everything.